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Florida's urine test for poor people yields results

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posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 01:38 AM
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T&C Dancing time - sorry mods if i fail.


It is my personal opinion that the police and government should have no power, controll, or interest in what you do to you're own body.


You want to get a piercing or Tatoo? "VERY Technicaly" that's violating/harming you're body yes? Technically as in you're puncturing/inflicting a wound and putting something in so it cant heal 100% in both cases yes?

The government has no say in this other than you must be 18 or of an age where you can make the decision for yourself, so you're not an 8 year old going on a "what will #t my parents off the most" rampage and getting a Tatt that says " F@# you MOM" on their arm that they will later regret when they go for their first job interview, yes?


Why can they not just treat all drugs/illicit substances the same way?

Nomatter what the substance, what it will do to you, hell even if its a syringe of cyanide.

If you're mentaly capable of looking at the idea - thinking thru all the pro's cons - and coming to an educated decision on what you're choice would be ( IE - no im not going to take the cyanide - or - yes ive been trying to kill myself for months i have bone and lung cancer and just want it all to end)


What right do they have to intervene? What right do they have to stop you? Does it concern them? At the end of the day - does it hurt them ? No it does not.

They use the excuse - drugs cause crime. Thats only because they make the trade/sales of the stuff illigeal - therefor creating a crime statistic. Next they will say its to afford their next hit so they'll go stealing/robbing people.

Mate, in this day and age, people will knock over and beat an elderly lady not because of how much they think she has in her handbag - but moreso because they know she's an easy victim who would not be able to fight back - their kick/enjoyment is coming all from the act.

There will allways be people whom break in and steal or destroy. Wether it be for their drug habbit, to put food on the table for their family, or pay an overdue bill so their kids dont ask the question as to why the lights arnt on but are for the rest of the street.


Tackle the existing problem - a persons need to go out and find a substance and use it. Why do people load up on substances? To escape reality? Why do they want to escape reality? Because life is realy realy # right now - why is life realy # right now? Look at the people that run the show!









Targeting people on benefits is absolutely pathetic. Trying to make out people on wellfare are scum/druggies/lowlifes is doubly pathetic.

Twice in my life have i needed benefits.

Once i was declined - my parents "earned too much"

I still dont understand why i was declined that. I had moved out, and was living at a boarding house/shared house. I stole food from the local grocery store to get by. My parents i could not live with - i tho i love them dearly - we cannot live under the same roof without attempting to kill eachother. They were not, and never intended to help me out after i decided to move out. Why does my wellbeing sit on how much my parents earn? I see no 'if you're child moves out because you'r going to kill them or vice versa you must give them payments each fortnight for...." text anywhere - so why did my financial wellbeing sit on two people who had nothing to do with me at the time?


The second time was during the first GFC. Company cut alot of staff by messing with stat reporting software - dropping them to sub-performance level - issuing a warning contract which effectvely changed their position type from permnant or full time to "probation" - dont sign it and you get the sack immediately situation. They dropped our entire team - with two weeks notice of termination - and outsourced our jobs to india.

Two months i was looking for a job - tried going for kitchen hand toilet cleaning garbage collection - the only type of job i did not bother with were the callcentre - COMISSION - based jobs. I put in the forms to govt for wellfare/$$ the day after i lost my job. Around the two month mark (its how long the paperwork took to go thru) - i get my first payment. A week after this i called them to cancel the payments - as i had found employment.



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That is what wellfare shuld be for
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You get in a pickle - its hard roads ahead and you cant see the exit ramp. You need a helping hand - you ask because you know its avaliable.

I should not have been told no - the first time i asked for help.

I should have been given help with an acceptable turnaround time the 2nd time around. When i can go for two months without needing food then i'd be less angsty with the long wait time.

Instead you're treated like you're plagued - automaticly labeled scum, druggie, and lowlife as well by the look of the replies in these threads.


Let me tell you - If you're on wellfare because you actualy need it - Drugs are the very very very last thing you would be sepending you're money on.

If they want to save money on wellfare - I like Obama's idea - Put a time limit on the handouts. So you cant be on govt benefits from when you're 14 till you're 80 without having to work a single day in you're life because the govt sponsors you. That would save money. It would give alot of teh wellfare bludgers a wakeup call and a reason to get off their arse and get a job. It would also give the people in need the money they need - If they ask for help and get it within a decent time frame. A bit of kindness and a helping hand when you're in the dumps (where you'd be if you genuinely need wellfare) can move mountains in the form of keeping your'e self esteem up and focuses on finding a way out of the hole you've just found yourself in.


But how crude of them to single out people on benefits and do blood/pee tests for substances. They should start with everyone with a 9-5 job. People who can afford to pay for a roof over their heads - food on their table and a slab of beer every friday are you're prime candidates at people who you'll find illicit substances in their systems




posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by lifeform11

Originally posted by Honor93


i obviously mean people who claim what they are not entitled to whilst working. i am suprised i need to clarify that part.

there is a paper trail, if you turn up to work with letters or unemployment ID, people would wonder why you need these if you are working and it is for a benefit you are not entitled to, i reckon it would yield the same results as this drug testing does.

also there is a way for drug users to get caught without drug testing the unemployed, they are called the police, and if they simply flagged anyone who was arrested for possesion or drug use who was unemployed to the unemployment centres then they could stop the money that way, without effecting numerous innocent people.
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thanks for the response but i'm guessing you are reckoning incorrectly.
ppl on CASH assistance (who are the only ones being drug tested btw - FS only recipients are not tested) do not have a special ID, their FS card accesses both FS and cash as needed.

If the recipient is working a legitimate job, all the aspects are already being reported, monthly.
It is not easy to work a legitimate job and hornswaggle the system ... that systematic rip-off is much better protected today then 10yrs ago ... computers helped that along quite a bit.

It's like the biz owner mentioned above, she just fudged her sales records, applied, got approved and is still running a business and 'reporting' what is necessary. How does the system identify her embellishment ??
and to top this one off, she Sells drugs from same business, regularly.

the second half of your comment is crazy. If i did drugs 10yrs ago, how does that mean i'm doing them today?
so you're saying if someone errors once in their life, they should be banned forever?



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 01:49 AM
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hmmmm...problem....you take $30 from someone whom cannot afford it to to pay for something they may never partake in...so therefore maybe they should make you pay $30 to see wether your male or female.

people whom hide behind the words....."these are my tax dollars"...need waking up. you would rather your tax dollars go into making people suffer and others get rich by using private companies to rake in millions....DOH!.

where do you think that $30 come from .....geez.

yup...my tax dollars hard at work on a program that cost 138k to run rakes in 98k plus all tha $30 fees paid out....DOH!

those are my tax dollars at work......just one corporation failing to pay taxes being brought to justice would more than cover this situation where someone whom is on benefits cant even afford to feed their kids haven't gone out for months and might need a break from reality because life sucks and now have to fork out $30 yet again robbing the poor to feed the rich...yup our fine tax dollars at work.


US government survey: Most corporations pay no taxes

By Tom Eley
15 August 2008

A study released Tuesday by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) reveals that the majority of corporations pay no federal taxes on profits accrued through business conducted within the US.

From 1998-2005, the period covered by the survey, about two thirds of both domestic and international businesses paid no federal taxes, while about one quarter of large US corporations, defined as those with over $250 million in assets and at least $50 million in sales, had no tax liability.

While it failed to name the ways specific corporations avoided taxes, the GAO survey, based on Internal Revenue Service records, attributes the failure to three factors: tax credits, operating losses and “transfer pricing,” which means corporations internally shift taxable profits to their own subsidiaries in lower-tax nations.


our tax doolars at work

I find it amazing how the news makes the poor out to be so bad.....It is not a bad thing to be poor...i know poor people with more compaassion in their baby finger than rich have throughout their entire essence of being.

the majority of the world is poor....and i can tell you there are more rich people out there on drugs than poor......Do you know why....because they can afford it.....DOH!

when people buy items...they pay tax...so poor pay their taxes too...it may not be income tax....but they still get taxed....so remember it is their tax dollars also.

sad sad sad situation......the gov can take a hike and get out of peoples personal lives and concentrate on the running of state....raping the poor is not the answer.....nothing like kicking people when they are already down huh.
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posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 02:15 AM
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The fact that only 2% tested positive should see the emptiness of some arguments from the get go. 2% is a minute number and yes, whilst some tax dollars will be paying for it, it could be argued whilst those people were employed, their tax dollars were also paying for it?

Surely an easier and better argument all round would be to legalize the use of recreational drugs, tax those, and use the tax gained toward paying for rehab treatment that is currently sucking tax dollars from elsewhere???

Of course that would require some thinking outside of the box... would also create a new economy, and considering the level of stress and/or self worth issues associated with many on benefits it might actually help shift some of the greater issues.



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 03:15 AM
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During any discussion of Florida Governor Rick Scott, it is important to weigh the fact that the company he owned and operated was convicted of massive medicare fraud. In fact, it was the largest fraud settlement in US history.

Before he became governor, Rick Scott was forced to resign as Chief Executive of Columbia/HCA in 1997 amid a scandal over the company's business and Medicare billing practices; the company ultimately admitted to fourteen felonies and agreed to pay the federal government over $600 million.

www.theledger.com...

A lot of people in Florida think he is an unpunished and unrepentant criminal.

Great thread. I am not sure if the above fact was brought out. Sorry to repeat this if the point was already made.
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posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 04:45 AM
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Wow this plan doesnt even save the state 1% of the total cost.... Was this really worth it? I mean, big surprise that Some poor people use drugs in order to alleviate their suffering so their life doesn't suck so much for a few moments.

The sad thing is that the 2% who failed their test were probably the weed smokers. Weed stays in your system a month. The people who do coke, crack, heroin, ecstasy, and most prescription pain killers, they only had to stop using for 3 days... Pass the test... Get the money and continue to use for the next 27 days.

I don't doubt that some poor people use drugs. It's expected when your life sucks. But they caught 2% of the people and there was maybe another 2 or 3% who got away with it. Maybe. Most drug users smoke marijuana, so maybe all other drug users added up would equal approximately the amount of marijuana users. Even if it was more, it would only be slightly.

And if 2% saved them 100,000 out of a 140,000,000 dollar program, they would have to eliminate over 25% just to save 1% of the money spent on the program each month. Over the year, that 2% of people eliminated still will not save the state 1%. It would be just shy...

I wonder what would happen if they added alcohol. I guess they don't care if people spend all their welfare money on alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, etc... But those dang drug users must be stopped, becuase we have a little test we can make them take. And mainly just the marijuana users, because its easy for everyone else to pass the test, but those evil weed smokers wont get away with it, not when superman is on the job. Everyone else like crack smokers, gamblers who spend every penney they get at the casino or on scratch tickets and lotttery tickets, and people who drink morning noon and night... they all get a free pass. Because when their kids go without food and decent clothes, it doesn't gift as bad as the kids whos parents smoke weed. They were born with different DNA so they can handle it. But those weed smokers must be dealt with...



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 05:23 AM
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First Off I'm against any drug test for anything. Its against the 4th and I raised to believe that we live in a society that was innocent in till proven guilty. Which is a load of crap now a days but dammit I still hold into that belief.

Second I despise welfare, all welfare including corporate. I'm for helping people and have helped people and donated money even when I was just making enough to keep working and buy myself some green every now and then and possibly and a cheap game and some lunch. But what I am against is the government telling me who I have to help. Charity shouldn't be a tax we all pay. Charity should be something you do out of kindness and belief in the cause you're donating to. With this system I don't know where my money goes or who its helping or if I even believe in the cause its helping.

I've seen welfare help people yes, but I've also seen it destroy people. My parents for one, giving little to my brother and me to buy drugs and dumping me on to my grandparents who saved me and cared for me. It wasn't in till my mother was cut off from everything and had to stand on her own two legs that she became a better person, in till she started working for herself and her moral compass had shifted form selfish to self reliant. I'm not saying thats always the case, but when she wasn't being enabled anymore things got better. My farther is still a leech though, living off his parents and forcing them to raise my brother and newly added half-brother. Its disgusting and I hope to never accept a handout but instead work for it instead.

So theres my thoughts on the subject.



posted on Aug, 29 2011 @ 06:12 AM
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As long as my tax money feeds them,they should be glad to take the test...no one is saying they cant be dopers...they jus cant live off the taxpayers teat if they do



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