DEBUNK THIS - There WERE NO human rights abuses in Libya according to UN Human Rights report

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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by HolgerTheDane
 


A good sensible post, but unfortunately it will go unheeded...

It would appear that no matter what you say, some people will think Gaddafi is a good chap. I am sure they'd say the same about Stalin, Mao or Kim too


Do you really think it's a question of Ghaddaffi being a good chap?

Let me put it this way, if you want to save the world ... then do us all a favour and save it from the likes of you.






The images you see above, is the real crime against humanity ... it far exceeds any crimes Adolf Hitler did. It far exceeds any crimes, Stalin did.




posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by SuperCereal
I believe there is a lot that remains to be seen in Libya! Are there any reporters over there that are apart of ATS!!? Stand upp!


There were a number of independent journalists in Libya who were reporting facts which contradicted NATO's propaganda. CIA agents, posing as journalists, made death threats to them, they had to flee - to escape the US agents.

But that's ok, I guess. It's ok for us to invade a country illegally on the pretext of human rights violations, and it's ok for our governments and their agencies to violate human rights of their own citizens every day of every week.

The hypocrisy is nauseating. When will people GET IT?

I'm afraid some people, many people won't wake up until they are actually incarcerated in a FEMA camp themselves, being faced with execution. Then they'll realise they should have seen it coming.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by wcitizen
Unless you can provide a source, it's possible that your memory may be inaccurate here.



Saddam built up a great Education and Healthcare system in Iraq preior to 1991, but the guy was still a brutal bastard. One doesn't preclude the other.


Unless you've developed a learning difficulty, I think you;ve totally mis-read my post, mis-read your source article and used both to prove a wonky point.

What did I say? Iraq had a good healthcare system prior to 1991.

What did the link say? A few things, actually. Firstly, this was a rumour (never actually substantiated) from the liberation of Kuwait, so after 1991 and in a different country! The one they invaded, actually!

The Iraqi healthcare system fell to bits after 1991 and the liberation of Kuwait, when we slapped sanctions on them.

So, my point stands and you're shown to be a bit of a plank.



Those who refuse to see the evidence right under their nose are those who are either wilfully in denail or have learning diffuclites.

I gave you a link....you ~COULD have researched it further before making your comments, because you will find that there is actual evidence that this story was true.

But, like so many, you can't be bothered to do that, but would rather label something as untrue or inconclusive simply because it suits your own paradigm.

Your own argument exposes your absolute lack of empathy and critical thought.....yes, the health care system had problems when we slapped sanctions on Libya, for something he allegedly did which is as yet totally unproven by any independent, non-biased investigation. You sound happy with that. It was tragic for the Libyan people, and that is why Qadaffi agreed to pay compensation to the victims of the Lockerbie bombing, even though he protested his innocence. He paid so he could get the sanctions lifted because his people were suffering from said sanctions.

Irespect your right to support and applause the insane mass murder of hundreds of thousands of civilialns across the world, at the same time as despising everything such support represents.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 09:55 AM
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Again, another catastrophic failure to understand plain English.

I not once mentioned Gaddafi's healthcare programme either on it's own or in relation to sanctions. I was talking about the pre-Gulf war Iraqi system in my posts when I compared Saddam to Gaddafi, as you lot seem to think because he built hospitals, he is a good guy.

Let me say this nice and clear for you, for the third time today...

Saddam had the regions best healthcare and education programme PRE-1991. That doesn;t mean he wasn't a brutal dictator. The two are not mutually exclusive.

This is why I don't really bother to try and disprove your fanciful nonsense about Gaddaffi and this rebellion. You (and others like you) can't understand plain English, get all twisty when it comes to trying to make a point, misquote and engage in circular logic or just plain ignore the big gaping holes in what you're saying, even when pointed out to you.

You're locked in a fantasy world that doesn't exist, where there is a conspiracy around every corner and nothing is at it seems. All media is to be distrusted, unless it actually agrees with you, then it is infallable, even if you previously claimed the source as unreliable 5 minutes prior, for an example of that see Agent_USA and his derision of how the UN can't be trusted and is in cahoots yet he is commenting in and supporting the thread about a supposed (but not really) UN report into their being no HR abuses.

Confused much? Yes, yes you are.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by stumason
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Again, another catastrophic failure to understand plain English.

I not once mentioned Gaddafi's healthcare programme either on it's own or in relation to sanctions. I was talking about the pre-Gulf war Iraqi system in my posts when I compared Saddam to Gaddafi, as you lot seem to think because he built hospitals, he is a good guy.


My mistake. I mistook Iraq for Libya. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa....lol.


Let me say this nice and clear for you, for the third time today...

Saddam had the regions best healthcare and education programme PRE-1991. That doesn;t mean he wasn't a brutal dictator. The two are not mutually exclusive.

This is why I don't really bother to try and disprove your fanciful nonsense about Gaddaffi and this rebellion. You (and others like you) can't understand plain English, get all twisty when it comes to trying to make a point, misquote and engage in circular logic or just plain ignore the big gaping holes in what you're saying, even when pointed out to you.

You're locked in a fantasy world that doesn't exist, where there is a conspiracy around every corner and nothing is at it seems. All media is to be distrusted, unless it actually agrees with you, then it is infallable, even if you previously claimed the source as unreliable 5 minutes prior, for an example of that see Agent_USA and his derision of how the UN can't be trusted and is in cahoots yet he is commenting in and supporting the thread about a supposed (but not really) UN report into their being no HR abuses.
Confused much? Yes, yes you are.


Yes, all our media is to be distrusted, as are all our politicians....if you want something close to the truth, that is.

You're aggression and rudeness to myself and others on this forum is deplorable. What on earth makes you think that your arrogant, aggressive insults are acceptable? They're also in breach of the T&C. You use the language of a fanatic. it has no place in courteous debate. But then, that's not what you want, is it? Are you even capable of discussing something courteously and without insulting others?

History will tell. I believe you'll be forced to see the way things really are sooner than you think, unless, of course, you're one of few insiders with a pass to save their skin. Which wouldn't surprise me given the views expessed in your posts and the values suggested by your avatar.
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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by wcitizen
Yes, all our media is to be distrusted, as are all our politicians....if you want something close to the truth, that is.


Something we might actually agree on there...


Originally posted by wcitizen
You're aggression and rudeness to myself and others on this forum is deplorable. What on earth makes you think that your arrogant, aggressive insults are acceptable?


As is the name calling and character assasinations I have had to put up with for months on this topic. If you want courtesy, then it would do you and your ilk well to practice what you preach.


Originally posted by wcitizen
They're also in breach of the T&C.


Hardly.


Originally posted by wcitizen
You use the language of a fanatic. it has no place in courteous debate. But then, that's not what you want, is it? Are you even capable of discussing something courteously and without insulting others?


But it's ok for your camp to use the very same tactics? In fact, every time I have you lot pegged on a point, it reverts to this. You lot whine and whinge, yet ignore the rather salient point being raised as if the question was never asked.

If you want a courtious debate, then maybe you shouldn;t be the first to throw stones. I've been called a war-monger, NATO fanboy, a liar, an idiot, baby-killer and worse on these threads, all by people who rather than use critical thinking skills will blindly believe a random unsourced blog or dubious Russian state-owned TV station (which has a historical tendency to spread total lies about anything not in Russias interests) over any other source, be it any media that disagrees with whatever crackpot nonsense is flavour of the week or even the people themselves.


Originally posted by wcitizen
History will tell


Indeed it will and I wonder how vociferous about this you will be in 2, 3 or 4 years time when a new Libya emerges under the control of the people, not a megolomaniac tyrant.


Originally posted by wcitizen
I believe you'll be forced to see the way things really are sooner than you think, unless, of course, you're one of few insiders with a pass to save their skin. Which wouldn't surprise me given the views expessed in your posts and the values suggested by your avatar.


Oh, let me guess. You also believe the whole NWO crap about killing off billions and leaving only a few million to serve the NWO in their ivory palaces?

And yes, I am proud to be English and proud of my country, As are the Libyan fellows who have bravely risen up against their dictator and when they called out for help, I am proud my country was one of the ones leading the charge.

If you're ashamed of helping your fellow man free himself from oppression and instead would prefer to perpetuate a tyranical dictaorship so you can fell warm and fuzzy about your world views, then I feel sorry for you.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by wcitizen


As is the name calling and character assasinations I have had to put up with for months on this topic. If you want courtesy, then it would do you and your ilk well to practice what you preach.



So, you're blaming someone else for your own rudeness, incredible arrogance and downright nasty personal insults. Where's the clear thinking in that?




Hardly.

You're obviously not familiar with them.





But it's ok for your camp to use the very same tactics? In fact, every time I have you lot pegged on a point, it reverts to this. You lot whine and whinge, yet ignore the rather salient point being raised as if the question was never asked.



My camp? What on earth do you mean? That sounds like assumption and false generalisation. I belong to no camp, here or elsewhere. That is simply your own, incorrect, imagining.


If you want a courtious debate, then maybe you shouldn;t be the first to throw stones. I've been called a war-monger, NATO fanboy, a liar, an idiot, baby-killer and worse on these threads, all by people who rather than use critical thinking skills will blindly believe a random unsourced blog or dubious Russian state-owned TV station (which has a historical tendency to spread total lies about anything not in Russias interests) over any other source, be it any media that disagrees with whatever crackpot nonsense is flavour of the week or even the people themselves.



Bullies have strong tendency to blame others to justify their own unacceptable behaviour.

And you know what, I've never called you any of those things, so why are you retaliating in kind to me?




You keep whining on about critical thinking, but this whole post shows an extreme lack of it. Your statements suggest that you clearly believe everyone who disagrees with your point of view is in one 'camp', that they read one blog and believe everything they read



You are proceeding on a basis of presumption. You presume to put others into groups ('camps', 'you lot', 'your like'), slap wrong presumptions on how they have arrived at their conclusions, and presuming superiority.

Where's the critical thinking in that - gross and inaccurate generalisations and incorrect conclusions based on blatently subjective and unsubstantiated personal assumptions about others?

ROFL.. Critical thinking? Laughable.



Indeed it will and I wonder how vociferous about this you will be in 2, 3 or 4 years time when a new Libya emerges under the control of the people, not a megolomaniac tyrant.


Mm, like Afghanistan? Like Iraq? 10 years and still waiting. I'm not holding my breath, though.




Oh, let me guess. You also believe the whole NWO crap about killing off billions and leaving only a few million to serve the NWO in their ivory palaces?



You call it crap so it must be so? Lol.




And yes, I am proud to be English and proud of my country, As are the Libyan fellows who have bravely risen up against their dictator and when they called out for help, I am proud my country was one of the ones leading the charge.


You call killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians 'helping', you call mass destruction of civilian infrastructure 'helpiing', you call looting and pillaging their resources 'helping', I call it war crimes.



If you're ashamed of helping your fellow man free himself from oppression


You see, there you go again. Presumptions and oblique insults, based on nothing but your own wish to belittle others and take the moral high ground.

The false premise: Because I strongly disagree with what is being done in Libya I am a human being who is ashamed of helping my fellow man free himself from oppression.

How can you seriously criticise anyone else for a lack of clear thinking when you write such nonsense?



and instead would prefer to perpetuate a tyranical dictaorship so you can fell warm and fuzzy about your world views, then I feel s


More of the same nonsense.....you may think you know who I am and how I think but I can assure you, that's just more arrogance and self delusion on your part.

People are criticising the war in Libya because they care immensely about others, it's just that your personal bias seems to prevent you from seeing that.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by bjarneorn

Originally posted by HolgerTheDane

I'll give Muammer al-Gadaffi the benefit of the doubt and believe that he took power because he wanted to make things better. He even did make some things better. The sad fact is that he stopped making things better and went down the same path as Lenin, Hitler, Sadam, Amin, Pol Pot and all the other tyrants of the world.



I'm danish myself, born one. And if there is anything more non-trustworthy, then it is the danes. Denmark a country of 5 and a half million, who still are a monarchy, that by no way represents it's own people. The media does not, by any means, represent activities that happen in denmark. And if a person is being violated by the danish government, there is no way for them to get any retribution.

Denmark is just, put bluntly, a nation of people who put their voice behind the victorer. April 9th, 1940. Denmarks soldiers gave up, without a fight, and the population went onto the streets and welcomed the victorers by waving flags. About two and a half years later, when it was clear the Germany could not win the war, Denmark changed sides.

That is Denmark, and there is absolutely zero critical news produced in Denmark. It's, putting it blutnly, an a typical, patsy nation of pro propaganda producers.

As a Dane, I'll say "lorte land" ... like so many others before me.


You should read up on history instead of repeating falacies. As for your analysis of the current state of affairs - well you are far from trustworthy. You should try to remember that we have a large number of news media with vastly different political leanings. You should read more than one paper. That should give you a broader perspective.

In 1940 we were asked by our government and monarchy to desist fighting the germans and cooperate.
Live Danes were better than dead ones, and quite frankly - we had only a few thousand soldier against the might of the German Wehrmacht.

And of course - we have an election coming up. Hopefully we shall have a new government that won't cooperate with the Danish Peoples Party (edit: A political party consisting of, and voted for by racists, biggots and neo nazis).

Not trying to hijack the thread but I dislike lies being spread about Denmark by a fellow Dane.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by bjarneorn
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The images you see above, is the real crime against humanity ... it far exceeds any crimes Adolf Hitler did. It far exceeds any crimes, Stalin did.


It truly is a sorrowful sight, but to call it worse than Stalin and Hitler is stretching any concept of truth that exists.

Stalin was responsible for the killing of millions. Political persecution is but a part of it.

Hitler was responsible for the killing of millions. Political persecution is but a part of it.

And before you ask for proof. Go search for it. There is plenty to locate. In Hitlers case we don't even have to trust the Main Stream Media. The Nazis were very keen to film and photograph all their attrocities themselves. They documented everything. No lies there.

Read up on your history.
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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by SuperCereal
I believe there is a lot that remains to be seen in Libya! Are there any reporters over there that are apart of ATS!!? Stand upp!


There were a number of independent journalists in Libya who were reporting facts which contradicted NATO's propaganda. CIA agents, posing as journalists, made death threats to them, they had to flee - to escape the US agents.

But that's ok, I guess. It's ok for us to invade a country illegally on the pretext of human rights violations, and it's ok for our governments and their agencies to violate human rights of their own citizens every day of every week.

The hypocrisy is nauseating. When will people GET IT?

I'm afraid some people, many people won't wake up until they are actually incarcerated in a FEMA camp themselves, being faced with execution. Then they'll realise they should have seen it coming.



I for one trust what I have seen of footage and articles from the last two decades rather than what is written by so called independant reporters in the midst of a war, where the war in the press is just as lively.

You have chosen to believe on side and some have chosen to believe the other side.

Perhaps you should pause for a few minutes and consider that both sides might be wrong or exagerating.

I've said it before - read up on history and consider this:
In a country where Gadaffi is being a really good guy and is misunderstood by all other nations (including other nations in Africa and the Middle East), why is it that political opponents that speak out for free elections have to flee the country?

Do you honestly believe that it is better to live in a refugee camp in another country and live on scraps thrown to them by nations that only do it out of pity?
To give up your life. Your culture. Your family. Leaving a trail of dead or imprisoned that didn't make it?



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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I was just made a Rival (or Foe). Isn't that nice. Someone actually considers my writing and opinions a threat.

Personally I think it is a bit childish to strike someone off because you don't agree with a person's opinions.

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But I retaliated, I did.
I made him (her) a friend. Maybe if we kiss and make up, we can create a better world together.
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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by HolgerTheDane

I for one trust what I have seen of footage and articles from the last two decades rather than what is written by so called independant reporters in the midst of a war, where the war in the press is just as lively.



If you want to trust, despite massive evidence of lies on the part of the governments and media over the last 10 years, that is your choice.

As for me, the evidence tells me not to believe what I'm told by either source.




You have chosen to believe on side and some have chosen to believe the other side.

Perhaps you should pause for a few minutes and consider that both sides might be wrong or exagerating.



How patronising. Whatever makes you think I haven't given the whole situation deep consideration? I'll tell you what makes you think that - your false sense of superiority.


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I've said it before - read up on history and consider this:



Wow, nothing like a position based on self-inflation and little else.


In a country where Gadaffi is being a really good guy and is misunderstood by all other nations (including other nations in Africa and the Middle East), why is it that political opponents that speak out for free elections have to flee the country?


Because I speak out against the lies and deceit of the coalition governments, you assert that that means I've said that Ghadaffi is being a really good guy and is misunderstood by all other nations. What kind of nonsensical logic is that?

Do I also believe that Ghadaffi has been demonized to suit the greedy purpose of a psychotic cabal? Yes. Do I believe that NATO and the coalition have implemented a campaign of lies in order to do that? Yes. Are Ghadaffi's crimes worse than those of my own government? No.




Do you honestly believe that it is better to live in a refugee camp in another country and live on scraps thrown to them by nations that only do it out of pity?
To give up your life. Your culture. Your family. Leaving a trail of dead or imprisoned that didn't make it?


Sorry, I don't get your point at all here.
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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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Kaddafi will kill anyone in the blink of an eye



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 04:30 AM
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I am going to do something very irresponsible: Reply without reading all the comments. So, this is probably brought up and itself also been debunked. But what the heck.

If I'm reading this right, this report doesn't say that there aren't human rights violations. It just says that Libya wrote a report that said there aren't violations. In other words, it wasn't an independent evaluation. I am pretty sure that Libya is a bit biased when writing a report about themselves.

Ultimately, this is just a book report, and mulitple countries reviewed it after the fact
edit on 4-9-2011 by cuthbert because: Obscenely poorly written sentence. Yes, worse than even the ones I left. And I'm so tired that, at first I spelled it "Lybia" through the whole document.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 05:16 AM
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Nail. Head.

You have it exactly right and it is why that particular point has gone unanswered since I raised it several days ago....



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 05:59 AM
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Originally posted by HolgerTheDane

The images you see above, is the real crime against humanity ... it far exceeds any crimes Adolf Hitler did. It far exceeds any crimes, Stalin did.



This sentence alone, qualifies you as inhumane ...

A crime is not measured by it's quantity. But by it's meanness ... this crime, hits the children. It hits the coming generations of man ... so this crime, is worse than any crime made ever. Because it hits those absolute innocent ... not just the claimed innocent. It hits the unborn.

But to the hipocrit ... because these children aren't jews, they don't deserve attention.

This is a true crime against humanity, and even if it takes a thousand years ... believe me. It does not go unnoticed, nor will it go unpunished. And those who place their allegiance to those who comitted this crime, shall forever be unforgiven.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by cuthbert


If I'm reading this right, this report doesn't say that there aren't human rights violations. It just says that Libya wrote a report that said there aren't violations. In other words, it wasn't an independent evaluation. I am pretty sure that Libya is a bit biased when writing a report about themselves.



The same thing, applies to EVERY SINGLE country in the world.

Now, I want you to hold that thought of yours... hold it, right there. And now, ask yourself, what sort of NWO it is, that accepts a report from a country, but ignores the individuals who complain of their rights being violated.

They do that, because to them, it isn't the crime that counts. It's WHO does the crime. It isn't the nature of the crime, that is being committed, it is AGAINST WHO it is being committed.

Let us take germany, as an example. The german state, categorily criminalizes the the rebellious youth, that are thought to be neo nazis. They aren't neo nazis, in reality ... they're just rebellious youth. That's what youth does, in the 70's they smoked pot, danced naked and made sex with everything that walked. And when I say criminalize, it's not just an act of law making, saying that this activity is wrong. They activily force these young men, on the road towards criminality so they can be institutionalized. This is your freedom of speech and thought ... if it doesn't concurr with mainstream, you end up in the looney bin.

Now, you'd say .. Germany is a special case. Really? Every European country has their black list, even Denmark and Sweden, and if you are put on it. There is no way you'll get a job, and then they'll systematically have you fall of the social ladder, so you can be "institutionalized".

Every nation, I know of ... systematically violate human rights. People die in jail, in Denmark rebellious homeless youth get shot by mad cops and made the headline pictures across the world. The mad cop, with his face in gleeful joy as he shoots the youngsters with the rocks .. the palestinians in the jewish denmark. In sweden there are numerous people in jail, that haven't committed a crime. If you have a complaint, and complain ... you are likely to be categorily denied your rights, not by saying so ... but by ignoring you and making you "not exist".

People die, denied hospital care ... people die, beaten by cops ... people die, mutilated in jails.

And I am absolutely sure, that if we take things happening in the US, it will get far worse than that.

So, what is all this about ... we have one man comitting crimes, and instead of this one man, we put the fate of the people in the hands of many men, that commit violations. What do we give them? bread and water? better life? define better life ... are the children above, an example of a better life. And think about the answer one of the men gave, they're collateral damage. Can you imagine the evil in mens hearts ... you think they are qualified to judge who is or who isn't bad?

People claim they are making the future better, for the people. You and Me, are not innocent. Maybe we didn't take part in the fight, but we are a part of the politics. So is everyone on the planet, except for the unborn. But by waging the war, the land is poisoned, so the unborn die and are mutilated. This is the true crime ... beyond all other crimes. Because by waging a war, we are trying to protect the coming generations ... but by waging this war, the coming generations are mutilated, to various degrees. Does this get into your brain ... THIS IS A TRUE CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. I am not just claiming it to be, IT IS.

Any war, that has been fought, or is fought. We fight to gain control. We fight, we die. We kill our enemies, and there some perform murders in the extreme. But we are killing the people that are ... those who are a part of the world that is at war. No matter if you are christian, muslim or jewish. The people that make up our communities, are a part of our communities fight and are killed.

This war, did not kill those that make up the communities, and so do not change these communities. They kill their offspring, the unborn ... and thus, they mutilate and handicap the unborn generations. These are not wars, that are faught to save the coming generations ... it mutilates them.

Is this hard to undersand? Any human being, who even tries to categorily degrade or downplay the role of these children, and unborns. Is not a human being, he is a murderous insane monster, just like Hitler or Stalin, who thinks that the end, justifies the means. That is something, only monsters have on their minds.

This is a crime against humanity, and those who faught it ... should be on trial.

So, you understand. This isn't about Big G, and never was. It's about US and about the crimes, we allow to be committed before our eyes, and about the deception we accept as truths, to justify our crimes. You take Colin Powel, and the UN speech as an example. This is Lt. Colin Powel from Mai Lao ... who back in the 60's downplayed and called the murder of children, collateral damage.

Don't ever forget ...
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posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by bjarneorn

Originally posted by HolgerTheDane

The images you see above, is the real crime against humanity ... it far exceeds any crimes Adolf Hitler did. It far exceeds any crimes, Stalin did.



This sentence alone, qualifies you as inhumane ...

A crime is not measured by it's quantity. But by it's meanness ... this crime, hits the children. It hits the coming generations of man ... so this crime, is worse than any crime made ever. Because it hits those absolute innocent ... not just the claimed innocent. It hits the unborn.

But to the hipocrit ... because these children aren't jews, they don't deserve attention.

This is a true crime against humanity, and even if it takes a thousand years ... believe me. It does not go unnoticed, nor will it go unpunished. And those who place their allegiance to those who comitted this crime, shall forever be unforgiven.


I never questioned your pictures as being a true crime.

I pointed out that you cannot pretend that it is worse than Hitler and Stalin.

Even so - your post shows me as being the author of YOUR text.
Kindly correct it so that it read true:


Originally posted by HolgerTheDane

Originally posted by bjarneorn
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The images you see above, is the real crime against humanity ... it far exceeds any crimes Adolf Hitler did. It far exceeds any crimes, Stalin did.


It truly is a sorrowful sight, but to call it worse than Stalin and Hitler is stretching any concept of truth that exists.

Stalin was responsible for the killing of millions. Political persecution is but a part of it.

Hitler was responsible for the killing of millions. Political persecution is but a part of it.

And before you ask for proof. Go search for it. There is plenty to locate. In Hitlers case we don't even have to trust the Main Stream Media. The Nazis were very keen to film and photograph all their attrocities themselves. They documented everything. No lies there.

Read up on your history.
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You refrain from considering the war crimes and crimes against humanity that Stalin and Hitler perpetrated. You seem to believe that I only consider the jews as victims. This is not so. If you don't know who was the victims of Hitler and Stalins insanity - beside the jews - then you can find clues and fact all over the net.

And of course if you insist on the unborn being the worst victims I point you in the direction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Surely you'll agree that that kind of meanness far exceeds your othervise valid example of war crimes.
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posted on Sep, 8 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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What do you guys make of this?

LIBYA: NGOs call for Libya's suspension from the Human Rights Council


www.humanrights.asia...


The General Assembly contemplated the possibility that suspension of a member's rights in the Human Rights Council might be necessary in the event of serious deterioration in the human rights situation that state. Resolution 60/251, which created the Council, provides, in operative paragraph 8, that "the General Assembly, by a two-thirds majority of the members present and voting, may suspend the rights of membership in the Council of a member of the Council that commits gross and systematic violations of human rights."

The Libyan government of Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi, is committing "gross and systematic violations of human rights.” A variety of sources report numerous repeated attacks by the Libyan authorities on the civilian population of Libya, including by firing live ammunition at demonstrators. Many hundreds of demonstrators have been killed by Libyan state authorities.

Colonel Gaddafi has admitted the systematic intent behind the violence unleashed on the Libyan population and has given cause for substantial concern that further violence will occur. On February 22, Colonel Gaddafi spoke of protestors as "cats and dogs" and threatened to "cleanse Libya house by house."

His son Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi said on February 20 that the authorities would "fight to the last man and woman and bullet" in combating the protests and threatened that "rivers of blood" would flow.


Nothing new in that report. Protesters killed. But the question I have is why were there protesters? It is true Gaddafi has done for Libya what no other has done before, and seems to be on the side of the people. Who were these protesters and what exactly were their demands and why?!

Libya - Poverty and wealth


www.nationsencyclopedia.com...


The living standards of Libyans have improved significantly since the 1970s, ranking the country among the highest in Africa. Urbanization, developmental projects, and high oil revenues have enabled the Libyan government to elevate its people's living standards.

The social and economic status of women and children has particularly improved. Various subsidized or free services (health, education, housing, and basic foodstuffs) have ensured basic necessities. The low percentage of people without access to safe water (3 percent), health services (0 percent) and sanitation (2 percent), and a relatively high life expectancy (70.2 years) in 1998 indicate the improved living standards. Adequate health care and subsidized foodstuffs have sharply reduced infant mortality, from 105 per 1,000 live births in 1970 to 20 per 1,000 live births in 1998.

The government also subsidizes education, which is compulsory and free between the ages of 6 and 15. The expansion of educational facilities has elevated the literacy rate (78.1 in 1998). There are universities in Tripoli, Benghazi, Marsa el-Brega, Misurata, Sebha, and Tobruq. Despite its successes, the educational system has failed to train adequate numbers of professionals, resulting in Libya's dependency on foreign teachers, doctors, and scientists.

Many direct and indirect subsidies and free services have helped raise the economic status of low-income families, a policy which has prevented extreme poverty. As part of its socialist model of economic development,

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posted on Sep, 9 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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Hey, should I make a collage of all the posts I made about Gaddafi being set up? Since the start of this crisis in Libya, I told my pov and everyone dismissed it and called me crazy and a terrorist because I supported Gaddafi. I mean...it doesn't take a #ing genius to realize what's happening there is complete bull#. Read the about the Gold Dinar, read about the water programs, read about the unemployment/equality in Libya, what would make the population rise up against Gaddafi? Ever since Gaddafi said that the rebels were the work of Al Qaeda, I immediately knew who was responsible, just another NATO attempt to overthrow Gaddafi and install of pro-western monarch like King Idris. Notice the rebels flag? They're fighting for democracy while bearing the flag of the monarch, cool story. Jesus, I feel like a broken record here.. I don't know how many times I've tried convincing people that this Libyan # is a big fake, but everyone just believes what they hear in CNN/BBC. There's two kinds of people in America. Those who think they know because they heard it on the news, and those who just know. (That sounded a bit cocky...not intended)

So we can agree now for future purposes that RT is a LEGIT source of news? And confirm that Fox, CNN, BBC, and ESPECIALLY Al Jaazera (who started all the anti-Gaddafi claims) are HIGHLY untrustable?

Cool, I was getting exhausted trying to convince these ignorant people. Hopefully people will get a chance to read the article.
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