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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 02:40 AM
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The tea party declared war on America along time ago. They want "*their* country back", screw everyone else. Not only did they declare war on America, they declared war on rational discourse. It is a terrible populist movement which is now fueled by big money and given their talking points by the plutocracy hell bent on hoarding even more wealth.

www.nytimes.com...




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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by Eavel
You are a man or woman based on your actions. I completely agree that people need to get the silver spoon out of their mouth and try to stand on their own accord.

As long as we have this "entitlement movement" we will NEVER move away from social programming and deficit. socialism is and always will fail.

The tea party came under fire instantly as these political monsters we have in office do not even use the law to govern us and manipulate us. They dont even listen to us, democracy was out the window 20 years ago!



Yes indeed Democracy was, and who was your President 20 years ago?




George Herbert Walker Bush (born June 12, 1924) is an American politician who served as the 41st President of the United States (1989–93). He had previously served as the 43rd Vice President (1981–89), a congressman, an ambassador, and Director of Central Intelligence.
Bush was born in Milton, Massachusetts, to Senator Prescott Bush and Dorothy Walker Bush.
Following the attacks on Pearl Harbor in 1941, at the age of 18, Bush postponed going to college and became the youngest aviator in the US Navy at the time. He served until the end of the war, then attended Yale University. Graduating in 1948, he moved his family to West Texas and entered the oil business, becoming a millionaire by the age of 40.

A silver spoon and very oily.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 02:44 AM
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One of the things the Democrat Party has done very successfully is to convince many disenfranchised people, minorities, and lower and middle class working people that they are truly for the common man and want to help them. They use class warfare to convince people that Republicans are a bunch of rich fat cats who hate poor people and want granny to eat cat food. This is really the rally cry of Marxists, as they promote the idea of Unions representing the proletariat, espoused as the owners of the means of production. That's communism! The former Soviet Union was the perfect image of this powerful proletarian! The image of the worker with the brown uniforms and brown cap. Fidel Castro also embodies this vision as well.
To achieve this, the communists used any means they thought would work. This is referred to as "the means to an end" and communists wil use any means. This is why one minute war is good and the next minute war is terrible. It just depends on what they are trying to accomplish. This is why it's amusing to notice how when Bush was Prez, all the libs though the wars were just horrible and terrible abuses and demanded Gitmo closed and compromised our positions by disseminating sensitive photos and information, while now Obama is Prez, somehow bombing Libya is to liberate the people and help the "rebels". And now its ok because France is doing it too.
So, see how that works? FDR wanted us in the War. Clinton did not want war.
What is Revolution but a type of war? The 60's radicals wanted Revolution. They talked a lot about being anti-war, but they provoked conflict. In fact Bernadine Dorhn, famed Weatherman Underground member, was at Kent State addressing students. These radicals set fires to university property.
At the root of all this was Marxist ideology and a desire to materialize the socialist Utopia.
The Democrat Party today is externalizing what the 60's radicals fought for, Utopian Socialism.
Look at what happened in the Bolshevik Revolution. The Czar and his family were brutally murdered in cold blood. The children too.
Even while Hitler had notoriety for his concentration camps, the Soviets had their communist gulags. Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote of his experiences in the Gulag and exposed the Russian system. Even today, most people talk about Hitler but not the Russian gulags. It's very curious.

14 million people passed through the Gulag "labour camps" from 1929 to 1953, with a further 6 to 7 million being deported and exiled to remote areas of the USSR, plus 4-5 millions passed through "labour colonies", which meant to confine the prisoners serving short (less than 3 years) terms.[9] The total population of the camps varied from 510,307 (in 1934) to 1,727,970 (in 1953).[6] According to a 1993 study of archival Soviet data, a total of 1,053,829 people died in the Gulag from 1934 to 1953.[6] These estimates exclude those who died shortly after their release but whose death resulted from the harsh treatment in the camps;[10] such deaths happened frequently.[11] The studies that take into account these deaths put the death toll for this same time period at 1,258,537, with an estimated 1.6 million casualties from 1929 to 1953.[12]


Even more broadly, "Gulag" has come to mean the Soviet repressive system itself, the set of procedures that prisoners once called the "meat-grinder": the arrests, the interrogations, the transport in unheated cattle cars, the forced labor, the destruction of families, the years spent in exile, the early and unnecessary deaths.[1

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 02:56 AM
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They use class warfare to convince people that Republicans are a bunch of rich fat cats who hate poor people and want granny to eat cat food


The democrats didn't really have to do anything to convince the public of that, the republican did a great job on their own. One example is the recent push to end the tax cuts that benefit the 'common man' as you put it.

The rest of your diatribe shows a lack of any coherent understanding of Marxism, communism, or socialism and was more than likely garnered from an ultra-right wing blogger with Obama derangement syndrome.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:05 AM
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Originally posted by megabytz
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They use class warfare to convince people that Republicans are a bunch of rich fat cats who hate poor people and want granny to eat cat food


The democrats didn't really have to do anything to convince the public of that, the republican did a great job on their own. One example is the recent push to end the tax cuts that benefit the 'common man' as you put it.

The rest of your diatribe shows a lack of any coherent understanding of Marxism, communism, or socialism and was more than likely garnered from an ultra-right wing blogger with Obama derangement syndrome.


I always find it remarkable when people make this typical statement that I or others who expose Marxism do not understand it.
Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what Marxism really is in your mind. I'd love to hear it really. This is great. I already have my chips and dip. I can't wait for a real intellectual discussion on the particulars of Marxist philosophy. I can already hear you waxing poetic. Hey, I know, why don't you pull out some poetry from Frank Marshall Davis!

Again, you are just using a typical Democrat/liberal talking point. Pullease! It's the Democrats who have been pushing for higher taxes to pay for all the entitlements. Anyway, I am a Tea Partier and the GOP has become less conservative than it once was. There are plenty of GOP sellouts.
my understanding of Marxism comes from study, not from a right wing blog. But I bet you get yours from Huffpo or DailyKos!
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:09 AM
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A silver spoon and yet he served as an aviator in the war. More than we can say about certain other Presidents.
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:21 AM
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Originally posted by megabytz
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They use class warfare to convince people that Republicans are a bunch of rich fat cats who hate poor people and want granny to eat cat food


The democrats didn't really have to do anything to convince the public of that, the republican did a great job on their own. One example is the recent push to end the tax cuts that benefit the 'common man' as you put it.

The rest of your diatribe shows a lack of any coherent understanding of Marxism, communism, or socialism and was more than likely garnered from an ultra-right wing blogger with Obama derangement syndrome.



And besides everything I already said, there tends to be a lot of very wealthy Democrat/liberal people who say they are all for the little guy.
Bill Gates
Warren Buffett
George Soros
Ted Turner
John Kerry

I was shocked when one day I was mentioning to someone at work that Soros had confiscated the wealth of Jews for the Nazis during the war, so this guy Googled Soros. After a while and reading a wiki entry, this guy announces to me that Soros has given away a lot of his money and so that made him ok. I was totally floored.
This is the relativity of things. IF Soros had had remorse for his confiscation of jewish wealth in the name of Nazism and therefore he wanted to make it right, that could make some sense, but Soros said in an interview he had no remorse whatever.
So look at who is beneficiary of his generosity
Code Pink
La Raza
DailyKos
Huffpo
Project Vote (gee I wonder what thats all about)
The Progresosive States Network
Progressive Change Campaign Committee

thats just a short list and they are all leftist with a radical agenda



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:23 AM
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megabytz where's your discourse to me on Marxism?


ok here's some valuable info for you

www.marxists.org...

www.marxists.org...

oh and I just love this

The philosophy of Marxism is materialism
a quote from Lenin himself
www.marxists.org...

Marxism is also referred to as "Dialectical Materialism"
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:30 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
One of the things the Democrat Party has done very successfully is to convince many disenfranchised people, minorities, and lower and middle class working people that they are truly for the common man and want to help them. They use class warfare to convince people that Republicans are a bunch of rich fat cats who hate poor people and want granny to eat cat food. This is really the rally cry of Marxists, as they promote the idea of Unions representing the proletariat, espoused as the owners of the means of production. That's communism!


Everything you just said is spot on and I agree with completely.

The democratic party is splintered, how do I know? You say there are 70 socialists in congress right now under the guise of 'democrats'...or is it that all democrats are socialists? This is an important distinction because there are 255 democrats in the house, that leaves 185 other democrats who aren't 'socialists', right?

Right now the republican leadership in congress does represent rich fat cats who seem to hate poor people and do want granny to eat cat food. What have they done to prove otherwise? Eric Cantor doesn't want to send ANY money to help with recovery efforts for the east coast until we cut something else. Road washed away? F* you, we've got to keep taxes low for our job creators! Lost your house to BofA during the financial crisis? F* you, give up your house while we give your tax money to the bank. Eighty years old and SS is your only income? F* you, we've got debt to pay down that our party let skyrocket but we're blaming the new guy because he hasn't stopped it.

You can't honestly tell me that everything the right espouses is truly good can you? Hitler and Stalin weren't leftists...they were far, far right. Nationalism isn't a leftist ideal, we don't march around with American flags and tricorner hats. Tell me Hitler wasn't a nationalist and I'll call you a liar. Stalin demanded conformance...just as someone on the extreme right demands. No one can have abortions, only men and women can marry, only your business owner has the answers.

I had so much hope for the Tea party, I really did. Finally, a new party would come along and act on the ideals of their membership and not just their financial backers. What did they do? They folded and joined the republicans. There was even a whole new political party established in Florida, what happened to them? They were ostracized and cast out.

There are three factions of the TEA party, only one of them I could even remotely support. War should be declared on the other two.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:34 AM
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Originally posted by pirhanna
The video notwithstanding, the "Tea Party" is nothing but the rebranded christian coalition of far right wing religious kooks.

Not that I'm against smaller government generally speaking. And the welfare system could and should be revamped to more aptly perform it's purpose - a social safety net. Instead of giving people money for nothing, give them jobs. (obviously in some circumstances, the person cannot work, but for those that can which is the majority)


Excellent post. You have a bunch of lunatics and racists ranting and raving to cut everything and leave everyone(that isn't white, that is) to blow in the wind without remotely even considering the consequences of these actions.

But god forbid some type of logic and common sense find their way into one of these Tea Party circle jerks that take place here on ATS.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:41 AM
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Even a self proclaimed Socialist says I'm right!

revising on Lenin on Stalin


Capital, created by the labour of the worker, crushes the worker, ruining small proprietors and creating an army of unemploy

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You must subscribe to the Bill Maher explanation of Stalin and Russian communism


“Both [the Russian and French] revolutions got hijacked by the right-wing – and the Iranian Revolution,” Maher added.
However, Maher explained that you could argue the Russian Revolution was “hijacked by the left-wing,” but due to the nature of it being that far left, it was really right.
“I suppose people would say the Russian Revolution was hijacked by the left-wing,” Maher said. “I think when you go that far left – you’re really the right-wing. I consider Lenin and Stalin right-wingers. Don’t tell Rush Limbaugh.”


Now there is a crazy mixed up statement. One of the nuttiest Ive seen. This is an example of outrageous spin and a total lie besides.
Stalin was a communist. Communism is leftism.

But here is a good statement from that blogger
Bill Maher Thinks Lenin and Stalin Were “Right-Wingers”

by Walter Hudson


We could throw Hitler in the mix as well. What Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler all had in common was authoritarianism. Authoritarianism is neither Left nor Right in the common sense of the terms. It is merely contempt for liberty. Whether such contempt is motivated by a so-called “liberal” regard for the environment or a socially conservative regard for a particular religious edict is a minor detail. What you insist I do is not as critical as whether you have the right to insist upon anything.



Here's more blogging commentary on it
Maher: Lenin and Stalin Were Right Wing

Posted by Dave Blount at February 16, 2011 6:36 PM

Radical leftist Adolf Hitler had this to say about capitalism:
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
www.moonbattery.com...

Now that quote shows us really that even if Hitler did not like Marx, he still subscribed to his philosophy and was a leftist and a socialist but with an authoritarian bent.
Not rigiht wing


interestingly I found this on wikipedia

Simultaneously, however, many people who profess Marxism or Leninism view Stalinism as a perversion of their ideas; Trotskyists, in particular, are virulently anti-Stalinist, considering Stalinism a counter-revolutionary style of governance that used vaguely Marxist-sounding rhetoric to achieve power.





This, however does not make Stalin a right winger. It just means that some Marxists disagreed with his style of enforcing Statist control.


Statism is anti Liberty, whether its Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, radical Marxism or Smiley face Totalitarian fascism.

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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 04:00 AM
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Are you...agreeing with that sentiment (the Lenin quote)? Because you might be more of a socialist than you think.

That's Lenin on Marx, FYI. The Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism by V.I. Lenin, published in 1913

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There's left and right then there's up and down. Communism can be both left and right, socialism can be the same. Did you know there are libertarian socialists? They are essentialy anarchists, but they do exist. You can be a socialist without being a statist.

Stalin didn't believe in or practice international communism. He forced conformance and created social orders within the communist party (see Orwell's 1984).

You sound like a leftist, I'm not entirely certain on your social ideals but on your economic ideals alone you could be a leftist.

This is really where I'm coming from: Political ideologies
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by links234
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Are you...agreeing with that sentiment? Because you might be more of a socialist than you think.

That's Lenin on Marx, FYI. The Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism by V.I. Lenin, published in 1913



Am I agreeing with which sentiment? I just posted the info which is classically Socialist. and Marxist for the benefit of the individual who says i don't know what I am talking about. I figured the best way to find out is to go to the source.
Again, Socialism is communism lite. We already have certain elements of socialism embedded in our system.
But look at how our current Prez is doing things. Look at what he did with the auto industry, look at his support of the Brazilian national oil industry with our tax dollars.
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by links234
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Are you...agreeing with that sentiment? Because you might be more of a socialist than you think.

That's Lenin on Marx, FYI. The Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism by V.I. Lenin, published in 1913



Yes, it was Lenin on Marx. Marx after all is considered the Father of Communism.

ok time for sleep. Maybe I will revisit this when I've had some rest.
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 04:30 AM
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Originally posted by megabytz
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The tea party declared war on America along time ago. They want "*their* country back", screw everyone else. Not only did they declare war on America, they declared war on rational discourse. It is a terrible populist movement which is now fueled by big money and given their talking points by the plutocracy hell bent on hoarding even more wealth.

www.nytimes.com...




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Quoting the NY Times on the Tea Party is like asking MSNBC for a fair and balanced editorial.

No war was declared.
We just want a return to a smaller government. No spending foolishness. A return to personal responsibility.

And it just irks the hell out of many, that we believe people should be responsible for themselves.
Post after post, thread after thread, story after story. . .



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 06:21 AM
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Couldn't agree with you more! It's not surprizing that war has been declared. The money-grabbers will stop at nothing to retain power. Those of us who wish for a 'hand up' instead of a 'hand out' are being marginalized in favor of a slave society!!!



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 06:44 AM
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In a democracy, it is complete lunacy to demand smaller government.

Think it through, TPers.

That is how dictatorships form.

Concentration of power= not good.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 06:51 AM
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It is a well known fact that the tea party is corrupted. It is just a representation or face or actors hired by TPTB to spread the illussion that there is a "movement" out there defending us. While sending the real movements into the shadows hidden from the public. This is TPTB way of controlling libertarians.

I am all for government, but when it gets to the point that they decide what I should put inside my own body, from what drugs I should take, what I should eat or even drink. We have a major problem and liberty is not longer liberty.

All of this is happening for big bucks.
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 07:05 AM
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My suggestions are, if you don't want the Tea Party to have such a bad name...

Stop making it an umbrella for racists to hide under. You don't like the racist labels then the so called leaders of the movement ought to step forward and loudly declare that racism will not be tolerated, stop with the little tee-hees you think no one else is smart enough to grasp. Of course this won't happen because like it or not a lot of white americans were disgusted when a black man took office and every politician knows not to isolate your base, right?


Ok. After reading the above quoted paragraph, it appears to me that you are not saying that all "Tea Partiers"are racist. If so, thanks. It's refreshing.

My personal experience with a Tea Party event was a fairly large rally in the downtown area of San Antonio, Texas. I went with my brother and a few friends, and we stayed for most of the day.
I don't know about other Tea Party events, having not attended any others personally, but this one had a great many brown and black-skinned attendees. I wouldn't go so far to say white attendees were a minority at the rally...but it must have been close.

If there were closet white racists there, hoping to "hide under the umbrella" as you mentioned, they must have been:

  1. Annoyed.
  2. Very good at "hiding."

Number two bugs me. How can they be good at hiding, when just about every person who speaks out against the Tea Party talks about how it's "obviously" racist? Doesn't sound like good hiding to me. And...if these hypothetical racists were hiding, why do they continue to do so when the opposition loudly proclaims they "know" they are there? Let's say, just for a moment, that there are racists hiding within the Tea Party. At this point, the only people they are "hiding" from are other Tea Party people, who are not racist and would not be pleased to discover people like that in their midst. This leads me to speculate that, IF there are racists hiding under the "umbrella" of the Tea Party, they are hiding because they know they would be ostracized by the Tea Party; which is ideologically--not racially--motivated.

You mentioned some "so-called leaders." Not sure who, or what, you mean here. There isn't a "leader", or even a "group of leaders". There are people who are the "organizing force" behind rallys, but those people are usually local to the area of the rally(aside from the few national rallies, of course) and tend to "pass the baton" after very short periods to some other motivated person, primarily because they are volunteers and it's a lot of work and they have other stuff to do like eat, sleep, job, call mom on Sundays, etc.
People have claimed that there is a leadership; others have tried to snake their way into being the "leader", or at least be associated as such. There are "vocal advocates" who are well known, as well as "vocal declaimers" who are well known. But there is no single leadership.

Ideologically, the Tea Party is composed of people who don't want to have to try and run other people's lives for them, and also want the government to stop telling them how to run their own lives. In other words, it's people who don't need, or want, a freaking leader.
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 07:18 AM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247


We are at war. A scruffy little grass-roots movement, just wanting smaller government and a return to personal responsibility.
The TP is anything but "little" and "scruffy"!

They are a large group of fed-up Republicans that began a small movement to break away from the Republican party and express their disdain for both sides. Now the TP is just code word for pissed-off Republican. They are no longer a seperate movement from the Republican party. Once the Right Wing saw how powerful the TP could be, they swooped in and folded them right back into the party. So I disagree with that notion alltogether!





An analogy I like to use is this; imagine a person with a broken leg. The Tea Party would like to see the person go to physical therapy, use crutches, a cane, then walk on their own. It'd be painful. But the patient would learn to walk again, and become self-reliant. The progressives want to give the person a wheelchair (bought by someone else). They don't want the person to go through the painful process of rehabilitation. They want that person to stay in the wheelchair until the legs have atrophied to a point where they CAN'T leave the wheelchair. They want that person to be dependent. They want that person to NEED them.


Ok, fair enough. I think the analogy is too simplistic, but it conveys your point. Let me just ask why doesn't the TP apply that sort of "pull up your bootstraps" mentality with the corporations? Why did we allow them to be bailed out?

Why don't the TP allow the tax code to take the burden off the middle class and fairly tax the wealthy whom reap the benefits of a tax code that allows them to bypass much of their tax liability?

Pretty simple answer really.....because the TP and the Republicans need them! Big business and the ultra-wealthy are the true masters of the Republican party, and now the TP.

They will fight for every tax burden to be placed on the middle class, for every business to be allowed free-reign without regulation and for all campaign finance laws to be tossed to the side.

WHY? Because they are dependant on them and without them...their existance cannot be justified!

Edit to add: You guys need to wake up! The Lefties are a bunch of pansies, I agree. But the Republicans have become the 2nd incarnation of the Nazi Regime! Propaganda at it's finest!

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The Tea Party isn't a "party," and they never sought to "break away" from the Republican Party. The Tea Party is a movement, and a movement in this country that isn't liberal-based is supposedly bad and evil according to the MSM and liberals alike. People need to wake up and realize that people are pissed off at what Obama and his administration have done to this country, and they want it changed. Nothing wrong with that, other than they are in the minority, which is a shame. They need to be recognized and respected for their beliefs, not scoffed at by the left.

I don't necessarily support the Tea Party, but what is wrong with people wanting smaller government and less spending? I believe both parties are to blame for this, and hopefully the Tea Party wakes up the Republicans and the rest of this country, because it is surely headed in the wrong direction.



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