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Florida's urine test for poor people yields results

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posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 07:07 AM
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So if they are a drug addict they are already spending the money meant for their kids, at least now it may go to someone more responsible and actually get to their kids. I work 60 to 70 hours a week to make ends meet so why should I pay for someones drug habit. I believe in a help up...not a hand out. Give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Now if he refuses to fish and does drugs instead then I say stop giving him fish.




posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 07:17 AM
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They might have been testing for those drugs specifically, and sure it can be detected if there is a certain level of toxicity left in your system. For a good deal of those drugs its only a window of a few hours to a few days. Marijuana is the easiest to detect because it collects in your fat cells unlike harder drugs like meth.

Most pre-employment drug screenings, and quite possibly the screenings done in this case are not nearly as intensive as the tests required for court ordered probation.
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posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 07:38 AM
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Fact is just because someone is on welfare AND drugs doesn't mean they are not spending money on food. In family cases, it doesn't mean they are not feeding or looking after their children. Maybe they are pimping their body. What business is it of yours?
Maybe they eat a lot of fast food, or spend money on porn films etc or maybe just maybe they support a political party you disapprove of. See where I am going with this?
The ONLY thing that should count is where there is a child at risk. But even in this case, presumably the US has child protection legislation?
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posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 08:17 AM
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o.k did any one do the math on how the article was posted and where did the info come from. if 2,000 people are not going to get benifits and it only saved $100,000 that means that each one that tested positive only gets $50.00 per year. ???? really i think the info is scewed. plus there is more than 100,000 people on welfare in florida, so all the testing is not done yet. most of the people on welfare in my state of colorado get 500-700 per month. for rent, food, etc. i was on welfare for awhile about 4 months when i was going thru hard times and would not have minded one bit to be drug tested during this period of my life. and according to that it would save florida $1,000,000 - $1,400,000 per month!!!!!! not per year. think about that. now this is still 8 years to recoupe the money but not every is tested yet. i'm sorry but i feel this is a great program. simple because why should working folks who most of them have to get drug screened to work have to pay for those on welfare who do drugs not to work. thank you for your time.



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by pshea38
Next let's take all welfare entitlements from those who drink alcohol and/or
smoke tobacco.
Fair is only fair.


yeah, since they are on welfare they get medical, with the outcome from smoking or alcohol, God Forbid, they will be paying their medical bills, wow, I am so disgusted that they are doing this, making these people pay 30 dollars, and wtf you can't buy drugs with foodstamps lmao, so I heard.



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 08:57 AM
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I havnt read the entire thread i admit. Ive only got one thing to say about this......


Its not hard to pass a drug test. If you know a date, time & location. People act like drug tests are infallable when they are most deffinately not.

MOTF!



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by lilowl53
I personally feel this is a great idea, and I also think that if this was done in Virginia, the percent would be much higher. A few houses down are some serious crack heads who sell their food stamps for cash and drugs, and they don't even try to hide it.
My family has suffered a loss in jobs and so forth, but insted of asking for a hand out, we planted our own garden and make a little money a a farmers market, and although I know a lot of people don't have the land for this, it is just something to think about as an alternative.


You do what? You grow food and sell it? Do you realize that now you must comply with regulations from the FDA? I hope you have all your documentation ready or are ready to be carted off to jail. You should have your food tested in labs before selling it to the public. How many cats/animals have defecated in your gardens, raising the chance of spreading disease? How do we know that you don't use drugs and flake out on all the food safety procedures and thus make bad judgements on fertilizer use and such? I think your behavior is much more riskier to society then having someone on welfare smoking pot.



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 09:06 AM
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Well I say a little savings is better than none and sooner or later more people will get caught. Locally men don't get money just because they don't feel like working but women do because they have a pack to feed and usuallly there's a man ot two added in.



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by jhn7537
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Why should I care to support welfare recipients??? Why am I working my tail off for them? I'm here on this planet to look out for myself, I came from nothing, I paid my own way through college working multiple jobs and I made it work, these people who take welfare can do what i did, its not impossible....


Actually they would probably have taken your job. People on drugs create more opportunities for those that are not. If everyone on drugs quit and that means they were able to get jobs, then in our current economy wages would fall severly, giving you all less money than what you have after paying for these welfare benefits in the first place (Evne though you really don't pay for them.)



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by colin42
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How do you know that this poor person is not a rich person who brought EBT tokens cheap? Or a rich person that traded drugs for EBT tokens.

Do you take the number plate of these big cars and report these people?


Then they are still breaking the law by doing that.It is against the law to sell your foodstamps off even though it happens on a reguler basis becuase they don't have the needed money to police it.I see people who abuse the welfare system daily people that come in and have a stack of EBT cards with different names on them with the same picture sometimes from multiple states.,I do not disagree that there are people that need it but there is also many many more that abuse the system and have more children as a means to get more free money from the state.



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by colin42
reply to post by skeeterslint
 


How do you know that this poor person is not a rich person who brought EBT tokens cheap? Or a rich person that traded drugs for EBT tokens.

Do you take the number plate of these big cars and report these people?


Then they are still breaking the law by doing that.It is against the law to sell your foodstamps off even though it happens on a reguler basis becuase they don't have the needed money to police it.I see people who abuse the welfare system daily people that come in and have a stack of EBT cards with different names on them with the same picture sometimes from multiple states.,I do not disagree that there are people that need it but there is also many many more that abuse the system and have more children as a means to get more free money from the state.



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by relpobre000
 


Why should I care to support welfare recipients??? Why am I working my tail off for them? I'm here on this planet to look out for myself, I came from nothing, I paid my own way through college working multiple jobs and I made it work, these people who take welfare can do what i did, its not impossible....


I'd rather have my taxes spent on helping human beings than killing them with weapons of mass destruction any day of the week.

Have you seen the amount of money spent on the Military Industrial Complex..you're working your tail off for those too. Killing lots of people, sure costs a lot of money.

What about Pharmaceuticals, have you seen the money going into the pockets of these corporations from your worked off tail's efforts?

Ironically, and conversely how about the many, many $Billions of your tax dollars spent on detecting and locking people away over Marijuana?

A better option would be to decriminalise marijuana, allow people to self medicate and screw bigpharma profits at human beings expense, and save multi-billions of dollars to detect and imprison innocent people who medicate or enjoy a recreational drug other than toxic alcohol or tobacco.

If you think denying money to a handful of your countrymen and women on benefits who prefer to enjoy a drug that doesn't rot their livers or give them heart disease or cancer, is going to make the slightest difference to anything or anyone other than a few 'select' testing houses profit margins, you're ill informed mate.

The US has much bigger fish to fry and much larger money pit's than you seem to know.



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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If they test clean, they are reimbursed the thirty dollars. If they test positive, well, they don't need to be spending taxpayer money on drugs anyways.

I've been drug tested in every job I have ever had. From when I was in the military twenty years ago, to the job I have now. I want the paycheck, so I do what is required.

If I was on the government dole, I wouldn't be bitching about it, unless I was making a habit of cashing my assistance check to go score some drugs.



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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How quickly do they reimburse? For me $30 would be needed back within 1 or 2 weeks or I would simply have to not pay part of one of my bills.I don't think it is fair to ask people who live on $600-$1000 month to scrafice a bill then if the person tests postive the kids are affected. I also heard poppy seeds and some foods can provide a postive result what about those cases?

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edit on 29-8-2011 by dreamseeker because: (no reason given)

I also believe it is singling out a group of people now they apply this all across the board for EVERYONE it not fair to stereotype a group of people! The fact only 2% tested postive shows that MOST people on assistance are not in drugs!
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posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 07:02 PM
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My bills total over 2000 a month but my income is only 600, and you goody two shoes expect me
to remain calm under these sort of circumstances?!

Let me smoke my occassional joint on the weekends to ease the pain.



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 09:13 PM
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If only we could all grow a little "peace garden" along with our tomatoes, corn and squash.

Then the cartels in Mexico would have 90% less to kill other Mexicans over. Then the ATF would not need to send 2000+ semi-auto rifles over there, and we as taxpayers could save several billion+ on turds who can't get a job except to give the average Joe a shakedown on a regular basis.

Then we could send the billions saved to rehab centers for those who have serious addiction problems like alcohol, meth, heroin and MOSTLY prescription narcotics, benzos, anti-depressants etc......

And then those same turds using the same drugs that they are shaking peaceful citizens down over, could be "welfare tested" just like the rest of the folks who can't find a "yob".



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 09:18 PM
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i see alot of people on this thread who would be more than willing to narc on their neighbor for the good of the govt.
we are so screwed.



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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I would rather narc on the govt than my neighbor, but due to MSM brainwashing in these parts, I am not....
shall we say.... running for political office.



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by lifeform11
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so for fairness i propose testing all workers in every job and sacking all the drug users, they cannot do their jobs properly if they are high, and then give those jobs to the unemployed who do not take drugs.
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I definitely agree with you that people can not do their jobs high and anyone coming to work high should be fired just as if they came to work drunk. By the way while in the military I was a nutritionist and agree that a nutritionist with the munchies probably wouldn't be the best thing. However, I also feel that everyone should be able to enjoy a fat one on a Friday night while watching NCIS marathons
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Peace and Smiles



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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to the people who keep saying "my tax dollars" "why should i pay" etc etc.

just so that your aware the vast majority of people who are unemployed have worked most of their lives and paid taxes to, most of the people who are unemployed usually find work with 6 months.

so how dare you say you are paying for them when most people have worked 15 years and paid taxes and then had a 6 month stop gap before finding employment.

i think they paid for their own benefits myself in the majority of cases.



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