Libya: Extreme Disinformation

Thanks for this thread, I noticed that the one I was reading through yesterday disappeared for some reason, I'd seen the video before and watching all this very closely, I was much like you OP, but that video gave me a much needed slap in the face. I'd read/heard similar things but never gave them a lot of thought, now I'm feeling a sense of...something, things slotting into place thanks to the likes of wcitizen (one of my fave posters here).

reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze
"I am mad as Hell and I am not going to take it anymore!" Quote from a movie I once saw, cannot remember the name of it though. I feel as though there is no UN....it is really US and England. These wars are spurned on by paid destroyers of countries to get people all up and in arms with disinformation. It sounds to me that Lybia had it pretty good with the best humanitarian philosophy of anywhere. More humanitarian efforts made there than with any so called civilized country, they were free and we are slaves and the ones being lied to by our own country. This is done by the money corporations and for the oil, which we don't need there are other forms of energy being kept away from us. Did it break Lybia to give their people free energy? Did it destroy Lybia to share their wealth? No. We let the government take our mineral rights with our lands and water rights so some foreign investor can come in take it and sell it back to us. What is wrong with this picture people? We need to over throw our governments so we can be free for the first time and by our governments I mean the shadow governments who control the world. I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore. No more taxes without my representation. They control who goes into office and is their best puppet I am embarrassed for Obama and the other elected officials for truly they cannot be that stupid or are we the stupic ones for letting this go on for as long as it has gone on.

Remember when Bulgarian medics went to Libya to spread AIDS?
Gadaffi stopped them, unlike the rest of Africa, which is now happy because the corporations which introduced HIV and turned Africa into a giant experimental lab have finally found a cure for them! A very expensive cure, though, and many million infected by HIV

If any of these NATO-Libya conspiracies had any substance whatsoever then Al-Megrahi would have been extradited to the US.

Full Stop No excuses to accommodate the warped conspiracy

By the way we have things called history books. Quite inconvenient for most people. Try reading a few especially the ones about dictators, how the economy functions, how the bribes function, how the threats function and how the population behaves. The Gadaffi regime passes all the tests with flying colours.

Accusing the now free Libyan people of being NWO/NATO/US henchmen is insulting, You lot (with the vote every 4/5 years) should be ashamed of yourselves.

Have any of you taken the trouble to investigate the 1.5 million pro Gadaffi rally in July or have you accepted it without question like typical dictators cannon fodder?

Am I being insulting?, possibly, but no more than all this obscene pro Gaddafi propaganda is to millions of Libyans now longer living in fear.

Flame away, my conscience is clear....

BBC News Today

"We are also deeply concerned about reports that there are still thousands of people unaccounted for who were arrested or taken prisoner by Gaddafi security forces either earlier in the conflict, or before it even started," said a spokesperson for OHCHR.

For some in Libya, history is simply repeating itself. In the summer of 1996, stories began to filter out of the country about a mass killing in Tripoli's Abu Salim prison. Human Rights Watch (HRW) said that according to Libyan groups outside the country, up to 1,200 prisoners had died. The details were sketchy, however. HRW said the government initially denied that an incident had taken place. Only years later did Col Gaddafi acknowledge that there had been killings at Abu Salim.

The fate of those imprisoned 15 years ago will surely have been on the minds of the Libyans who have disappeared since the current conflict began in February this year.

In the main square in rebel-held Benghazi, families have posted up hundreds of photographs of the missing. It is assumed that many of them had been held in prisons and detention centres by pro-Gaddafi forces.

Human rights groups are now struggling to gather information about what has happened over the past few weeks. It is proving difficult to gauge the scale of the human rights abuses.


People were horrified to discover dozens of charred bodies on the weekend
HRW believes that at least 100 detainees have been killed. In the worst atrocity discovered so far, the charred skeletal remains of 45 bodies, still smouldering, were found in a warehouse in the Khalida Ferjan neighbourhood in Salahaddin, south of Tripoli. It is believed that those responsible were members of the Khamis Brigade, the military force that was run by one of Colonel Gaddafi's sons, Khamis.

Sure Gaddafi was a social policy genius.

I posted an email I received from Libya a cpl of weeks ago earlier in this thread and commented that no way could the comments in that email have been sent while Gaddafi was in power. That fear was the reality of his regime and the secret to his longevity - not his bloody genius! For all of our complaining about our governments I don't think I know anyone personally who has 'disappeared' because they dare criticise David Cameron.

And as for all that wonderful 'land is for all' policy that seems so popular on this thread. Come to Scotland where there is no law of trespass for very similar reasons to Libya. If you like the idea so much - do something to initiate it in your own locale.

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Can't help but remember smouldering bodies left after precise bombing with cluster bombs of populated areas in Serbia 1999, performed by British Harriers, or general Clark's precise bombing of Waco (Hey, Waco up America!), not to mention comparison of the latest CNN factory report from Gadaffi son's residence with Abu Ghraib pictures that circled the globe, or Guantanamo (sorry, no photographing there).

And, since this comment comes from Britain, to remember 30 million starved to death Indians, who were forced to grow cotton instead of food - Catch 22 comes to mind (both film and book) and cotton coated in chocolate by certain corporation which directed the WWII...

Atrocities are committed by both sides, but only the side which loses will perhaps pay for that. Even that is questionable, since we know that many Nazis who were supposed to pay for their crimes ended up high in corporate hierarchy. One of them even enabled America to spy on us from the orbit.

reply to post by christina-66

Sure Gaddafi was a social policy genius.

I posted an email I received from Libya a cpl of weeks ago earlier in this thread and commented that no way could the comments in that email have been sent while Gaddafi was in power. That fear was the reality of his regime and the secret to his longevity - not his bloody genius! For all of our complaining about our governments I don't think I know anyone personally who has 'disappeared' because they dare criticise David Cameron.

Sorry, you're going to have to do a hell of a lot better than some vague email you claim to have received from a person in Libya.

These two recent threads by the respectable CasiusIgnoranze are the final nail in the coffin for me:

DEBUNK THIS - There WERE NO human rights abuses in Libya according to UN Human Rights report

SHOCKING: Rebels indiscriminatly murder fleeing Gaddafi Supporters who were unarmed

*FOR THOSE THAT WAS TRYING TO DEBUNK*

Here u have video of "rebels" Leader himself on live TV says that the video of Green Squere is FAKED!

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


Well actually I won't and would refer you to the post above (not mine) asking you to reach for your history books and to hang your heads in shame for some of the absolute rot being spouted on these threads about Libya.

I'm no fan of capitalism - the opposite in fact - but I have a healthy respect for democracy and hope that we, and the Libyans, will actually achieve it successfully one day.

The overtly oppressive nature of Gaddafi's regime would have eventually led to his downfall - modern and global communication for the average Libyan citizen simply hastened the inevitable.

We, as you're probably aware, are the slaves of capitalism and propaganda operating under the guise of 'public relations' and 'marketing.'...but....and it's a biggy....we have the vote, choice and the opportunity to participate in the political process. Most of us choose not to bother and we end of with a bunch of class reject money grubbers in charge - and we wonder why we're being screwed....and then blame it all on everyone and everything else.

It took 18 days for the Egyptians to change their world, 6 months for the Libyans to change theirs, the Syrians are working on it (fatally) as we tippy tap type. How long do you think it will be before we can be bothered to change ours?

Originally posted by malcr
If any of these NATO-Libya conspiracies had any substance whatsoever then Al-Megrahi would have been extradited to the US.

Full Stop No excuses to accommodate the warped conspiracy

By the way we have things called history books. Quite inconvenient for most people. Try reading a few especially the ones about dictators, how the economy functions, how the bribes function, how the threats function and how the population behaves. The Gadaffi regime passes all the tests with flying colours.

Accusing the now free Libyan people of being NWO/NATO/US henchmen is insulting, You lot (with the vote every 4/5 years) should be ashamed of yourselves.

Have any of you taken the trouble to investigate the 1.5 million pro Gadaffi rally in July or have you accepted it without question like typical dictators cannon fodder?

Am I being insulting?, possibly, but no more than all this obscene pro Gaddafi propaganda is to millions of Libyans now longer living in fear.

Flame away, my conscience is clear....

none of that made sense

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seriously you sound like Hitler and Goebbels talking

reply to post by christina-66


and that news bs comes from the fascist corporate media of your banker masters .I guess you must be remembering the days of Der Sturmer of your beloved Hitler and Goebbels.After all western media follows the same strategies

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
reply to post by christina-66

 

and that news bs comes from the fascist corporate media of your banker masters .I guess you must be remembering the days of Der Sturmer of your beloved Hitler and Goebbels.After all western media follows the same strategies

Totally true. They never fret.

Thank you so much for this thread!

I never had even heard about Gaddafhis green book, that is a masterpiece! Human rights and anti-corporatism slavery all the way! That man was a revolutionary, he truly believed in what he fought for, and the people seem to love him (100-1000x more people cheer for him than for the rebels). When you listen to the man speak, he souds sincere. Is that propaganda or what, but everything he says clings true to me.

I wish someone could debunk his rhetoric vs. his actions, since after reading the green book it just sounds too good to be true.

reply to post by varikonniemi


check the national income of libya 14,000$.check the welfare,education and free housing facilities.
He gave oil wealth to his people and not like the so called democracies(which are statist fascist in nature) who loot the poor and give to the bankers.

Originally posted by deadeyedick

Originally posted by malcr
If any of these NATO-Libya conspiracies had any substance whatsoever then Al-Megrahi would have been extradited to the US.

Full Stop No excuses to accommodate the warped conspiracy

By the way we have things called history books. Quite inconvenient for most people. Try reading a few especially the ones about dictators, how the economy functions, how the bribes function, how the threats function and how the population behaves. The Gadaffi regime passes all the tests with flying colours.

Accusing the now free Libyan people of being NWO/NATO/US henchmen is insulting, You lot (with the vote every 4/5 years) should be ashamed of yourselves.

Have any of you taken the trouble to investigate the 1.5 million pro Gadaffi rally in July or have you accepted it without question like typical dictators cannon fodder?

Am I being insulting?, possibly, but no more than all this obscene pro Gaddafi propaganda is to millions of Libyans now longer living in fear.

Flame away, my conscience is clear....

none of that made sense

The fact that 'none of that made any sense' to you simply evidences the accuracy of the content.

And to all others who appear to reckon my views are naively based on msm - sadly they are not. Apart from experiencing the very real fear of his people at even daring to criticise the regime out loud - whether they be in our country or their own at the time made no difference.

Knowing the Scottish court system as well as I do - and having gone through an appeal recently in our highest court - I KNOW Megrahi had lodged 'Grounds of Appeal' and I KNOW the time scale required to submit a 'Note of Argument' - I KNOW that the Note of Argument contains ALL the juicy bits - it was due to be lodged in weeks - Megrahi was released - apparently on compassionate grounds - a convenient truth that negated the requirement for that Note of Argument top be lodged.

I KNOW that I have been absolutely worried sick about my friend during these past few months. I KNOW the absolute relief to know that he was still alive...and his mother safe....and I know how happy my friend is that they have shaken Gaddafi out of their lives. So if you all don't mind - I'll take MY information from MY horses mouth - not from you guys and not from MSM.

The Libyans came here to Scotland and said to me(!!) 'What kind of Islam is this being practiced here'? Why are women not allowed inside mosques?' In our ignorance and desire not to offend 'culture' we have allowed wahhabi Islam to flourish in the UK.

Conspiracy theory can sometimes be an oversimplification of reality.

Originally posted by DangerDeath

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
reply to post by christina-66

 

and that news bs comes from the fascist corporate media of your banker masters .I guess you must be remembering the days of Der Sturmer of your beloved Hitler and Goebbels.After all western media follows the same strategies

Totally true. They never fret.

This is an extremely insulting and thoughtless response to my original post. See above. It, in fact, demonstrates that your head is floating somewhere over the clouds - try planet earth once in a while - its not that bad.

reply to post by christina-66


Christhina you are one of few who understands this situation


NWO convinced people that you can't have democracy without brutal capitalism.
btw. I must say that communist convinced people that you can't have socialism without communism
it's crap

I believe in a free democratic social capitalist society where you can't privatize life necessities as your professor said -
water, gas and electricity
that must stay in national hands because state must take care of it's people.


btw. do you Americans know why your state was our ally through last 15 years?
we have large amounts of water
we already signed some form of crappy document with Obama concerning water, but our government won't say a thing about that - they know we would overthrow them
But we got wind in our back from USA in European politics almost instantly after selling our water

reply to post by Dinamo


To join an anti-capitalist group today is the ONLY sane political/social move forward. That doesn't mean that we turn our backs on democracy or deny others the same rights as we want for ourselves.

I firmly believe that the advantages of this global era of communication and through learning from others' mistakes, the Libyans will make a good job of rebuilding their country by 'standing on the shoulders of giants' so to speak.

The Libyans have not been trapped in a bubble for the past 40 years - they know the damage rampant capitalism causes. They know the value of their oil. Only today they rejected UN 'peacekeeping' ground troops being sent there. They aren't fools.

BBC News

I have such admiration for them - and the Tunisians - and the Egyptians - and I'm praying for the Syrians.