DEBUNK THIS - There WERE NO human rights abuses in Libya according to UN Human Rights report, page 3

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reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 07:58 AM by Ellen15

reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

Read the document which was released earlier this year (which is based from LAST YEAR)

Read the recommendations - meaning HE HAD A LONG WAY TO GO, they praised his efforts for trying etc but he still had a long way to go

What do you think the citizens protesting him and his regime was about really?

They rose up shortly after the egyptians rose up, at the same time the saudis were trying to rise up, syrians rised up, baharians rose up (who were showered with bullets by the saudi army infront of US NAVY who were based there)

Did the UN or the USA or any other world keader make a big hoop la about any of that? NO
Infact most people had to find out what was really going on in those places from other media outlets AJ English for one

Did gaddafi not use his might, power and bullets against HIS OWN people?

He lost international clout when he did that, sprayed his people with bullets for protesting, wanting more freedoms, dignity, better quality of life, jobs, education etc etc, they wanted him to step down from power, they wanted change, new leadership

There is also a report out there by human rights watch documenting the rebels and their voilation of human rights
(google for it)

In the USA citizens are being tasered by BART for protesting, other countries use tear gas and/or rubber bullets/bean bag bullets

UN and the USA can shove it up their woo woos when it comes to human rights when the western leaders are against their own people and they use force against their own people

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reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 07:58 AM by wcitizen

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by Amaterasu

It would take someone completely blind not to see a housemaid with third-degree burns walking around trying to look after your children while attempting to keep what skin she has left clinging to her head and body.

Or a well paid, Hollywood trained actress related to an official with no conscience and a vested interest.

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reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:01 AM by Kryties

reply to post by wcitizen

That's bloody good make-up if so....getting the oozing pus so right and all......

reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:02 AM by spoor

Originally posted by wcitizen
More than 1 million LIbyans in massive Anti-Nato protest in Libya - July, 2011

Obviously just a hoax made in a studio!

reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:03 AM by Ellen15

Did you miss the first few a bit laughable considering who made the recommendations

93.2. Adopt and implement a definition of torture consistent with its obligations under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, Degrading
Treatment or Punishment (United States);

93.3. Adopt domestic legislation to absolutely abolish practices of torture on its territory (United States);

reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:05 AM by CasiusIgnoranze

reply to post by Ellen15

It sounds like Western countries were trying to force Libya into becoming a country it couldn't obviously become because of the fact the people in Libya follow Islamic values and not Western values. Whats more, the New Rebel NTC government intend too fully enforce Sharia Law in Libya...Go Figure.

In no way I'm saying Gaddafi was a saint. Every leader has opposition in his country but in this case NATO took advantage of the small opposition there was and turned it around against Gaddafi.

reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:07 AM by wcitizen

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by wcitizen

That's bloody good make-up if so....getting the oozing pus so right and all......

Good make-up? Oh, come on, It's one of Hollywood's specialities.

It is proven and documented that they did it with the baby incubator story which was the trigger for swaying public opinion in favour of the Iraq war. Why wouldn't they do it again? It has worked well in the past, and it was the exact same MO. Demonise the target in the eyes of the public through using the MSM to broadcast fake stories of outrageous human rights abuse.

Just watch this video, knowing it was all a fake, and see the President, the 'top brass' and an Ambassador's daughter all lying through their teeth, on camera, to the US people and the world.

YouTube Link

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reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:08 AM by CasiusIgnoranze

Originally posted by Ellen15
Did you miss the first few a bit laughable considering who made the recommendations

93.2. Adopt and implement a definition of torture consistent with its obligations under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, Degrading
Treatment or Punishment (United States);

93.3. Adopt domestic legislation to absolutely abolish practices of torture on its territory (United States);

The US Government itself is a big hypocrite in trying to force these measures on Libya.

Guantanamo Bay Tortures

Need I say more?

reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:08 AM by Ellen15

93.12. Take appropriate measures to ensure that all children enjoy all human rights, without discrimination (Islamic Republic of Iran);

93.14. Explore the possibility of adopting a national strategy to combat discrimination against women (Malaysia);
93.15. Continue to improve policies and programmes to advance the status of women and girls, and to protect children (Myanmar);

93.17. Consider inviting the Special Rapporteur on the right to education and the Special Rapporteur on the sale of children, child prostitution and child pornography, within a framework of mutual cooperation, as a constructive step towards the consolidation of greater protection for this vulnerable group (Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela);3

93.20. Adopt policies and legislation aimed at promoting women’s rights and combating gender-based discrimination, particularly domestic violence (Brazil);

93.21. Continue to scale up its efforts to empower women, mainly rural women (Democratic People’s Republic of Korea);

93.22. Continue its efforts in promoting human rights and gender equality, and ensure that women can be involved in the labour market (Tunisia);

93.23. Continue the measures to promote women rights, including the advancement of women’s empowerment (Azerbaijan);

93.24. Continue its efforts to promote women’s role in social and public life, and protect them from violence (Islamic Republic of Iran);

93.25. Continue the implementation of measures designed to enhance the role of women in social and political life (Belarus);

93.26. Strengthen measures and policies to promote the active role and participation of women in the political, social and economic life of the country (Viet Nam);

93.27. Continue its special efforts to empower women in various areas, in particular in the labour market (Egypt);

93.28. Step up efforts to enhance the participation of women in all spheres of socio-economic life, in line with the progress made in education (Bangladesh);

93.29. Continue their efforts in enhancing the role of persons with disabilities in society (Jordan);

93.30. Continue its efforts towards people with special needs, and ensure that they are exempted from paying some expenses (Morocco);

The list is endless for women's right, the above is just a few of the many recommendations

reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:08 AM by wcitizen

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
reply to post by Ellen15

It sounds like Western countries were trying to force Libya into becoming a country it couldn't obviously become because of the fact the people in Libya follow Islamic values and not Western values. Whats more, the New Rebel NTC government intend too fully enforce Sharia Law in Libya...Go Figure.

In no way I'm saying Gaddafi was a saint. Every leader has opposition in his country but in this case NATO took advantage of the small opposition there was and turned it around against Gaddafi.

Spot on.

reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:08 AM by LightAssassin

reply to post by Kryties

I'm sorry but I am sick of my fellow Aussies taking everything they see and read in the mainstream as fact.

If they can lie about other stuff, this is surely the case too.

What's happening to Libya is disgraceful and reeks of evil. We all need to wake up to the elite ruling us.

reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:09 AM by Ellen15

reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

which is why i said " a bit laughable considering who made the recommendations"

reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:10 AM by LightAssassin

reply to post by Ellen15

I've read the WHOLE thing...and they all say CONTINUE to do this and do that...as in THEY HAVE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED THESE THINGS.

Seriously.

reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:12 AM by wcitizen

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze

Originally posted by Ellen15
Did you miss the first few a bit laughable considering who made the recommendations

93.2. Adopt and implement a definition of torture consistent with its obligations under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, Degrading
Treatment or Punishment (United States);

93.3. Adopt domestic legislation to absolutely abolish practices of torture on its territory (United States);

The US Government itself is a big hypocrite in trying to force these measures on Libya.

Guantanamo Bay Tortures

Need I say more?

Not to mention all those who are assassinated by government agencies to silence them or threaten others into silence. No-one knows how many have been assassinated in this way....my guess is it is huge.

Obama also has officially and publicly given himself permission to ASSASSINATE, without any due process, any US citizen who is perceived as a 'threat to national security'. He has a list of targets which is, of course, kept secret for reasons of national security, lol. So, in US assassination of US citizens by the government, at will, without any legal process has been LEGALIZED.

Somebody please tell me how that law, and the government clandestine assassinations are not a massive violation of human rights.

And, they do it all the time.

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reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:13 AM by Ellen15

reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

YES

However we still shouldnt ignore the Libyans protests and their reasons why they were protesting, it seems people have forgotten about that already?

I think the rebels and NATO/USA took the opportunity to jump in and take over

In the end it wasnt about the Libyan people, but NEW opportunities for god knows who, but I dont think the Libyan people are included in it

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reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:14 AM by wcitizen

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by wcitizen
More than 1 million LIbyans in massive Anti-Nato protest in Libya - July, 2011

Obviously just a hoax made in a studio!

Evidence, please - or that's an example of trolling.

reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:14 AM by CasiusIgnoranze

reply to post by Ellen15

Oh lol.

Besides all those other Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain suggesting more "freedom for women" in Libya is just...well....

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reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:16 AM by Kryties

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by Kryties

I'm sorry but I am sick of my fellow Aussies taking everything they see and read in the mainstream as fact.

You must have missed my post in this thread where I say I most certainly do not.

If they can lie about other stuff, this is surely the case too.

Sure, I never denied that either. I'm just not quite so 'sure' in this particular instance.

What's happening to Libya is disgraceful and reeks of evil. We all need to wake up to the elite ruling us.

Yes, of course we do. I just think that perhaps people could wait for more evidence before jumping to rash conclusions like that woman having been burnt by the CIA, or the Rebels or something and then threatened into lying about who did it to her. What if she is telling the truth? Does this not deny her of her right for justice against those who actually perpetrated the crime?

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reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:20 AM by LightAssassin

reply to post by Ellen15

Sorry Ellen but it goes like this.

US fund the political opposition to Qaddafi, who fund the youths to begin uprising. This also funds the Rebel military. The funds are delivered via CIA channels. The same that are on ground co-ordinating rebels. The same that are being called Al-Qaida. Dressed like Al-Qaida, because the CIA has a vested interest in Al-Qaida.

Qaddafi is going against the grain and giving power to the people. This will cause the whole of Africa to eventually follow his success, hence some of the questions from other countries in that article:

31. The Sudan inquired if the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya could provide it with information
about the initiative to distribute wealth to low-income families and whether the country
considered this to be the best means to improve the standard of living of families with
limited resources. It noted the country’s positive experience in achieving a high school
enrolment rate and improvements in the education of women.

And yet another compliment

57. Regarding discrimination against women, the policy of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
was based on equality and non-discrimination.

reply posted on 30-8-2011 @ 08:26 AM by CasiusIgnoranze

reply to post by LightAssassin

What many people don't realise that just because the Women in Libya might wear the hijab and not go to clubs, drink, have sex with strangers in parties like in Western society, doesn't mean they "don't have any freedom or rights". Its part of their Islamic culture for gods sake...

I mean, what kind of lame BS excuses do our Western countries accuse Gaddafi of to justify this illegal war?

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