It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by demonseed
I had a dream recently, and boy was it strange. Im not going to go into what happened during the dream, but this image was repeatedly flashed to me:
I have never seen it before in my life, which is why the image appearing in my dreams is even more odd.
Everytime the image came up, somebody in the dream would say symbol(or cymbal, i wasn't sure).
My mind kept connecting it to Cymbal, but i play music so that might have been why. Im sure the people in my dream meant symbol though.
It says its from the Book of Murdok.
Does anyone know what this symbol means? Where it came from?
Originally posted by NorEaster
I'm always fascinated by the intense amount of explanation offered concerning the shapes and their significance, but the complete lack of concern over the primordial nature of "spirit" or why "spirit" is compelled to do what "spirit" does. What's the imperative that this "spirit" is serving? What is being served by the existence of "spirit"? Reality is real, and if a notion wants to be embraced as reality, then it has to deal with the very same issues that all real things deal with.
Originally posted by NorEaster
I accept the concept of redundant patterns within the structure of residual information, and how these patterns collect to build progressive development within the corporeal realm, but at some point we have to throw away the cartoon allegories and deal with the nuts and bolts of what's real beneath all of this.
Originally posted by MRSeuphoric1
reply to post by demonseed
Now I have to ask if you had never seen this symbol, how did you find it on the internet????
edit on 27-8-2011 by MRSeuphoric1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by dyllels
reply to post by NorEaster
I am interested in the points you brought up, and I have a few questions to add, so I'm going to jump in here a bit if that's alright? (At least until the OP comes back to clarify things a bit more)
Originally posted by NorEaster
I'm always fascinated by the intense amount of explanation offered concerning the shapes and their significance, but the complete lack of concern over the primordial nature of "spirit" or why "spirit" is compelled to do what "spirit" does. What's the imperative that this "spirit" is serving? What is being served by the existence of "spirit"? Reality is real, and if a notion wants to be embraced as reality, then it has to deal with the very same issues that all real things deal with.
In a way, I think that those sacred geometry shapes and their inter-relations are the building blocks of a spiritual and physical 'experience'. They are a blue-print to what could be possible.
Maybe we can never know the true nature of things. Take a binary code representation of a full operating system, one would need to be higher up the hierarchy ladder in order to understand a small portion's full significance.
As to why spirit is compelled to act the way it does: What if we had the ability to go back in time to when we were born so that we could re-learn everything we knew, and even more? At the end of my life, I might want to do it in order to push myself harder the 'next' time around. Couldn't that be the compelling nature of the spirit-actions?
In that case, if you take the thought way out of the box, then perhaps the OP could have written that book in a past-life, and his dreams are asking him to re-learn it in a new way? To push himself further this time around and add to the knowledge? Although, conversely, it might be telling him to stay clear of the topic completely.
Originally posted by NorEaster
I accept the concept of redundant patterns within the structure of residual information, and how these patterns collect to build progressive development within the corporeal realm, but at some point we have to throw away the cartoon allegories and deal with the nuts and bolts of what's real beneath all of this.
I completely agree with you, and well said. The thing that I find difficultly with, is actually dealing with the nuts and bolts themselves. There are always multiple reasons for why things happen the way they do.
Actually, then you get down to the nuts and bolts of things, the reasons why become very limited. When you take those few reasons down to their nuts and bolts level, the source of the impetus reduces to one. And that's the nature of reality. Each thing that happens - each event to its own source - occurs as a result of one cause. This is what's real. The notion that "it could've been anything" isn't true, and is just intellectual inertia in full display. There aren't "always multiple reasons why things happen the way they do." Each event has its initiation. Each event is unique, even if they can be connected together within a larger trajectory suite. Again, there is a fundamental real, and all that exists adheres to that fundamental real, even as it all contributes to that real and further defines it.
There could be hundred's of possible reasons why he saw that image. How can one work their way backwards to the source if the path's are all intertwined?
Actually, the suggestion I made had nothing to do with why he "saw that image". The suggestion I made had to do with why he launched a thread claiming to have seen that image. It's a subtle difference, but not a insignificant difference. Not as many intertwining paths there. One easy to determine cause for that event.
Sometimes, i think life that would not be as amazing if I didn't ponder these things. Maybe that is the true nature of the underlying reason?
Maybe it is, and maybe my reason for challenging these things is broadly aligned with your reason for ponder these things? I want to learn from people, and challenging their assertions is a way to get deeper into the full nature of what they are asserting. I love being challenged. It helps me dig deep into whatever it is that I've decided to embrace, and it has happened (the 9/11 conspiracy controversy and the Christian narrative enigma are two such examples in my own life) that I've been forced to reconsider my views and even deal with a wholesale revision of my own view on the subject. Imagine having to completely rethink something as foundational as your belief in the Christian gospel narrative. If you think that accepting it as being debunked was easy, then you weren't raised a Christian.
The 9/11 conspiracy issue was nothing compared to having to accept that Jesus was a Greek/Hebrew allegorical character that the Romans hijacked for their own empire-uniting religion's purposes. It still hurts to have to challenge that beautiful allegory when it is offered as evidence against a truthful premise. I miss Jesus as a human being who was crucified and who died for my sins. I wish it had been true, and had survived the examination of historical/logical veracity.
I dunno, as I said, just interested in hearing your views if I understood your post correctly
These are my views on that OP - relatively speaking. And, to whether you understood my post, it's hard to say. I suppose that you probably did. Then again, what often happens here is that a response is tailored to suggest that the post being responded to somehow missed the point that it was, itself, responding to. Just so that we're clear, I was challenging the OP's stated premise that he actually saw that image in his dream, and had never seen that image before seeing it in his dream and, immediately upon finding it on the Internet, not being able to understanding what it means, and subsequently posting it here for someone to help him understand what it means.
One glaring issue is the fact that if he found that image, then he could've found page after page of associated text concerning what that image means. And if he really wanted to know what that image means, he would've simply read what those pages contained, instead of asserting in this thread that what it is, is a complete mystery to him. Hell, he found the image. How do you find such an obscure image if you don't know the name of the image or (at least) relevant information about that image? I've used Google many times, and it doesn't work if you draw a picture and upload it into the search engine. You have to know the specific term - or at least terms that will bring you into the neighborhood.
Then, once you've found the image, that image has a name or a term attached to it. From there, it's one step to learning virtually everything you ever wanted to know about that image. It's not like finding it scrawled on the wall of an ancient catacomb, and then having to piece it all together over 90 minutes while foreign spies are trying to kill you and your beautiful (but equally mysterious) bombshell sidekick that you just scored in a wine bar in Brussels during the opening scenes. These days, you just click on the photo and then click "Remove Frame", and ta da, all you ever needed to know about that enigmatic image.
Maybe I'm too logical, but the whole premise seemed contrived, and I simply decided to challenge it. If I post something sketchy, then by all means challenge me on it. I welcome challenges.
edit on 8/28/2011 by NorEaster because: (no reason given)