Russia, China resist U.N. Syria sanctions push: envoys

The United States, Britain, France, Germany and Portugal have circulated a draft resolution that calls for sanctions against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, influential members of his family and close associates. They say they want to put it to a vote as soon as possible.

The measures are not as severe as U.S. sanctions in place and a proposed expansion of European Union steps against Damascus that would forbid the import of Syrian oil.

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Hmm... Does anyone think that Russia and China might be a little more forceful about denouncing any sanctions against these countries after the Libya fiasco? I kinda hope that Russia and/or China (perferably both) veto these proposed sanctions that will most likely lead to some sort of air strikes (if they arent already happening) and if thats the case, expect to see NATO continue its destruction and pillaging of countries...

Your thoughts?!

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Both of these countries are as bad if not worse than NATO. I would think everything they do is in their own power structures interested as well as probably part of the big picture power players interests.

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They may or may not be the most outstanding countries, however they are not involved in these illegal wars are they? whatever your reason for not liking the Russians or Chinese, they are not bombing innocent civilians in Libya or backing a rebel group that includes many admited members of Al-qaeda!

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My thought, hmmmm. Hypothetical here. What if Canadians decided to stage a peaceful protest of some kind. TPTB decided they would put a stop to it by shelling the protesters with Canadian warships. Would you not welcome, at the very least, sanctions on those that bombed your friends and family?

Should oppose autocratic, now should avoid war

China, Russia, India, Syria, Lybia, all need to wood up and just bomb everyone......i would of a long time ago..

Originally posted by Nspekta
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They may or may not be the most outstanding countries, however they are not involved in these illegal wars are they? whatever your reason for not liking the Russians or Chinese, they are not bombing innocent civilians in Libya or backing a rebel group that includes many admited members of Al-qaeda!

They are pretty much the same, they just have different methods and different requirements. The invasion of Georgia as well as funding insurgence in Ukraine, and China's brutal invasion of Tibet and Tiananmen Square to name some simple examples of just how brutal communists governments that don't have to appease the public can be.

When NATO countries do their invading, they do so by stealth and spin, its exactly the same thing.

All i can see coming out of this is in the future more power for the UN so that future 'police actions' dont get blocked.

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Neither China nor Russia is communist anymore. Russia doesn't even pretend to be since the USSR ended. China might still give lip service to the word "communist," but they operate an economic and social system that is very, VERY far from it these days. I don't know if there is a word for what China is, now. You can say they are both totalitarian, sure, but not communist.

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If communism has a leader, it is no longer communism.

Was Libya a fiasco as the OP states? It was only a fiasco if you wanted the prize nut-job Gaddafi and his autocratic and repressive apparatus to stay in power. Otherwise Libya looks like being a success, albeit with short-term complications in getting stability and progress. We should hope that Libya is able to flourish as a nation unencumbered by the type of government that is self serving and autocratic.

The problem China and Russia have is that in condemning autocratic regimes who brutally repress, they are (er) condemning themselves, where both governments (especially China) have demonstrated (and currently demonstrate) serious repression. To condemn the actions in Syria is to condemn themselves. Tiananmen Square is still a fresh memory and the ruling Chinese autocrats have demonstrated that the life of a Chinese is pretty cheap when they are threatened. Does anyone here really thing that the Chinese Communist Party would willingly hand over power to the people when / if this is demanded?

In the blue corner we have the liberal democracies which condemn human rights violations and repression. In the red corner we have the nations who are the part of the problem.

Regards

Vladimir Putin, what a joke. He flexes his muscles in a pillowed room full of strippers. Ooo look at how manly he is. What a little girl.

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they are not bombing innocent civilians in Libya or backing a rebel group that includes many admited members of Al-qaeda!

Your so right. Why bother bombing innocent civilians thousands of miles away when you can do the same slowly over time to your own populace.

NATO should learn from this and bomb their own people, just like upstanding citizens of the world China.

Tiananmen

Would save some fuel, and is greener (less of carbon footprint).

Doesnt matter if Russia and China oppose it. They have opposed many resolutions and the West will do what they always do and that is they will act outside the UN. They just try this route first. No brainer. No news.

The key to the syrian thing is turkey, who has up till know
been a supporter of the curent batch of dirt bags. if anyone can lagitimatly
put boots on the ground in syria it's turkey claim humanitarism
and stamp the old gard out, giving turkey more sway in syria.
no one will put up a fuss if it's turkey