War declared on Tea Party

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Quadrivium

 

The first amendment states this:

"The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed."

I believe that teaching any religion in public school would infringe on this right.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

This is more important. If we allowed only Christian teaching in public schools, it would clearly violate this clause.

edit on 30-8-2011 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)

I asked that as you read, you keep in mind that the constitution was written to protect the people, not the government.
Lets look at your first article. APPLY THIS TO WHAT THE ACLU DOES TO ANYTHING CHRISTIAN. They have twisted the constitution. It is no longer about protecting the people. But the government.
Your second article: It's not congress we need worry about as of yet. It's the liberal progressive supreme court judges that constantly rape the constitution.
Separation of Church and State does not exist in the Constitution.
ETA_ I didn't say religion should be taught in schools, but if they want to pray, let them.
ETA_ Need to bring this back on topic.
Why did you try and quote Jesus? Was it because of my avatar? Did you think I would embrace everything "welfare" by asking "what would Jesus do?"

reply to post by beezzer


Cool story black dude.

Enjoy the death of the black caucus.

Originally posted by beezzer

We are at war. A scruffy little grass-roots movement, just wanting smaller government and a return to personal responsibility.
We don't want big government. We don't need program after program after program. Personal responsibility. To yourself, to your family.

An analogy I like to use is this; imagine a person with a broken leg.

The Tea Party would like to see the person go to physical therapy, use crutches, a cane, then walk on their own. It'd be painful. But the patient would learn to walk again, and become self-reliant.

The progressives want to give the person a wheelchair (bought by someone else). They don't want the person to go through the painful process of rehabilitation. They want that person to stay in the wheelchair until the legs have atrophied to a point where they CAN'T leave the wheelchair. They want that person to be dependent. They want that person to NEED them.

Therefore, the war. They will fight for every needy person, every dependent person, because without them, their own existence can't be justified.

Just my take on it.

Yours?

edit on 30-8-2011 by beezzer because: e

yea there's a war going on alright. and over the course of the next 5 years in ought to be pretty entertaining to watch.

the Republican Party is at war with itself.

so you got the Republican Party on one side, and Tea Party Republicans on the other side, each pulling in opposite directions. and as the Tea Party gains more Power, and becomes ever more populated with the kooks, the Republican Party will become ever more splintered and diluted.

and then you got the Democrates and Independents and NOW and NAACP all on the sidelines stoking the fire.

yea there's a war going on. can't wait to see if they can somehow put together a coherent plan with all those mouthpieces out there flapping.

reply to post by Tsurugi


So when signs like these..






appear at rallies why do the speakers not say anything, why don't the address it. I'm not going as far to say that every Tea Party member or supporter is racist, I'm saying it's tolerated. Why is this tolerated?

Why is no one that's quoting me, answering any of the other issues I raised? Why is corporate welfare ok but welfare for those that are low income or no income is just a bunch of people wanting hand-outs? Why is the Tea Party so against raising corporate taxes and taxes on people who make more than 250K/year but are perfectly ok with raising taxes on the middle and lower classes. I say again...if you don't want social programs tell the people you want in office that they need to bring our jobs home.

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reply to post by lkpuede


I have no problem with the death of those organizations. Though I'd keep the ACLU for old time sake

reply to post by Kali74


Probably because most of them aren't really racist, nor are they really that popular. I've not seen these before.

I said this a while ago. I think you've all forgotten what racism is. Racism is putting down someone for their skin color or something like that, while at the same time putting you above them. Making fun of someone because he's black or looks like a monkey is not racist. It is cynical and offensive. Saying you are better than him because you are white, is racist.

Here are 27 of the 100 things that Republicans and the Tea Party do not like to hear...

1. A Socialist wrote the Pledge of Allegiance.
2. Jesus healed the sick and helped the poor, for free.
3. Joseph McCarthy was an un-American, witch hunting sissy.
4. Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee were traitors.
5. The South lost the Civil War, get over it.
6. The Founding Fathers were liberals.
7. Fascism is a right-wing trait.
8. Sarah Palin is an ugly cow.
9. The Earth is round.
10. Reagan raised taxes eleven times as President.
11. Reagan legalized abortion as Governor of California.
12. Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency.
13. Ronald Reagan supported gun control.
14. Global warming is real.
15. Republicans hate illegal immigrants, unless they need their lawns mowed or their houses cleaned.
16. The military is a government-run institution, so why do Republicans approve the defense budget?
17. The Cold War is over and the Soviet Union no longer exists.
18. Paying taxes is patriotic.
19. Republicans: Peddling the same failed economic policies since 1880.
20. The Republican Party began as a liberal party.
21. The Presidents’ full name is Barack Hussein Obama and he was born in the United States of America.
22. George W. Bush held hands with the King of Saudi Arabia.
23. President Obama saved the American auto industry, while Republicans wanted to destroy it.
24. Hate is not a Christian virtue.
25. Jesus was a liberal.
26. Republicans spend MORE money than Democrats.
27. Tea parties are for little girls.

There are more and most are true or hold a grain of truth. The rest you can find here: www.thomhartmann.com...

I would hope that the TP actually does get someone in the White House but if they could make any real change would remain to be seen.
The thing I think MUST be dealt with is the Food Stamp program. I stood in line behind a lady yesterday buying 4 bags of chips, 2 packs of Star burst, and 3 sodas and out popped the Lone Star card. $15.00 of my taxes buying that crap! And to add insult to injury, she walked out to the pumps and hopped in to a 2011 Mustang GT with the dealer plate still on it!
How the hell can someone on food stamps afford a $700.00+ car payment but not be able to buy junk food with cash? Im not jealous, just floored.My wife and I both work and we have to buy a 2006 vehicle to fit in with our budget, but here is someone who would appear to the State to need assistance because of low income driving a showroom model.
This is the kind of reform we need first!

Link: U. S. Constitution

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Since I see many people paraphrasing the first amendment, without actually looking at it, I thought it would be wise to post the exact wording.

What the first amendment means is rather simple - (1) Government cannot force people into a religion, nor can they prohibit people from establishing religion. (2) Government cannot pass laws in favor or against religion.

The BIG mess people do not understand: It does not say, "Someone under the influence of their morals (religion influenced) cannot participate in government, nor are they allowed to establish laws based upon those ideologies."

-- ADDED AFTER STAR --

Psychology time...
When an individual grows from baby to young adult, he or she will establish norms and morals based upon external influences. Some of those external influences include parents, teachers, cops, religion, and peers. Once the individual reaches young adulthood, he or she will build and adapt aspects of those early influences to themselves. If the individual was heavily influenced by religion, the morals he or she will establish in adulthood will carry religious traits.

Even though an individual will make laws based upon religious ideologies, he or she is actually making them based upon an adapted set established in adulthood. Religious ideology becomes individual ideology.

reply to post by Gorman91


Well I don't think anyone is going to carry around a sign that blatantly reads "I'm a racist" or "I don't like the President because he's black".

reply to post by beezzer


You saw this? Interesting site with lots of great information, if you can stomach it.
"TEA PARTY NUTS EXPOSED" teapartynuts.org...

Tea Party Protesters…

Where were you when Worst President Ever BUSH Stole the Presidency in 2000 and in 2004?

BUSH was NOT elected by the people by popular vote….
Al Gore actually had more popular votes than Bush.
Tea Party Protestors DID NOTHING!

Prior to BUSH being INSTALLED as president by the Supreme court, who refused to let the Florida votes be recounted, BUSH was caught on a video BRAGGING how he will win the State of Florida and stated to a reporter ‘YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!” (you can see this in the movie Fahrenheit 9/11)

That is because he already knew the votes would be RIGGED by Brother Jeb Bush and Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris.

How? By throwing out and removing thousands of votes in Black Neighborhoods.

One Million Black Votes Didn't Count in the 2000 Presidential Election It's not too hard to get your vote lost -- if some politicians want it to be lost www.commondreams.org...

Tea Party = mental religious nuts. Sad but unfortunately mental.

Another sad thing is that here in australia we have a group of people forming calling themselves a tea party. I think these head cases maybe even crazier than the American head cases.

For the record I am neither left nor right with my political views. Both sides value add and subtract in their own ways (though more often than not their prominent points are on the negative).

Here is where it all got started... it just continued to ratchet up the hatred, and add a little money from corporate interests, until voila... there's YOUR TEA PARTY!

reply to post by Kali74


Then you can't say those people are racist. In as much as a group of people will imitate stereotypes of the cultures within the group, this really isn't provable beyond that. We called Bush just as many names. Doesn't make us racist.

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by beezzer

 

You saw this? Interesting site with lots of great information, if you can stomach it.
"TEA PARTY NUTS EXPOSED" teapartynuts.org...

Tea Party Protesters…

Where were you when Worst President Ever BUSH Stole the Presidency in 2000 and in 2004?

BUSH was NOT elected by the people by popular vote….
Al Gore actually had more popular votes than Bush.
Tea Party Protestors DID NOTHING!

Prior to BUSH being INSTALLED as president by the Supreme court, who refused to let the Florida votes be recounted, BUSH was caught on a video BRAGGING how he will win the State of Florida and stated to a reporter ‘YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!” (you can see this in the movie Fahrenheit 9/11)

That is because he already knew the votes would be RIGGED by Brother Jeb Bush and Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris.

How? By throwing out and removing thousands of votes in Black Neighborhoods.

One Million Black Votes Didn't Count in the 2000 Presidential Election It's not too hard to get your vote lost -- if some politicians want it to be lost www.commondreams.org...

edit on 31-8-2011 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)

just a little news flash for ya. no president was ever elected by popular vote. We The People do not elect the President. The President is elected by the Electorial College. sometimes they go with the popular vote, sometimes they don't.

i can't beleive how many people flap they gums about shyt they don't even know about.

guess it's just another day at ATS.

reply to post by Gorman91


I can and will call people that carry around signs like I linked racist, because they are. Are you defending them or just arguing semantics? Again, the other issues I raised?

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by beezzer

 

You saw this? Interesting site with lots of great information, if you can stomach it.
"TEA PARTY NUTS EXPOSED" teapartynuts.org...

Tea Party Protesters…

Where were you when Worst President Ever BUSH Stole the Presidency in 2000 and in 2004?

BUSH was NOT elected by the people by popular vote….
Al Gore actually had more popular votes than Bush.
Tea Party Protestors DID NOTHING!

Prior to BUSH being INSTALLED as president by the Supreme court, who refused to let the Florida votes be recounted, BUSH was caught on a video BRAGGING how he will win the State of Florida and stated to a reporter ‘YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!” (you can see this in the movie Fahrenheit 9/11)

That is because he already knew the votes would be RIGGED by Brother Jeb Bush and Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris.

How? By throwing out and removing thousands of votes in Black Neighborhoods.

One Million Black Votes Didn't Count in the 2000 Presidential Election It's not too hard to get your vote lost -- if some politicians want it to be lost www.commondreams.org...

edit on 31-8-2011 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)

and while we are on the topic of the Presidency, you might be rather surpised to learn that there were 14 presidents before the 1st president, George Washington.

just sayin...

Tea Party is for the rich. In the end of this you will see how de-regulations Tea Party is pushing for helps the wealthy increase their coffers. One man stole millions and pushes toxic chemicals and although he got a small fine he is a a veritable hero among a certain small group of elite money makers, drug pushers and oil producers.

reply to post by lkpuede


14 presidents before the first President GW?
I don't follow you. That post hoped to referenced how the elections were stolen from THE PEOPLE and where was the TEA PARTY then? I mean if you are going to put your own man in there, elected or not is that even called Socialism? No I think that is a Dictatorship. This is what we had and this is what they want again. This is how it happened. I live in FL I remember the news story of a brand new machine having 50,000 votes on it already before it was used the first time. That voting booth had to be closed because one of the first VOTERS caught it. FL had all just been issued new voting machines. Supreme Court said no recount. Suspicious? God no.