Mass Killing' Evidence Found In Libya

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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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Mass Killing' Evidence Found In Libya


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Sky obtains evidence of a mass killing in Tripoli, which eyewitnesses claim was carried out by pro-Gaddafi forces.
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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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Now we’re beginning to hear about these massacres all across the country.

I Fear this is but the first of many reports on this kind on mass killing.

I presently don’t know what to believe on one hand you have people like Alex Jones saying that the rebels are made up of 90% al Qaeda ,which I have a hard time swallowing.

Then there is the other side who believe this the be a revolution of the people in Libya against their “evil” dictator, again I am not convinced.

To be honest with all the disinfo,msm bombardment and other” ops” it’s quite hard to get a clear picture of what’s going on.

One thing I do know, mass killings, foreign fighters and a near civil war is never good for the said country and its people.


Spike Spiegel

*Warning graphic video*

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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 07:06 PM
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the only people carried out mass killings in libya were the rebels, they did it to the black libyans and black militias working for qadafi and i'm sure they also did it to pro qadafi forces, i mean we hear about the rebel advance but they never seem to capture prisoners, thats because they shoot everyone fighting on sight.



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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its goes both ways
sto ry here




30 bodies riddles with bullets, at least 2 of them bound with plastic handcuffs indicating they were executed.


for some reason it wont let my c/p
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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 07:14 PM
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"Mass killing". Interesting.

Does it matter if you kill hundreds of people in a day, or the same number split over a period of a week?

Is murder on one day not murder on another? The who and when seems to be abused by either side when the time suits.

This is essentially a civil war and there will regularly be large groups of dead bodies found (even in hospitals - doesn't mean there was a mass killing). It sounds like noone knows the circumstances around these ones, but I think it's safe to assume one belligerent was killing another, as happens in wars.

Lots of "he believed", "according to reports". 'According' to one report in there, they hard darker skin, implying they were some of those from more southern areas of Africa that Gadaffi recruited. Why would he kill his own? Are all the bodies in there from the same event? Was it being used as a temporary morgue? Time will tell.

We just don't know if this is 'genoicde' as we know it yet. But as you know, the victor writes history.
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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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Just been reading about this on Yahoo.

'Mass Killing' Evidence Found In Libya

Bloody disgusting, but I can't help but think this is just the tip of the iceberg
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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 07:22 PM
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I agree with you, in that most if not all of the information we’re getting is far from the whole truth.

But on the other hand, some truth does get through.

I have a feeling that we’re going to be hearing a lot more about this.



SS


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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Two days ago I saw images of the rebels capturing what was presented as a pro-regime fighter, and some seconds later they showed more images with the same pro-regime (black) fighter, and the rebels were putting a Libyan army helmet on his head (when he was captured he was in civilian clothes) and he was always removing the helmet, and I found that a little strange.

I also saw on the news (and I heard it yesterday on the radio) that Amnesty International and the Red Cross are talking about signs of what looks like revenge killings perpetrated by the rebels.

When things look more like a civil war than an attempt to overthrow a bad regime it's difficult to know who is the best side, or even if one side is better than the other.



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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You stole the words right from my mouth, I was about to say the same thing.

When “Revenge Killings” flare up it can be bloody chaotic.


SS



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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Apparently those who have fleed Libya in the past and are British citizens are now fighting with the rebels,who are these rebels?
Are they going to incite Islamic hate against the west once they are secure in power?
Why is the west helping Islamists?
Unless they want them to pose a threat?



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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You bring up a valid point, I live in Canada and this story came out recently.

“Brother of Canadian killed in Libya expresses shock”


www.google.ca... adhafi-arab-league.html&ei=xIxZTu_gN6rr0gG784G-DA&usg=AFQjCNEN9HsrYWUICm3NE0o_vQKveqOsJQ



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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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So can you explain how the bodies were subjected to so much heat as to incinerate them yet the building shows no signs of it? The bodies are still smouldering yet the Libyan troops are nowhere to be seen and the rebel person is walking round completely unconcerned about his surroundings and situation or the proximity of any enemy troops?

The tone of the report is MSM rhetoric raping up for the Gadaffi hunt to come.

I am not sure that I believe this report as it stands.
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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 07:46 PM
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If you read my original Op, you will see that I do not necessarily believe it either.

I’m just trying to get a clearer picture of what’s going on by investigating all available sources.


SS



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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Yeah this has been on Sky News since this morning and honestly, it sickens me what Gaddafi's supporters have done. It's bad enough what the man himself and his family did in the decades before but now this too burning innocents and then threatening people nearby if they get too close...

Like they said though, it's more evidence for a war crimes trial so hopefully they get the coward ex-leader and bring him to justice for all this.



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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Murder is murder in my book.

However, it appears I am not reading from the same book as NATO.

Chaos ensues in Libya and will continue to do so whoever gains control. We have backed terrorists before (Gadaffi) and we will continue to do so (Rebels). As long as the thirst for Oil continues, so will the killing.

WWIII will be brought about through our thirst for Oil, we are seeing the beginnings of this.



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 07:55 PM
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I am fully aware of that point.

A matter of phraseology perhaps. I view "Can you explain" as "Can anyone (you) explain", not that you agree with the report. Apologies if you thought I was inferring that.



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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If I could switch gears here just a little.

When one looks at the “project for a new American century”, Libya is smack dab right where the US would want some more permanent bases.

Many people have called this “war” in advance, once Libya is settled, it’s just one more piece in the big puzzle.

Just a thought.

SS



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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No apologies are needed, wasn’t sure that I had been clear in my OP either.


I know enough, to know that I don’t know much.




SS
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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 08:12 PM
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Here's an article from a Human Rights organisation on the ethnic cleansing being carried out by the rebels and how NATO is enabling human rights abuses.

humanrightsinvestigations.org...



Libyan rebel ethnic cleansing and lynching of black people Posted on July 7, 2011 by HRI Mark
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Further specific evidence has emerged that there is a strong racist element within the rebel forces, including at command level, and it is the stated intention of these forces to ethnically cleanse areas they capture of their dark-skinned inhabitants.

Racism amongst the rebels including at command level

In a recent article in the Wall Street Journal, journalist Sam Dagher pointed out the obvious fact that the Libyan war is aggravating ethnic tensions in that country. The article talks about the fate of Tawergha, a small town 25 miles to the south of Misrata, inhabited mostly by black Libyans, a legacy of its 19th-century origins as a transit town in the slave trade:

Ibrahim al-Halbous, a rebel commander leading the fight near Tawergha, says all remaining residents should leave once if his fighters capture the town. “They should pack up,” Mr. Halbous said. “Tawergha no longer exists, only Misrata.”

Other rebel leaders are reported as:

“calling for drastic measures like banning Tawergha natives from ever working, living or sending their children to schools in Misrata.”

In addition, according to the article, as a result of the battle for Misrata:

nearly four-fifths of residents of Misrata’s Ghoushi neighborhood were Tawergha natives. Now they are gone or in hiding, fearing revenge attacks by Misratans, amid reports of bounties for their capture.

Amid allegations of black mercenaries and stories of mass rape by the inhabitants of Tawergha, Sam Dagher reports on further evidence of the racism amongst the rebel forces:

Some of the hatred of Tawergha has racist overtones that were mostly latent before the current conflict. On the road between Misrata and Tawergha, rebel slogans like “the brigade for purging slaves, black skin” have supplanted pro-Gadhafi scrawl.

The racial tensions have been fueled by the regime’s alleged use of African mercenaries to violently suppress demonstrators at the start of the Libyan uprising in February, and the sense that the south of the country, which is predominantly black, mainly backs Col. Gadhafi.

This information has already been publicised, in the WSJ and also in the Black Star News. Bryan Chan of the Los Angeles Times reports visiting a prison in Benghazi, where terrified black men were paraded for the cameras (with Human Rights Watch silently taking notes). One man bravely protested he was just a guest worker and the guards presented a Gambian passport as proof he was a Gaddafi operative. Chan’s Libyan interpreter asked:

“So what do you think? Should we just go ahead and kill them?”

There is a lot of horrific video footage clearly showing public lynchings in Benghazi (link to graphic description of some of the footage). including at the rebel HQ, beheadings of blindfolded prisoners and interrogation of prisoners, including in hospitals.

The myth of black mercenaries leads to lynchings

Other evidence of the massacres of black people, which include the lynchings and murder of black soldiers of the Libyan army, guest workers from other African countries and dark-skinned Libyan civilians include a report from the BBC on 25 February which cited a Turkish construction worker as saying:

“We had 70-80 people from Chad working for our company. They were cut dead with pruning shears and axes, attackers saying: ‘You are providing troops for Gaddafi.’ The Sudanese were also massacred. We saw it for ourselves.”

On 27th February Nick Meo of The Telegraph reported from Al-Bayda that he had been shown mobile phone footage of a ‘captured mercenary‘ (presumably he means black person with a uniform) lynched from a street lamp as well as a ‘black African hanging on a meat hook.’

Amnesty International crisis researcher, Donatella Rovera spent the period from 27 February to 29th May in Misrata, Benghasi, Ajabiya and Ras Lanouf. Yesterday she was interviewed by Austria’s ‘The Standard’ and had this to say on the subject:

“We examined this issue in depth and found no evidence. The rebels spread these rumours everywhere, which had terrible consequences for African guest workers: there was a systematic hunt for migrants, some were lynched and many arrested. Since then, even the rebels have admitted there were no mercenaries, almost all have been released and have returned to their countries of origin, as the investigations into them revealed nothing.”

Who spread the myth and why?

So what accounts for the widespread popularity of this myth? It is, to be frank, an example of highly successful propaganda, appealing to the basest of racial stereotypes. The myth was highly important in gaining consent for the operation in Libya, in order to cover up and justify the massacres of black people taking place.

In account after account, the mercenary myth is used to justify the imprisoning and killing of black people and this process continues today. Given the background of racial tension in Libya, including the October 2000 race riots which led to the killings of 200 people with 1000s forced to flee, the consequences of the spreading of this propaganda were entirely predictable and constitute incitement to commit atrocities.

The myth of black mercenaries was spread by certain political leaders including members of the National Transitional Council in Benghazi, British Defence Minister Liam Fox and NATO spokesperson Oana Longescu .


According to Amnesty, allegations of “African mercenaries” have led to the lynchings
The viagra myth

On the viagra myth beloved of the ICC Prosecutor Luis Moreno Ocampo, Donatella Rovera had this to say:

“No one really took that seriously did they? On the 21 March, after the first air strikes on Gadaffi’s troops outside Benghazi, a young man who worked in the media centre presented us with many boxes of the potency drug. He claimed to have found them in the destroyed tanks. The vehicles had been completely burnt out, but the packaging looked brand new. I can not believe that anyone took him seriously.”

NATO enabling human rights abuses

So is NATO actually “protecting civilians” – or is it rather supporting rebels, some of whom who intend to harm dark-skinned Libyans and ethnically cleanse areas over which they take control?

The information contained in this post, is widely known and has been reported in the Independent and other newspapers, so NATO can not claim ignorance of the facts.

As this is being written, the”brigade for purging slaves and black skin,” is advancing on Tawurgha, supported by NATO strikes from the air and on the ground by Special Forces. A rebel commander has declared the intention is to wipe the town off the map and we have already seen the lynchings of black people and the driving out of black people from Ghoushi.

By continuing to escalate the conflict in Libya, allowing the arming and supporting the rebel side, providing bombing support to enable them to advance and refusing to implement a cease-fire as demanded by the United Nations and African Union, NATO is enabling serious abuses of human rights and NATO officials will certainly be held to account.



You're right that we're not being told the truth in the MSM about what's going on there.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 05:19 AM
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Who ever has carried out these killings need to be brought to justice. I just saw the report on Sky/Fox news
. Gruesome footage to say the least.

You can actually see the burned remains of the bodies, made me cringe. Revolting.





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