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Florida's urine test for poor people yields results

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posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 05:06 AM
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and you know what for all you people crying about a miserable 186 million....really how much difference does that really make in the big scheme of things...ok so some people are abusing the system...but i ask you how many polititions and CEO's of large bussiness abuse the system and which one of the two is the bigger drain....
im mean wake the F up people...

we all know the equation of the rich to poor,its like what 5% own 95% of the wealth....so do the math


peace




posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 05:18 AM
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Originally posted by here4awhile
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sorry I'm tired and I can't seem to make myself make sense so I'm just gunna ask that you ignore that...

I don't know what part about ponzy scheme...or paying more to implement it than "saving" in the process you don't get...but I'm just gonna do one final facepalm for the night and head to bed...and it's pretty much recognized that most of these people who are supposedly not getting paid...are still going to be paid one way or another...whether it be they have kids or go to rehab or however else they'd be able to get it...only a small percent of them will be cut off until they can reapply...

/facepalm
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Man you must be tired because you still dont get it, they are not spending more than they are saving.
It says that the reimbursement cost $28,000 to $43,000 a month.
$43,000 x 12 =$516,000
The savings from 1 months rejections equals $32,000 to $48,000 and since failing once means no welfare for 1 year then
$48,000 x 12 = $576,000
a savings of $60,000 based on those figures which they expect to change. Hence a net savings, not spending more than saving. I don't know how you could misunderstand any longer. Maybe you should sleep a little longer than usual today.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 05:18 AM
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Test the government, all this is going to do is increase crime...



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 05:19 AM
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so what does a pass a drug test to get welfare really do? well lets put it this way. hard to get a job with drug testing for those who use and may be addicted. now may have problems getting assistance as well. so where are these "DRUGGIES" gonna get money not only to try to live on but for drugs? well if you can't earn money legally that only leaves illegal employment. so sure they may save a few pennies on the welfare end of the stick, but they are gonna have to pay even more for things like police and jails. not to mention the poor public will have to deal with even more crime.
:shk:

drugs ARE a problem, one that will never go away as far as i can see. legality doesn't matter, cost really doesn't matter, peer pressure doesn't matter, not even jail really matters to a user (yes drugs DO make it into prisons for a price). all that matters is the ESCAPE from reality or at least numbing you to an extent. until you can make the underlying cause, the reason WHY people do drugs (including alcohol) go away, the drug problem never will. taking away income certainly isn't going to help.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 05:56 AM
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Originally posted by starchild10
I can't believe this is happening or that people on this sort of forum would support it. I thought we were against Big Brother?

Most are against big brother getting bigger and spending money on unnecessary entitlements.

What business is it of others whether people are on drugs or not?

Its is the buisness of every working American whos tax dollars those on entitlements recieve.
If they have to be tested in order to be taxed, then why shouldn't the ones recieving the tax money be tested as well?

Apart from which being hooked on drugs is a an addiction, a medical/psychological condition. So you would make the whole family suffer for this?

Life is all about situations and choices. If you put yourself in a bad situation and then make the wrong choice, you have no one but yourself to blame.

This is all so Orwellian. How long before you are refused welfare because you simply don't 'fit'?

Too late, ever heard of affirmative action?

It's a slippery slope.
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It's not as slippery as some try to make it.


Dry your eyes and bandage the bleeding heart.
Quad



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 06:16 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 06:36 AM
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60k a year is chump change a rounding error, and according to the op they are still tabulating the results.

whos tabulating it, volunteers? the inherent inefficiencies of bureaucracy will ruin the best of plans, this isnt one of those plans, not even close.

as i outlined in my previous post, this is merely a method of transferring tax dollars into the governors pocket via the drug testing lab that has been established as being owned by him.

stop defending this, its wrong.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by hopenotfeariswhatweneed
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quad...u make me sick...thats about all i have to say...

Oh for pete's sake, grow up. Bleeding hearts are the reason we have so many poor and why they are being used to win elections. most liberals think they are helping but they just add to the problem.
You really want to help people? Educate them, teach them to be self sufficient, build up their self worth. Don't just throw money at them. That just adds to the problem.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 06:53 AM
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What taxpayer has payed any money toward welfare? We borrow money instead. Not one red cent of anyone's tax dollars goes to pay for welfare.

But now the ones on Drugs will now be looking to rob you for that few hundred a week.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
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What taxpayer has payed any money toward welfare? We borrow money instead. Not one red cent of anyone's tax dollars goes to pay for welfare.

But now the ones on Drugs will now be looking to rob you for that few hundred a week.

I think your logic is a little flawed. Taxpayer money doesn't go to welfare? Really?
It's all paid for by borrowing, you say?
Not one red cent?

EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE, WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO PAY THAT MONEY BACK? SANTA CLAUSE? OR OBAMA'S STASH?
Grow up and get a clue.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 07:45 AM
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When are the biggest recipients of welfare going to be tested?

THE BANKERS

Also, politicians, cops, etc. get paid with my tax money. Test them too.

Why don't we just test everyone and put that info in a big database somewhere to be used against a person?

Oh wait...that crap is already happening.

[/sarcasm]
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posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 07:56 AM
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I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE. WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY MY TAXES WHEN THE CIA IS JUST GOING TO GIVE IT TO DRUG CARTELS?



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by links234
A full 2% of Floridian welfare recipients, or about 2000 people won't be getting state benefits.

With roughly 100,000 recipients forced to pay for their screening costing $30 the companies in charge of the screening (particularly Mr. Governor's business) will rake in $3 million. He did however, manage to save the state $98,000 of the $138 million the program costs.

Welfare drug-testing yields 2% positive results

ETA: I feel the need to add that I don't support this policy in the slightest, it's absurd and the results fly in the face of those who wholeheartedly believe that those on welfare are the 'scum' of the earth just taking tax payer money and using it to buy drugs instead of food or pay their bills. Good job Rick Scott, you saved your state $100,000 a year and increased your bank account by $3 million.
edit on 28-8-2011 by links234 because: More thoughts.


So your a Socialist? Can you tell me when that has ever worked in history. Tyrants love that system of Government.

To clarify your post,

Those who test drug-free are reimbursed by the state, and those who fail cannot receive benefits for a year.

That is fair and you shouldn't be using my money for your drugs. The Food stamps are meant for food. Also, Gov. Scott Does not own the drug testing company, not sure where you got that from.

anyone receiving any type of government benefit should be tested, including politicians.

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posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 09:22 AM
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I have no right to impose my moral beliefs on anyone!

I have no right to restrict someone's God-given freedom, if he offends me I simply turn the other cheek!

We should only be punishing people that have done harm to others!

Levels of ignorance are reaching "cult of personality" status, jeeez.

edit: In b4 typical "these welfare rats don't deserve anything" blablabla

I am talking about the big picture here, part of a large pattern effecting all of us.



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posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 09:53 AM
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Good ole government



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 09:58 AM
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just heart- less to say .....



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 10:00 AM
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$100,000 per year is probably way less than they are paying the person in charge of running this program, much ess all the support personel that are required.

Does everyone know that Governor Scott's company was found guilty of the biggest Medicare ripoff in our country's history? This is who you are dealing with.

He is also a "religous" man. I am willing to bet that if there is a God, that he has a special place in hell for Scott anfd the likes of him. Of course he probably doesn't think he is doing anything wrong. Biz is biz, church is church and the two don't mix or so it goes........



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by Nutter


Why don't we just test everyone and put that info in a big database somewhere to be used against a person?

Oh wait...that crap is already happening.


Don't waste your breath, some people just don't get it.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 10:08 AM
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If I was a Floridian I'd be livid that the governor had the audacity to try and line his pockets by making tax payers pay for invasive and fruitless drug testing.

If someone is on welfare and they are on drugs, they need treatment and guidance, not to be left with nowhere to turn.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 10:10 AM
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Time to demand the politicians take a damn drug test, and why have we not done this long ago. I'll bet we get a higher positive than 2%. 2% is a non issue!



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