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"Liberty and democracy are eternal enemies"

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posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 03:40 AM
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I think you'd be hard pressed to find that any of those people, with the exception of Bernie Sanders consider themselves socialists.

You showed me a similiar list before calling all of those members 'socialists' when, in fact, they were simply members of the progressive caucus headed by Rep. Grijalva of Arizona.

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That's just it though, we elect our representatives with 51% majorities, democratic elections...unless you live in a state that practices its elections in a different manner you live in a democratically elected representative republic.

There's no way around it.




posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 03:47 AM
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The Truth About Slavery
from the American Dissident Voices

The history of America and of Western Civilization is not being taught as it should be in our schools and universities today. Historical facts are suppressed, and what is taught is distorted in such a way as to advance the world government agenda, with all inconvenient historical facts, knowledge of which might cause our young people to question that agenda, purposely left out.


There is a history of White people that has never been told in any coherent form, largely because most modern historians have, for reasons of politics or psychology, refused to recognize White slaves in America as just that.


A correct understanding of the authentic history of the enslavement of Whites in America could have profound consequences for the future. Most of the books on White labor in early America use words like "White indentured servitude," "White bondservants," White servants," etc. Few are now aware that the majority of these so-called "servants" were bound to a condition more properly called permanent chattel slavery unto death. The papers legally allowing the enslavement, called indentures, were often forged by kidnappers and press-gangs; and in cases where these papers did not literally specify a life term of servitude, the slave-owner had the legal right to unilaterally increase the length of the term on the flimsiest pretexts. The so-called "apprentices" or "indentured servants" had no say in the matter. These enslaved White people are, however, never called slaves by establishment academics and media spokesmen. To do so would destroy the myth of unique Black victimhood and universal White guilt.


Today, with the massive concentration of educational and media resources on the Black experience of slavery, the unspoken assumption has been that only Blacks have been enslaved to any degree or magnitude worthy of study or memorial. The historical record reveals that this is not the case, however. The word "slave" itself is derived from the word "slav," a reference to the Eastern European White people who, among others, were enslaved by their fellow Whites, by the Mongols, and by the Arabs over a period of many centuries.



According to Thomas Burton's Parliamentary Diary 1656-1659, in 1659 the English parliament debated the practice of selling British Whites into slavery in the New World. In the debate, these Whites were referred to not as "indentured servants" but as "slaves."



The last time I checked, The Preamble to the Declaration of Independence was a statement to the effect that our Founding Fathers intended to be separated from the tyranny of the King. Remember that? the Constitution itself is the outlining of the form and branches of govt.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.



In my view, anyone criticising our Founding Fathers, the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution is just an ignorant fool believing in the lies of socialists.

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posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 03:52 AM
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Originally posted by links234
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


I think you'd be hard pressed to find that any of those people, with the exception of Bernie Sanders consider themselves socialists.

You showed me a similiar list before calling all of those members 'socialists' when, in fact, they were simply members of the progressive caucus headed by Rep. Grijalva of Arizona.

reply to post by METACOMET
 


That's just it though, we elect our representatives with 51% majorities, democratic elections...unless you live in a state that practices its elections in a different manner you live in a democratically elected representative republic.

There's no way around it.



oh blah blah blah blah, you're telling me that when someone is officially a member of an organization with the word Socialist in it, they do not consider themselves Socialist? That is laughable. In this day and age, liberal just about means socialist, so even if some do not see themselves as such, they are still practicing and promoting a socialist agenda.

DSA = Democratic SOCIALISTS of America
need we say more? Why do you bother to argue this, as it is clear you consider yourself a socialist and therefore you know better.

edit on 28-8-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by links234
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If we don't have democracy how do we elect our representatives?
If we had a democracy we would have NO representatives. Excuse me, your ignorance is showing.



posted on Aug, 30 2011 @ 05:44 AM
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Sorry for the late reply, but perhaps you misunderstood. I did not ask if we had a democracy, I asked if we had democracy.

I believe I understand the disconnect...you're thinking in absolutes. There is only absolute democracy or there is no democracy. That's not what I'm talking about.

We don't live in a democracy, we live with democracy.



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