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Originally posted by 7th_Chakra
That value is imprinted within the soul of every living man, woman and child. It is also taught to nearly every culture in the world. Wither or not people listen is another thing, it has NOTHING to do with being a mason or not.
If you weren't a mason I bet you would still have that value.
From "The Lost Keys Of Freemasonry" by Manly P. Hall
The true student realizes most of all that the taking of degrees does not make a man a Mason. A Mason is not appointed; he is evolved and he must realize that the position he holds in the exoteric lodge means nothing compared to his position in the spiritual lodge of life. He must forever discard the idea that he can be told or instructed in the sacred Mysteries or that his being a member of an organization improves him in any way. He must realize that his duty is to build and evolve the sacred teachings in his own being: that nothing but his own purified being can unlock the door to the sealed libraries of human consciousness, and that his Masonic rites must eternally be speculative until he makes them operative by living the life of the mystic Mason.
Originally posted by dribbler
I do see wehre it could be misconstrued due to the fact that you allow any type of religion into your society.
Are there any religions you do not allow in?
Originally posted by df1
It seems that what you are saying is that "a man must already be Mason in his heart" before he joins the fraternity. I have read this in many places and believe it to be true.
The following words from a Masonic scholar further support your proposition.
From "The Lost Keys Of Freemasonry" by Manly P. Hall
The true student realizes most of all that the taking of degrees does not make a man a Mason. A Mason is not appointed; he is evolved and he must realize that the position he holds in the exoteric lodge means nothing compared to his position in the spiritual lodge of life. He must forever discard the idea that he can be told or instructed in the sacred Mysteries or that his being a member of an organization improves him in any way. He must realize that his duty is to build and evolve the sacred teachings in his own being: that nothing but his own purified being can unlock the door to the sealed libraries of human consciousness, and that his Masonic rites must eternally be speculative until he makes them operative by living the life of the mystic Mason.
Originally posted by Sarahko
Dribbler dear
I think you did the right thing (I never read your posts so dont know what you wrote against the Masons)....but, whatever you said - you felt inside of you that you needed to apologize - you could have easily left this site, or logged on again with a different name - but no, you came back, apologized and as I said in an earlier post, I think that was very noble of you.
If more people could be more humble in life and admit their mistakes - well, I think we would have fewer problems in the world...
But, Dribb darling, now that you have apologized, dont go trying to create more antagonisms stemming from preconceived perceptions - listen, read and educate yourself upon the subject and then and only then post your (aggressive) opinions - until then, ask questions only,,,, there is a lot to learn....
Originally posted by theron dunn
Originally posted by dribbler
I do see wehre it could be misconstrued due to the fact that you allow any type of religion into your society.
Are there any religions you do not allow in?
Satanists...
Originally posted by Jamuhn
Originally posted by theron dunn
Originally posted by dribbler
I do see wehre it could be misconstrued due to the fact that you allow any type of religion into your society.
Are there any religions you do not allow in?
Satanists...
Atheists....
And what if a Satanist believes in God, but worships Satan. Do Masons ask about religious affiliation?
Originally posted by 7th_Chakra
That value is imprinted within the soul of every living man, woman and child. It is also taught to nearly every culture in the world. Wither or not people listen is another thing, it has NOTHING to do with being a mason or not.
If you weren't a mason I bet you would still have that value.
Originally posted by The Axeman
or trying to "prove" that the Freemasons worship Baphomet or some other such nonsense.
That one will now go on the "must read" list which is quickly becoming quite long.
Originally posted by Jamuhn
Atheists....
Originally posted by AlexKennedy
MPH wrote "The Lost Keys of Freemasonry" years before becoming a Freemason -- on the other hand, I agree with the excerpt provided by DF1. I'm not sure all of the book is that reliable, though.
Originally posted by AlexKennedy
"Baphomet" is a medieval French mis-pronunciation of the name of the Prophet Mohammed (MPBUH).
MPH wrote "The Lost Keys of Freemasonry" years before becoming a Freemason -- on the other hand, I agree with the excerpt provided by DF1. I'm not sure all of the book is that reliable, though.
Originally posted by The Axeman
Well that excerpt certainly represented the Masons in a warm light, why would you say that it is unreliable?
Originally posted by AlexKennedy
Actually, just for your information, I was a very angry person before I became a Mason (you may see some of that trickle through the internet even now). I did not embrace that value fully until after I became a Freemason. Why is it so hard to believe that people can be taught something, and can change? Or is it just that your mind won't allow you to believe that Freemasonry can improve its members?
Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
If you say something long enough, you believe it is true. Some people prefer darkness to light.
Originally posted by AlexKennedy
... we seem to have embraced the opposite poison: no-one's even slightly responsible for their own life, so why bother trying to raise yourself above mediocrity?
Originally posted by theron dunn
Folks that criticize masons do so for a couple of reasons:
Skepticism. they think that since their lives are what they are that no one else can make a change
Small spirits... they can't stand it that someone might be making themselves better and want to drag them back into the muck in which they live. These are the same folks that criticize christians for being "holier than thou".
fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of being rejected...