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Originally posted by Blinded
The biggest challenge to todays physicists is how to reconcile general relativity and quantum mechanics. However, these two pillars of modern science were bound to be incompatible. "The universe of general relativity is a smooth rubber sheet. It is continuous and flowing, never sharp, never pointy. Quantum mechanics, on the other hand, describes a jerky and discontinuous universe. What the two theories have in common -- and what they clash over -- is zero." "The infinite zero of a black hole -- mass crammed into zero space, curving space infinitely -- punches a hole in the smooth rubber sheet. The equations of general relativity cannot deal with the sharpness of zero. In a black hole, space and time are meaningless."
Infinity is a starting point. I argue that infinity is THE starting point of the universe due to the fact that energy is neither created nor destroyed. So mathematically, energy looks like (energy) times infinity. So you have infinitely lasting energy, and you also have infinity. No matter the operation, infinity cannot be separated from anything. The existence of anything can be traced back to infinity and still has its connection with infinity.
Originally posted by lkpuede
Originally posted by Smack
reply to post by chr0naut
And let's not forget the exhaustive treatise: "Principia Mathematica". en.wikipedia.org...
I think the OP has a lot of studying left to do.
you know he, like about 95% of people around these parts, just dream # up and then post it. it's makes no sense. it's 0+0+17. if he was so convinced about his theoy, he'd publish it. plain and simple. he, like anyone else, can put together a paper and submit it for peer review. he doesn't have to have a doctorate. he doesn't even have to have a GED. just put a paper together in the correct format and send it in.
but he won't do that...he'll sit all day and watch his post. see who else commented on it, so his day has some meaning.
however, at the end of the day, it will just be a bunch of words on the ATS forum that we can entertain ourselves with.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Originally posted by Blinded
The biggest challenge to todays physicists is how to reconcile general relativity and quantum mechanics. However, these two pillars of modern science were bound to be incompatible. "The universe of general relativity is a smooth rubber sheet. It is continuous and flowing, never sharp, never pointy. Quantum mechanics, on the other hand, describes a jerky and discontinuous universe. What the two theories have in common -- and what they clash over -- is zero." "The infinite zero of a black hole -- mass crammed into zero space, curving space infinitely -- punches a hole in the smooth rubber sheet. The equations of general relativity cannot deal with the sharpness of zero. In a black hole, space and time are meaningless."
Well perhaps these problems arise from assuming that 0 has an existence when it clearly does not. It is assumed that 0 is a working number when it clearly is not.
It should truly be replaced with infinity so at least the derivation of any number has that original potential for the manifestation.
In 0 there is no potential. 0 is disclusive even to itself. Infinity is inclusive even to itself. This is the main difference between 0 and infinity. Both are formless.
Originally posted by jerryznv
reply to post by smithjustinb
Understand....I know what you mean about infinity...but zero...really can it be disputed in a mathematical way that makes sense...I would love to hear it....2 - 2 is still nothing...and that is what zero represents....so how do you come up with and infinite possible in that equation?
Of course we don't want to infer religion into this but infinity is a symbol that carry a weight of understanding in mathematics...are you purposing a change?
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Originally posted by lkpuede
Originally posted by Smack
reply to post by chr0naut
And let's not forget the exhaustive treatise: "Principia Mathematica". en.wikipedia.org...
I think the OP has a lot of studying left to do.
you know he, like about 95% of people around these parts, just dream # up and then post it. it's makes no sense. it's 0+0+17. if he was so convinced about his theoy, he'd publish it. plain and simple. he, like anyone else, can put together a paper and submit it for peer review. he doesn't have to have a doctorate. he doesn't even have to have a GED. just put a paper together in the correct format and send it in.
but he won't do that...he'll sit all day and watch his post. see who else commented on it, so his day has some meaning.
however, at the end of the day, it will just be a bunch of words on the ATS forum that we can entertain ourselves with.
Actually my friend, I have an overriding intention to at some point publish a book, but in order to do so, I'll need more than one page of information. Actually, I'd rather have the information out there so that others may benefit from it in some way than to selfishly sit on it and keep it to myself. If I were to die before I published the book, then the information would be lost, and that would be extremely selfish of me.
Nevertheless, I will always post to the public before I gather all I know into a single book and publish it for profit.
Originally posted by kbriggss
If you believe in infinity you must believe anything that can be measured exists in infinity.
Time = Never started or will never end
Size = you can not achieve the smallest or biggest particle
Temperature = there is no coldest or hottest temperature
Can you think of any other measurements that fall into this way of thinking
Maybe speed? That one is always related to perception of where you measure from but in infinity everything is moving and will never attain non movement. You may feel still but the planet is moving, as is our solar system and the viewable universe we are within.
Can you think of any more?
Originally posted by AuirOverrun
Both Infinity and zero do not physically exist. There is nothing that goes on forever, and zero is the term we give to the absence of quantity.
It can't be there because the reason it is is because there isn't anything there. If you think about it, it's like the darkness. Light rays allow us to see, however when the light rays are gone there is darkness. But there are no Dark rays, meaning the darkness isn't actually there. So you're trying to compare and relate two things that don't even exist.
However, mathematically speaking, Zero DOES exist, and infinity again does not. Say i had a bag of apples (let's call this bag A) and you had a bag of apples (B) now, in A there are five apples. In B, zero. If you give me all the apples in your bag you have given me zero apples. If x is the apples in your bag and y the apples in mine, x+y=y.
If i asked you how many apples you had, your answer would be zero.edit on 29-8-2011 by AuirOverrun because: (no reason given)edit on 29-8-2011 by AuirOverrun because: (no reason given)