Calderon Calls The U.S. A Nation Of Drug Addicts

Hi,

I've looked all around and couldn't find this story. My apologies if it's already here. Mods, if this is in the wrong forum, please move. I don't thread much.

I just saw this story on Yahoo news about Mexican president Felipe Calerons response to the Casino tragedy that killed 53 people. In it, he places a lot of blame on us for being " insatiable" drug users and demand that we put a stop to it.

news.yahoo.com...

He also pointed the finger at corruption in his own country, but he was basically saying that if the U.S. wasn't so full of drug users that this tragedy might not have happened. He also called on the law abiding citizens to stand up and help put a stop to all the drug violence.

Here's a novel idea Felipe, why don't you get your own army more involved ? This sort of thing has been going on for a long time and I don't see anyone on either side of the border making any headway at all. It's as if both countries say they are doing all they can, but the violence, drugs and arms running keeps getting heavier and heavier. If I didn't know any better I'd have to say that a bunch of nerds are trying to get involved with a street fight, and then wonder why they're losing.

I've heard of passing the buck, but calling the country that buys the drugs that they make a nation of drug addicts sounds like somebody doesn't want to face the reality of the situation. And the reality is if that he did away with all of the ways that his country makes and distributes drugs and weapons, his own people wouldn't be getting killed everyday.

I know that sort of thing won't happen overnight, but this guy obviously doesn't know that if you want to defeat people as brutal as the ones doing all the killing lately, you have to get down on their level. At least just long enough to take care of business. But nobody seems to be able or willing to get their hands dirty for a good cause. Sure, we'll go overseas and fight for right to get more oil and put money in the pockets of the contractors assigned to re-build the countries we destroy in the process, but to help our neighbors south of the border (after, of course, their own army starts kickin' a**) restore a more peaceful and productive life that will benefit both of us?

God forbid

It's time both leaders, starting with Calderon, stand up and show people what they're really capable of.

Ha! Maybe so, the real question is who is worse? The u.s. that is full of drug addicts or mexico that is full of drug dealers who are supplying the drug addicts?

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I'd invite him to grab the bull by the horns...

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You got to love the way people pass the buck!! It's so easy to blame others when things are tough. Like one hand holding the rag while the other hand holds the soap, it just comes so natural doesn't it?
Maybe Calderon should call his country a Nation of Drug Dealers and Kidnappers!! I don't see the people that come to The US from Mexico complaining about The US and returning cause it's so much better there than here!

Yep he is just another leader in a long line of leaders that have absolutely no control over his own country, so they have to find someone else to blame for their failures. It's our fault now....oh brother. Like we have never heard that before.

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple

Here's a novel idea Felipe, why don't you get your own army more involved ? This sort of thing has been going on for a long time and I don't see anyone on either side of the border making any headway at all. It's as if both countries say they are doing all they can, but the violence, drugs and arms running keeps getting heavier and heavier. If I didn't know any better I'd have to say that a bunch of nerds are trying to get involved with a street fight, and then wonder why they're losing.

Taupin, your idea is not very novel at all. It is the same one that is applied worldwide. It has had no success anywhere. A truly novel idea would be for Calderon to legalize all drugs in his country. What could the US do, go to war? Very unlikely. The violence in his country would dramatically decrease and his number one customer would be right next door.

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I suppose NO Mexicans are doing any of the drugs. The US must be buying up all the drugs they make to make the Mexicans kill eachother so we can take over their country when they are weak.

..so calderon said the obvious... he's not the first, wont be the last... does make me wonder why he's acting like he's not in crap's creek up to his eyeballs... maybe his cooperation check from the cia was late this month...

Sorry to say but he is right. Ask any one that works in the medical profession.

It is ridiculous. The amount of tax payer dollars that are wasted in our hospitals that goes to drug seekers looking for their free fix. Even worse is the number of man hours that go to providing druggies their legal fix while legitimate patients have to go unattended when the time consuming, disruptive often hostile drug addict is sucking up the Dilaudid and the caregivers time.

This is a huge problem that has really gotten out of control in the hospitals and had gotten worse since they have started cracking down on the pill mills.

Originally posted by BillfromCovina

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple

Here's a novel idea Felipe, why don't you get your own army more involved ? This sort of thing has been going on for a long time and I don't see anyone on either side of the border making any headway at all. It's as if both countries say they are doing all they can, but the violence, drugs and arms running keeps getting heavier and heavier. If I didn't know any better I'd have to say that a bunch of nerds are trying to get involved with a street fight, and then wonder why they're losing.

Taupin, your idea is not very novel at all. It is the same one that is applied worldwide. It has had no success anywhere. A truly novel idea would be for Calderon to legalize all drugs in his country. What could the US do, go to war? Very unlikely. The violence in his country would dramatically decrease and his number one customer would be right next door.

I beg to differ. The people of Libya can tell you first hand that standing up and fighting off a violent and oppressive regime does work. And that's exactly what the drug runners in Mexico are.

The people of Mexico need to take notice of countries like that and realize they can take their own country back as well. In my opinion, this is going to happen way before the legalization of the drugs in question.

I wish it didn't have to be that way, but I'm just being realistic.

Why can't we just make drugs legal and take the bite out of all the big dogs' barks?

Poor little Mexico working to supply all those stoned Americans. lol
yeah.

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Of course, he has to blame somebody, not his own country of corrupted people and government . Why not us? It certainly can't be the cartels that keep the Mexican economy running (such as it is) and the government people happy with "incentives."

Both the Mexican and the US governments benefit by the billions in drug money and billions in private remitences flowing south from workers in the US. Without that "free market" of both shades, Mexico would collapse in a heartbeat and the southern US states would be at war with millions of Mexicans escaping north. Plus, the US government would rush in with billions of taxpayer dollars to restructure Mexico. With the current "system" the drug users pay the billions to keep Mexico a Third World world rather than one that would entirely fail if left to its own devices..

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple

I beg to differ. The people of Libya can tell you first hand that standing up and fighting off a violent and oppressive regime does work. And that's exactly what the drug runners in Mexico are.

The people of Mexico need to take notice of countries like that and realize they can take their own country back as well. In my opinion, this is going to happen way before the legalization of the drugs in question.

I wish it didn't have to be that way, but I'm just being realistic.

The people of Libya don't know enough to say anything works. They had it great under Gadhafi compared to the years of misery that are ahead of them. Rebuilding, sectarian violence, plundered wealth, and worse poverty is what they have to look forward to. As for Mexico, the violence only increased as the government cracked down on drugs. You can never stop people from wanting to feel good. Why not have a war on sex while you are at it. These never ending wars that can not be won are only fought to increase the government's power. Once you realize this and start offering solutions that will work, then you are being realistic.

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
The people of Libya can tell you first hand that standing up and fighting off a violent and oppressive regime does work.

...depends on which ones you ask... if you ask those who are paid cia informants / disrupters / instigators, you'll hear your version...

He is worthless.
Typical Mexican, always blaming someone else for their own problems.
He wont acknowledge that pretty much the entire military/police force is corrupt because he is corrupt himself.

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HAHAHA Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black. LMFAO! HAHAHA! Wow funny how in America we have no translation or word for Siesta (an afternoon nap). Well they have whole towns that stop running for siestas just to be layabouts lol, then they have the nerve to call us a nation of lazy drug addicts hahaha. Sorry I think he has been hitting the pipe WAY too hard.

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
I wish it didn't have to be that way, but I'm just being realistic.

No you're not. Here's realistic. The drug trade will continue, but drugs will not be legalized. The violence will continue because there's no way to combat it. Many people will die, and no one will really care, and it doesn't matter anyway because the human race loves to screw which leads to replacement people being made.

The only thing anyone can do about it is to avoid places where drug violence is likely to occur.

Originally posted by Sunsetspawn

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
I wish it didn't have to be that way, but I'm just being realistic.

No you're not. Here's realistic. The drug trade will continue, but drugs will not be legalized. The violence will continue because there's no way to combat it. Many people will die, and no one will really care, and it doesn't matter anyway because the human race loves to screw which leads to replacement people being made.

The only thing anyone can do about it is to avoid places where drug violence is likely to occur.

Tell us what you really think

Seriously, you about hit the nail on the head

Originally posted by Sunsetspawn

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
I wish it didn't have to be that way, but I'm just being realistic.

No you're not. Here's realistic. The drug trade will continue, but drugs will not be legalized. The violence will continue because there's no way to combat it. Many people will die, and no one will really care, and it doesn't matter anyway because the human race loves to screw which leads to replacement people being made.

The only thing anyone can do about it is to avoid places where drug violence is likely to occur.

I'll be honest. Sometimes I see that too. I just wanna throw my hands up and say forget it, they're all hopeless.

But there are other times when I see people get fed up with all the bullsh#t, take matters into their own hands, because their leaders sure can't do it, and take care of business themselves. Because if it continues on, the only logical progression will be that there will be no more safe places where drug violence doesn't happen. There will be no more places where you can run and bury your head in the sand and tell yourself that there's nothing you can do about it.

You can actually see it happening in other places and it's going to have to happen in Mexico.

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
The people of Libya can tell you first hand that standing up and fighting off a violent and oppressive regime does work.

...depends on which ones you ask... if you ask those who are paid cia informants / disrupters / instigators, you'll hear your version...

In a perfect world there would be no CIA.

I think it would surprise a lot of people as to how peaceful this world would be if they weren't around.

But the fact remains that there are WAY more ordinary people who want peace than there are CIA types and the warmongering types who the CIA help put in power of certain countries. The ordinary people are starting to wake up to that fact and are starting to make some positive changes here and there in the world