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Originally posted by followtheevidence
reply to post by Mividau
Thank you for sharing your poignant testimony. Miracles do happen. Some are spared, some are not. Who are we to know the mind of God? Somehow, in the end - it will all make sense (as difficult as that may be to believe or understand now). Walk in the light of His footsteps.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Originally posted by loves a conspiricy
Someone not loading a gun because they are high on drugs doesnt mean god protected you
Yes it does. You undersetimate how Jesus works. He does subtle things, so as to not alarm the person that is trying to attack his children. People don't just conveniently forget how to load a shotgun, i can drink and be drunk off my ass and still remember how to load a shotgun.edit on 27-8-2011 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by Lionhearte
["Tell me, is it a coincidence a Christian family could place hands on her and pray, and have heat restored to her body, vital signs stabilized and able to walk out of their a week later? Is it a coincidence she was told there was nothing left they can do, and that she will not be alive much longer - yet her belief in God had nothing to do with the miracle of her being alive to this day? Doctors don't know what cured her, and called this a miracle case."]
Some 'good' people die horrible deaths, and some 'bad' people live a long undisturbed life. Hands are put or not put, and the same pattern manifests.
And this happens in all religions, and outside religions, and only a mind which has prearranged answers and selective filters can draw definite conclusions from it.
And in the meantime, until the 'end' makes it all clear, perhaps people in general prefer to make up their own minds about the principles guiding existence (if any).
Originally posted by solardez
in regards to the op and previous posts, i've always found it remarkably interesting on how so many can believe in the "miracles" of the religious god and jesus, in spite of so many dark events that have occurred in the bible, in history, and in modern times.
particularly with one fundamental flaw inherent in every religion - the idea that in order to be "saved", you have to believe.
this is irrefutable. if you don't believe, you won't be saved.
but this is contradictory to the god ideology - god/jesus loves all mankind, in accordance to the understanding that humanity came from god. so as a whole, humanity is his children. so logically, since he is so great, he should love everyone equally, regardless of whether they have a belief in him or not. in which case, everyone on the planet should be benefiting from his love.
but this is not the case. throughout history, millions have died in his name. millions have died to horrible disease. millions have died to natural disasters. to wars. thousands die every day due to accidents, mishaps, and crime.
in other words, he...god/jesus...does not love all humanity equally.
so, considering all these deaths, one has to ask, where is god's/jesus's love? for it would seem quite obvious that he picks and chooses Who To Love.
he picks and chooses who gets the miracles, while the rest falter....and that is not a very reassuring thought, considering that he is supposed to love All of humanity.
Think about this.
god/jesus loves all of humanity....yet only grants miracles to those who believe, or deems "worthy"... all others get the shaft...ie not saved. not helped.
"if you had only believed in my god..."
consider those parents who prayed to god for him to save their child. why should it have mattered to the omniscient one whether or not they were christian, muslim, catholic, jewish or any other denomination?
is god/jesus that shallow in which he only listens to certain prayers?
this is not the mark of an omniscient, All Loving Being.
so one has to consider...how can anyone believe in such a being - a being who is the supposed creator of the universe, omniscient, needs nothing, the father/mother of humanity - yet picks and chooses who is worthy of his grace?
Now consider the number of fatalities, deaths, mishaps in this world, past and present.
Apparently, regardless of what religion is subscribed to, god/jesus isn't that keen on loving all his children.
in fact, he's doing a pretty bad job of it.
Now, of course, there are those who believe that the way things are is because god is testing humanity.
But this is also a very flawed understanding, considering that god/jesus knows Everything.
god knows Everything. he knows when you will be born. he knows when you will die. by that design alone, he knows how you will live. and if he knows everything there is to know about you, then there is no need to test you.
he already knows how you will test.
keep this in mind. he already knows how you will test, so the idea of him testing humanity is fundamentally flawed. he already knows the outcome, so why bother...unless he wishes to inflict pain upon humanity.
and that definitely does not make for a very wonderful being to believe in, regardless of religion.
one could argue that perhaps god/jesus simply wants you to learn from your mistakes. but this still makes for a lousy father/mother figure, considering that for many, this equates to very tough, if not harsh, love.
love that can literally kill you.
which really isn't love.
Originally posted by blocula
did god just lay back on a cloud with angels brushing his hair and watch the terror of the AUSCHWITZ murder/slave factory being constructed and swinging into high gear?,if you believe in god then he must have known about it and he has the power to create heaven and earth but could'nt or did'nt feel like stopping this hellish death camp!?!? if someone believes in god then please tell me what you think he/she looks like,god must be "something"...so what do you think he/she really is?... is god a cardboard box?...no...is god an orb of plasma?...probably not...is god a man or woman dressed in flowing robes?...most likely no... so,what other choices are we left with?...ALIEN BEING.edit on 28-8-2011 by blocula because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Mividau
Hi all and good morning.
The creator that I believe in love's us all. This creator does give all a miracle.
But if you are only expecting something strongly supernatural, then you'll miss out.
To me a miracle can be a person at the right place and time. A doctor can be one as
well. After all the creator gave them their knowledge.
It reminds me of that story where there is a flood comeing. The guy prays to GOD.
"Please Lord Help Me........
A cop car show's up and knocks on his door. The cop offered to take him to safety.
The guy replies "No GOD will protect me".
Now the guy is stuck on the 2nd floor of his house. Once again he prays to GOD.
A nieghbor shows up with a boat, tells him to hop in.
The guy replies. "No God's got my back".
Now the guy is stuck on the roof of his house. He screams to GOD to help him.
A national guard helicopter showed up. They send a ladder down to him.
The guy fights and screams "No God will save me".
Needless to say to poor guy died. He showed up in heaven angry and asked GOD why
didnt you give me a miracle. GOD answered......
I knew you didnt have a car, I sent one.
I knew you couldn't swim, I sent a boat.
I knew you couldnt fly, I sent a helicopter.
Thats 3 miracles you turned down. I didnt come down for noah either.
I told him how to survive. If he choose not to obey. He would have died on that day.
I am sorry that my experince is lacking in what everyone deems to be a miracle.
Certain things I see in a simpler way then most. The true miracle of the Noah story
was that he listened. Some things are of our own doing.
I also need to add that my GOD goes by different names but his signature is evident.
This GOD taught many the true ways of light and there not all hebrew or christian either.
LOTZA LUV and Thanks to the others who shared their stories as well.
Originally posted by Lionhearte
Logically, that does not make sense. We are all His creation, why would he pick favorites? Who are we? Has any one of us done more good than another? Is any one of us better than our neighbors? The Bible states that all men have fallen short of the glory of God,so I find it hard to believe he plays favoritism.
Originally posted by Lionhearte
God does indeed "choose" who comes to Him, for you cannot go to Christ/God with God choosing you first.
Unfair? I say no.
Imagine you went to a racetrack and knew for absolute, 100% certainty which Horse would win the race. Would you bet all of your money on the loser? You would be a fool to do so.
God knows who is going to win, so he picks his champions, simple as that.