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reply posted on 28-8-2011 @ 09:23 PM by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS
This is interesting and it reminds me of a very valueble and powerful book. Its title is "The biography of zero :A dangerous idea", and I forgot who the author was. Anyway, he shares a bit of information about our past history dealing with zero and how the concept was foreign to greece. Blood was shed over the concept of zero. He concludes zero is poorly understood and its concepts exceed the boundaries of the english language.
For example we say things like, a babies first day when 24 hrs isn't even passed. Zero and infinity go hand and hand. I understand what you are trying to convey, but I cannot see where the issue lies. I wish I had the book to show you some of the formulas he created dealing with zero and infinity.
Please research the book, you will appreciate it, it is a rare gem.

but when the reference of everything that exists is traced back to its beginnings, and it is determined to not have a beginning and there was never an absolute nothing

I totally agree, zero is a concept or an instrument, that we use to understand time, in a human fashion. It really doesn't have a place outside of the human reality or measuring energy. I mean, it is very, very hard for some to even imagine the concept infinity, when everything we do is kind of linear based on life and death, beginning and end. Humans assume everything has a start and a finish.But energy is infinite. It is a difficult task for the tiny human consciousness to wrap around that concept. I hope I didn't go totally left with this but, if I did, just check out the book


reply posted on 28-8-2011 @ 09:28 PM by Mister_Bit
Originally posted by requireduser
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
Originally posted by requireduser
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
Originally posted by requireduser

Now this is interesting because I don;t actually accept negative numbers...


i got 5 oranges, but i am suppose to give you 8 oranges, i owe you 3 oranges,

5 - 8 = -3

Give me with -3 oranges...


,
i got 3 oranges = 3
i owe him 3 oranges = -3
but if you don't accept negative numbers, i believe you shouldn't accept positive number either.

my wallet got 40, and i want to buy this stuff that price around 60, i lack 20.

If you only have 40 you can't pay 60... impossible
If you only have 5 oranges you can't give me 8... impossible
You cannot own -3 oranges or give me -3 oranges... impossible

Negative numbers are theoretical, you simply cannot have less than nothing.


my wallet got 40, i know i can't pay 60, but i want to know how much should i withdraw from the bank in order for me to be able to purchase this stuff.

40 - 60 = -20 (from my view) i got 40, but this thing is 60, so, i lack 20.
60 - 40 = 20 (from the shopkeeper view) my stuff is 60, and u only got 40, so you need to get another 20.

negative & positive number exists because there is always a 2 views.

and this makes 0 really interesting

To buy that item at 60 you have to pay 60... regardless of 20 here, 10 there, 30 in 3 weeks... to equal 60 you need 60... see what I mean?

You can have 10, 20, 40 whatever in your wallet, but do you have -30... no, it doesn't physically exist other that in a manmade contractual concept.


reply posted on 28-8-2011 @ 09:30 PM by jerryznv
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Numbers, letters, words, language are all man made entities defined by man whereas zero(nothing) and infinity(infinite) just are.


And I will disagree...zero is a man made denomination...introduced by man and equated into mathematics by man...infinity...well another way of describing what man does not understand...but a man made expression all the same...would we agree on that?


reply posted on 28-8-2011 @ 09:38 PM by Mister_Bit
Originally posted by jerryznv
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Numbers, letters, words, language are all man made entities defined by man whereas zero(nothing) and infinity(infinite) just are.


And I will disagree...zero is a man made denomination...introduced by man and equated into mathematics by man...infinity...well another way of describing what man does not understand...but a man made expression all the same...would we agree on that?

I'd agree only in the way that "infinity" or "zero" could just have easily been named "roger" or "geoffrey" the "physical" article ZERO is nothing.
Infinity in my opinion is equal to "more than nothing" and all the possible "physicals" that could be rather than something unknown and not understood.
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reply posted on 28-8-2011 @ 09:47 PM by requireduser
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
Originally posted by requireduser
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
Originally posted by requireduser
Originally posted by Mister_Bit
Originally posted by requireduser

Now this is interesting because I don;t actually accept negative numbers...


i got 5 oranges, but i am suppose to give you 8 oranges, i owe you 3 oranges,

5 - 8 = -3

Give me with -3 oranges...


,
i got 3 oranges = 3
i owe him 3 oranges = -3
but if you don't accept negative numbers, i believe you shouldn't accept positive number either.

my wallet got 40, and i want to buy this stuff that price around 60, i lack 20.

If you only have 40 you can't pay 60... impossible
If you only have 5 oranges you can't give me 8... impossible
You cannot own -3 oranges or give me -3 oranges... impossible

Negative numbers are theoretical, you simply cannot have less than nothing.


my wallet got 40, i know i can't pay 60, but i want to know how much should i withdraw from the bank in order for me to be able to purchase this stuff.

40 - 60 = -20 (from my view) i got 40, but this thing is 60, so, i lack 20.
60 - 40 = 20 (from the shopkeeper view) my stuff is 60, and u only got 40, so you need to get another 20.

negative & positive number exists because there is always a 2 views.

and this makes 0 really interesting

To buy that item at 60 you have to pay 60... regardless of 20 here, 10 there, 30 in 3 weeks... to equal 60 you need 60... see what I mean?

You can have 10, 20, 40 whatever in your wallet, but do you have -30... no, it doesn't physically exist other that in a manmade contractual concept.


i see what you mean, but do you see what i mean?
i got 60 in my wallet, but inside this 60, the 40 is not mine, it is my friend money, he just temporarily put the 40 inside my wallet, yeah it is inside my wallet, but it is not my money.
so i can said i got 20, and his 40 which i represent with -40, because my wallet total money got to minus this 40 in order to get my own money.

i said, i got 20
i said, i got his 40

i said, i got 20
i said, i got -40

u see?


reply posted on 28-8-2011 @ 09:48 PM by jerryznv
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Infinity in my opinion is equal to "more than nothing" and all the possible "physicals" that could be rather than something unknown and not understood.


Well in that case...you have accomplished the same thing that mathematicians before you have accomplished...you have named something as you see it...and that is possibly the same product that your predecessors pointed to!

Congratulations...your opinion might change the mathematical world!

You have a point from a world view...but it does not change the equations that we have learned at all does it?


reply posted on 28-8-2011 @ 09:49 PM by requireduser
Originally posted by Doublemint
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but you dont pick you do them all at the same time.


care to explain a little bit what you mean by do them all at the same time.
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