Should Holocaust revision (NOT denial) be taken more seriously?

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What irritates me just as much as the H myth, and it's Z propaganda, is the lies that the Nazis "wanted to take over the world", and were racists. If anyone does some study, they will find top military officers in the Nazis were Jews, and in the ranks were asians, blacks, Arabs, muslims.... in fact, Hitler's armies were the most culturally diversified in the world at that time. There is a Z agenda here, to try and spread lies about the Nazis, which sadly they have. Everything we have beem indoctrinated to believe, is a lie. It's also sad that white racists just eat up the anti-Nazi Hollywood lies and play right into the Z hands, by furthering the incorect history and image of the National Socialists with their prison tatts, and ignorant rambling, these fools would be in prison in Nazi Germany. There is an agenda to supress and distort the greatest nation in all history, 3rd Reich Germany.

Ok, so let me repost without all the F-Bombs.

I find that the biggest piece of Zionist propaganda is the "protocols of the Elders of Zion" which all the Zionist conspirators swear by, but is as much as farce as David Icke and his reptilians. Bad Story, not a whole lot of real weight.

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by m1991

 

Really? I'm about as American as it gets, sir. ...and a victim of the US public schooling system, yet I, too, was taught about the non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust.

how quickly did they go over it though? usually, yeah, they give token recognition, but it's always treated as a Jewish event.

reply to post by tom502

There is an agenda to supress and distort the greatest nation in all history, 3rd Reich Germany.

Tom, leave the eeevil lying Jews. Think about Poles.Mainland Poland was at war for how long? And they lost third of population after being conquered and occupied by "greatest nation". 3rd Reich Germany was dividing people into first class and second class according to race - and i am not speaking about Jews,again. Multitude of soldiers from all the races,you say? Who led them? Your "Jewish leaders"? Name me one Muslim general in Wehrmacht. One black colonel in Wehrmacht? And for your Jewish leaders.... Sheeesh. Deny ignorance, yeah right.
Embrace it, more like it.

Hey why are we always concentrating on the numbers? What about the actual perpetrators of the holocaust?

I know a Hungarian guy (legged it in 1956) and I asked him about what he saw in WW2 Hungary. He told me the Russians/Soviets/whatever killed all the Jews in his town, then put out the news the Nazis had done it!

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by tom502

 

There is an agenda to supress and distort the greatest nation in all history, 3rd Reich Germany.

Tom, leave the eeevil lying Jews. Think about Poles.Mainland Poland was at war for how long? And they lost third of population after being conquered and occupied by "greatest nation". 3rd Reich Germany was dividing people into first class and second class according to race - and i am not speaking about Jews,again. Multitude of soldiers from all the races,you say? Who led them? Your "Jewish leaders"? Name me one Muslim general in Wehrmacht. One black colonel in Wehrmacht? And for your Jewish leaders.... Sheeesh. Deny ignorance, yeah right.
Embrace it, more like it.

Ok... nice. I try to get away from this thread but I always end up opening it to see the latest fallacies.

So lets see... can you name a "non american" general in your american army? Didnt you have "negro regiments" and "buffalo soldiers"? Just backtracking in history so you know where you come from...

What exactly you want to prove by asking a question like that? Let forget about that for a second and on to better things...

But thats ok by me I guess... well... SS-Obergruppenführer Artur Phleps commander and creator of the handschar ss division. He was not german, he was romanian. Btw... an "Obergruppenführer" is only second to the reichsführer-ss - himmler himself.

About "black men", you know, the only reason is because the black population in germany was so minimal that blacks werent even prosecuted... and they were even less in countries they invaded except for france.

Still... want a drafted black man in the wehrmacht?

media.militaryphotos.net...

Is that black enough for you?

You want indians? Arabs? Chinese? Turks? You want an australian aborigine that was a guard in the bergen belsen camp (its even on the trial logs)... Any color, any nationality... you ask, you shall receive.

So... 2 things. 1. Thou shalt now investigate what is the handschar ss division and others like it (like indian etc); 2. Thou shalt not ask stupid and meaningless questions when you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.


EDIT: Oh crap... I didnt notice your nickname. It all becomes clear now... sorry for the overflow of information, I clearly didnt see who I was talking to... Oh my... Its appropriate I'll give you that!

reply to post by Sternblut



WRONG. HEBREW is considered a middle eastern race. JEW is a religion. There IS a difference. I am Jewish, but I am not Hebrew.

Threads like this make me ee that even though they might be "awake" there are still many people that cant get over race or religion for our betterment and they sure as hell cant stop blaming Jews for everything wrong with them.

What are you basing your numbers of deaths on? Do you know how they came up with the 6 million number and can you present evidence to the contrary? I don't think you can so your just making stuff up. Statements like this puts your whole post into question as to your motives.

Do some research and present a logical arguement otherwise this is just a denial thread. It's like someone saying..."I'm not racist...but".

Originally posted by Rabbit281
reply to post by Sternblut

 

WRONG. HEBREW is considered a middle eastern race. JEW is a religion. There IS a difference. I am Jewish, but I am not Hebrew.

Are you completely oblivious to the fact that judaism is a religion but also a culture?

So a jew can be and I quote "a member of the Semitic people who are notionally descended from the ancient Israelites, are spread throughout the world, and are linked by loose cultural or religious ties"

See that "loose" and "cultural OR religious"?

Or it can even be "A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah.A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah."

So its not only a religion... come on, you should know this better since you are a "jew", shouldnt you?

I'm an historian, not a human dictionary... that should be common knowledge so I dont have to quote a dictionary to explain some people the "raw definition" of a word.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge

While I do accept that the Nazis had committed genocide and that the Jews were one of the main groups they targeted, there are two major things that I question - the number of Jewish deaths, and whether there was a Zionist or NWO element behind the Holocaust.

And why it cannot be done? I mean - there is no legal reason and while i am sure that it will not be accepted with the best of intentions, if it is serious research then there is no reason for it not to happen.
6 million Jews killed is not an axiom, there are researchers who say it was about 5 million and there those who say that there was about 7 million. So there are researchers dealing with it and nobody shoots down "lesser number" theories straight away.
And Zionist - Nazi connections in 1930s-1940s are also not a taboo. There are works on this (Haavara and Hungarian Jews and such).
So - what it the problem?

sorry, but there is a legal reason...if you go to europe and even question the holocaust in any way you can be thrown in prison for 3 years.....so, no studying it!!!! ya hear???? we don't want you snoopin around and find out something we don't want you to find out......

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni

Originally posted by Rabbit281
reply to post by Sternblut

 

WRONG. HEBREW is considered a middle eastern race. JEW is a religion. There IS a difference. I am Jewish, but I am not Hebrew.

Are you completely oblivious to the fact that judaism is a religion but also a culture?

So a jew can be and I quote "a member of the Semitic people who are notionally descended from the ancient Israelites, are spread throughout the world, and are linked by loose cultural or religious ties"

See that "loose" and "cultural OR religious"?

Or it can even be "A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah.A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah."

So its not only a religion... come on, you should know this better since you are a "jew", shouldnt you?

I'm an historian, not a human dictionary... that should be common knowledge so I dont have to quote a dictionary to explain some people the "raw definition" of a word.

No point in arguing with the guy with the dictionary, he's just gonna throw definitions out there as if the definition of a word completely explains every facet of a culture or religion. Get over your "historian" slef, ebcause you obviously know f-all about being a Jew, The Early Hebrews, jewish people, heck, I could go on all day with this type of stuff. Simply put, to group us all together in some racial and cultural lumop is racist, and that dictionary, probably also written by an anti-semitic racist, because let's face it, 60% or more of non Jews are anti-semitic because none of you want to understand us or care to. We say something, and you toss it aside and bring out some dictionary defining. Let's put it this way, if a devout Jew didnt write that book, the definition is probably farcical at best.

reply to post by Rabbit281


I had to laugh... I really did. Thanks.

So... if something is not written or approved by a jew, it cant talk about jews... which lead us to, only jews really know about jews. Which lead us to... all others are goyim right?

How do you want cattle to understand about you or care, if you only care for yourself?

Btw... being anti-semite is a lot more then just "not liking jews". It seems that jews like to believe they're the only semitic people. Well, actually jews are only 3 of 23 semitic peoples of asia. And the way you talk, right I know I feel like saying I only respect 20.

You're so full of yourself if you actually believe that only a definition written by a jew about a jew can be of real significance... that only shows how arrogant you are. Only a true die hard fan of ben gurion talks like that... and you're calling me a racist? That was a joke coming from someone who talks the way you do.

But you know the good part? Is that, I can and prolly will be censored by my opinion, but you will never be censored by yours... you can say whatever you want, the way you want, offend how and who you want as long as you pull that race card, specially as a jew... specially on a holocaust thread... while me... I'm just another "member of the cattle", a goyim", a white non-jew historian who questions the holocaust (god forbid) and happens to admire the other 20 semitic peoples, specially the arabs. A goyim who never ever bend or fall for your false cries, deceptive ways and blunt and aggressive oppression of other peoples and will never agree with thieves that try everything to expel others from their own land claiming it yours by all means necessary, including mass murder, torture, lies and consecutive violations of the human rights - oh, I'm sorry, everyone has to respect the human rights except you, so you prolly dont even know what those are, or even what it means.

Have fun controlling the world under the holocaust's cover of lies, fables and myths... but everything comes an end. Enjoy it while it lasts.

On a last note... the dictionary was first written by a guy named "noah", which is actually an hebrew name... curious for an anti-semite huh? You talked too much...

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Sternblut

 

Race is not a fact. Race is a theory. Breed would be more accurate.

I did ignore all your data. Because nothing in there is proof. Why should I waste my time refuting that which has already been refuted to death? You refuse to see truth, so you damn yourself to ignorance. This ignorance of race, of nation, of people.

Show me a nation that didn't steal the land it lives on today? Show me how race exists? For it's just another word for species. Carefully hidden away for ignorant people to bode by. Show me how humanity is different! It is all human, with various skills and abilities. And as you have so willingly proven, so able to be manipulated to hate.

To death with philosophies like yours. May you hopefully die an old man or woman, but all alone in your mindset. May you only find people with mindsets not of your own, and may God will it that one day you realize just how ignorant you are in that mind of yours, and allow you to liberate yourself and become readmitted into the HUMAN race. The one, the only, the MUTT species from Africa, that is as diverse as the colors of the rainbow.

I want to read the rest of the posts, and I will, but I could not continue without replying to this. I don't want it to become a flame war.
BUT

You ignore my posts, and reply, while I read your entire posts, and reply to yours, linking appropriate material. You say this is because I have no 'proof', how so when you do not read any of it? And where is your counter proof? If you have none then your opinion, like mine, is just that. An opinion. And a theory.

The human race is a lot like lupus familiaris. There are many breeds, people could argue one breed is smarter than others, certainly, but only in certain tasks. My dog in particular is very intellegent, well trained and listens well. Although he is not very big, and cannot fully take down an attacker, he's bred for a specific task.
The same is with humans, we all specialize at different things, and to call us all the same is like calling all dogs the same, or all plants, or all bugs. It's simply idiotic.

And you like to assume things about me, which is typical of this topic, just because I believe in the differences of race doesnt mean I hate anyone different than me. You on the other hand seemed to be filled with hate.
To condemn other ways of thinking, I might point out is close minded, I don't mind if others have different opinions than me, and I wont say that those opinions should be shut up and quietly destroyed either, even if they oppose mine.

reply to post by Sternblut


No on all accords.

Your data for the holocaust is tainted. Not scholarly. You've not supplied scholarly proof of your claims. Peer reviewed and approved opinions. To confuse the two is your own ignorance.

Dogs were forced-evolved under the guise of owners. Humans were naturally selected universally for the same traits. Ergo, all human brains are equal in potential abilities. Nature merely selected skin tones and nostril features for environmental viability. To confuse the two is your own ignorance.

I am only filled with hate for those whom think their fellow man is not equal to them. To think such, in my honest opinion, looses your right to life. I care little for your opinion on that matter. That is my opinion and I will stand to it.

I condemn that which seeks to corrupt and lie, which you are. I've no problem with people whom think the holocaust may be tainted by history. But the moment you say mankind is intellectual different, and thereby removing the humanity of one group or the other, you're right to life becomes nonexistent in my eyes. To think such proves your own inhumanity, and in turn, I have no reason to think you worthy of the same equality of man.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Sternblut

 

No on all accords.

Your data for the holocaust is tainted. Not scholarly. You've not supplied scholarly proof of your claims. Peer reviewed and approved opinions. To confuse the two is your own ignorance.

Dogs were forced-evolved under the guise of owners. Humans were naturally selected universally for the same traits. Ergo, all human brains are equal in potential abilities. Nature merely selected skin tones and nostril features for environmental viability. To confuse the two is your own ignorance.

I am only filled with hate for those whom think their fellow man is not equal to them. To think such, in my honest opinion, looses your right to life. I care little for your opinion on that matter. That is my opinion and I will stand to it.

I condemn that which seeks to corrupt and lie, which you are. I've no problem with people whom think the holocaust may be tainted by history. But the moment you say mankind is intellectual different, and thereby removing the humanity of one group or the other, you're right to life becomes nonexistent in my eyes. To think such proves your own inhumanity, and in turn, I have no reason to think you worthy of the same equality of man.

edit on 2-9-2011 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)

My data is tainted, although you just stated you never read it? How do you know? lol

If dog's were forced into different variations by humans (Dogs are the most varied form of any species on the planet), I wonder how far humans could have been changed by extraterrestrials?

You are assuming things about me again, I never said we're not equally. Only that we are different, but for the record there is no such thing as equality, Not in nature, not anywhere. Even manufactured products cannot be equals to their twins because they still have flaws that render some better than others.
I've lost my right to life? So you will be the one to take me RIGHT away? Jeeez what are you saying? You got all your marbles?

RIGHT These are all just opinions, but the difference is that I state neither of our opinions is better, either could be wrong or right. Yet you claim the have the truth on your side and that I'm the hating, non-right to life person. awesome~! I'm not sure if life is a right anyway? If it is then what about all those organisms that get brutally killed and eaten by others? Or the child who's mother aborted it? Where is THEIR rights to life? Life is a privilege. I remember beating the rest of the sperm in the race to the egg and I earned my life.

Even though we have varied opinions, again, I condemn no one. Even if they hate me. Like you must.

Any third party can be the judge of this banter, and I believe I've made my case.
BTW I did have a peer thanking me and agreeing with my David Cole holocaust Denial video. So that would dispute your claim "Your data for the holocaust is tainted. Not scholarly. You've not supplied scholarly proof of your claims. Peer reviewed and approved opinions. To confuse the two is your own ignorance." I'd like to point out with your constant rebuttal you've not put forth any of this 'proof' you ask of me. Though I try, you do not.

reply to post by Sternblut


Because I've been around this block before. Many times. You only have to see the first few words or images to have the mind unzip the file of the previous discussion over it and it's not worth time bothering if it's not new data and the person is closed minded to any other data.

Humans were not altered by extra terrestrials, nor is there any proof for it. Please, no Red herring.


All humanity is within the same confines. of that difference. Once again, some simple education on biology would go a great long way to help you in your speakings. When two gene pools show the same extremes of traits and abilities, they can mate, and they have common culture, this is the same species. You can find equally dumb and equally smart people among all the races of Earth. IE, all humans are the same. Human isn't some set numerical value. It is a species, with a genetic pool of traits, cultures, abilities, and understandings. All humanity has the same.

People on ATS are not peer reviewed scientific or social articles reviewed by scholars with accepted consensus of knowledge.


Like I said earlier. If there was a village of people with beliefs like yours, and I was ordered to destroy it, not a tear would drop. You've showed your fruits, they are sour and look down at your fellow man. For that, in my eyes, you are not equal to the human race.

reply to post by Sternblut


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Hmm. So this user got banned for what I can only think of as excessive racism, after viewing their posts.


I'm not going to dance around a fire. But now this is something to think about, and I'd rather like many to think about it too.

I was reviewing this conversation after seeing the person had gotten banned, and I personally thing I was a bit too violent, though to be honest I still have to stand by what I said.

I just think all on all sides should think about this fact. I did, in fact, become as biased and angry as this person, in dealing with them. So perhaps, in the end, they won. Because fact is, I lived up to what I said. Only way to overturn such hatred is to become equally as hateful in some cases. Though as a Christian I reject this, even though having done it myself. I guess I'm a hypocrite sometimes.


I just wanted to note that, and wish the rest of ATS not follow in my footsteps. Because yea, I kind of feel bad about my own words in dealing with such people.

Just some post-mortem 2 cents.

reply to post by m1991


As I recall, every time it was brought up, depending upon the level of the class (I recall it was brought up nearly every year, though whether it is now, I don't know...) mention was made that numerous other groups were also murdered by govt. edict. That would mean that gypsies, communists, physically/mentally handicapped people, and many another group, up to and including Jews.