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reply posted on 26-8-2011 @ 12:57 PM by Amaterasu
Originally posted by The GUT
Originally posted by Amaterasu


This was difficult for Me to answer... It was very "black and white" - Humans were created by "supernatural being" or evolved.

The third possibility is that in part They evolved, and were given Their Beinghood by extraterrestrials. I have found enough evidence to suggest this is the most likely scenario.

Did you find any evidence on who created the extraterrestrials?
edit on 26-8-2011 by The GUT because: (no reason given)


[grin] I would place that in the "evolution" category. Over all, I am a firm believer in evolution. I just believe that here, on Earth, We have a vaster and more interesting history than any We are taught in school. Humans, I am sure, were genetically manipulated.


reply posted on 26-8-2011 @ 01:01 PM by Gorman91
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That just doesn't seem plausible to me. You can't take the writings of what may or may not have been a drug induced comatic dream as evidence for anything. As we ourselves show, it is as easy as making a machine to get gold. No need to create life.

Have you ever heard of planet cracking?

I'm pretty sure the whimpering cries of a cat I saw two days ago that had been run over but was still alive would ask for rights if it could talk. Being able to ask for rights is homocentric. If it's alive, it would probably prefer to stay alive. There isn't anything noble about humanity other than the fact that we can choose to be, but by default are not. That's why it took us so many thousands of years to become noble. We had to learn to get there.
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reply posted on 26-8-2011 @ 01:05 PM by RUNSILENT
reply to post by Blue_Jay33



well you know that guys that like to fight only have to go to local pub and discuss religion or politics
the fight will be right on the way lol
learned that from some ausie in pearl back in the day and they liked to fight
and drink oh do not even mention the queen ( elton john i think )


reply posted on 26-8-2011 @ 01:07 PM by RUNSILENT
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i ask the vegans if that ear of corn screamed
its alive too is it not just as my steak had to grow


reply posted on 26-8-2011 @ 01:10 PM by Gorman91
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Cells send of signals when presented with a threat. Just because it's not screaming, doesn't mean it isn't. "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream".

The fact that it doesn't have neurons doesn't mean it doesn't feel pain. That, too, is homocentric. When dealing with things living you cannot be so homocentric as to assume just because it doesn't have your parts doesn't mean it doesn't experience the same. Those cells send off signals. But it's a collectivism approach, not like the cells in your flesh, to which there is a much more defined hierarchy. Still all the same, biochemical receptors scream out with pulsating signals to resist heat, resist cold, keep alive. It's just not electrical.


reply posted on 26-8-2011 @ 01:11 PM by Gorman91
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That option is there. You say you believe the big bang did it, but that the Earth was created. It's implied.


reply posted on 26-8-2011 @ 01:12 PM by neo96
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right there with you man something created everything.

have to admit andi am going to steal a movie line from red planet "science cant answer ALL the really interesting questions"

science without a soulis like living without a heart
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reply posted on 26-8-2011 @ 01:14 PM by Amaterasu
Originally posted by Gorman91
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That just doesn't seem plausible to me. You can't take the writings of what may or may not have been a drug induced comatic dream as evidence for anything. As we ourselves show, it is as easy as making a machine to get gold. No need to create life.

Have you ever heard of planet cracking?

I'm pretty sure the whimpering cries of a cat I saw two days ago that had been run over but was still alive would ask for rights if it could talk. Being able to ask for rights is homocentric.


"If it could talk???" No, My dear, the concept of "rights" is one of Beings, not the lower levels of Consciousness. The cat would not have anything to say about rights, having no concept of such or the capability to understand its personal implications. And while We're at it, if We were chickens, We could lay eggs...

If it's alive, it would probably prefer to stay alive.


The instinct to live is hardly the same thing as formulating the concept of rights and the implications thereof.

There isn't anything noble about humanity other than the fact that we can choose to be, but by default are not.


In fact, when One examines the reasons for virtually all of the less than noble behaviors, money/power/energy is involved. Yes, Humans are saddled with an unnecessary system of energy exchange accounting, and it is true that the love of money (which We are led to from day one - "Be a doctor. They make LOTS of money!") is the root of all evil. And led as We are, it's a wonder We function as well as We do, most maintaining the three Laws, with societal manipulation that justifies any mass breaking of the Laws (i.e., war) so that the war suppliers can make money.

That's why it took us so many thousands of years to become noble. We had to learn to get there.


We have always been noble, swayed by Out hearts. Only when the energy flow was inefficient was money created to account for it, and the evil slipped in as some fell in love with it and abandoned the Laws in favor of profit.



reply posted on 26-8-2011 @ 01:24 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by Amaterasu



We also don't understand gravity, nor quantum mechanics. Should we as a species just not bother with those things?

See how that's a bad idea?

Just because it can't know, doesn't mean it doesn't have rights.

In fact, the instinct to live is the causality for the need of rights. It is the consensus of the human species that we would rather live than die. And in order to continue their rule, leaders have created the concept of rights and privileges in order to appease to this consensus. Once again, I am fairly certain our ne'er relatives homo erects had no ability to conceptualize the idea of rights, and yet I'm fairly sure they all agreed it was a good idea not to rape and pillage because even though at that level of evolution mankind had no ability to conceptualize the idea of rights, he lived by them knowing they were a wise idea.



We have always been noble, swayed by Out hearts. Only when the energy flow was inefficient was money created to account for it, and the evil slipped in as some fell in love with it and abandoned the Laws in favor of profit.


No actually. For there are many areas and many times in this Earth when man had plenty, and yet still had money and evil and no nobility. I can think of the time of the Minoans. When they crashed, the Mycenaean and Dorians, both got their lovely hands on the cities, but had no capacity to rule them. Minoans had plenty. Their new masters had plenty. Yet still, the uncivilized rulers chose to be brutal.

No, humanity has only ever been noble when he tries. As to being swayed by our hearts? This is not noble. This is weakness of self. You should never be swayed by your heart unless your mind gives you an ok on the logic backing it.
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reply posted on 26-8-2011 @ 01:30 PM by The GUT
Originally posted by Amaterasu
Originally posted by The GUT
Originally posted by Amaterasu


This was difficult for Me to answer... It was very "black and white" - Humans were created by "supernatural being" or evolved.

The third possibility is that in part They evolved, and were given Their Beinghood by extraterrestrials. I have found enough evidence to suggest this is the most likely scenario.

Did you find any evidence on who created the extraterrestrials?
edit on 26-8-2011 by The GUT because: (no reason given)


[grin] I would place that in the "evolution" category. Over all, I am a firm believer in evolution. I just believe that here, on Earth, We have a vaster and more interesting history than any We are taught in school. Humans, I am sure, were genetically manipulated.

It's a testament to the wonder of "us" that all these things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. The quantum physics theories in particular show promise in reconciling science and spirituality.

While I'm not Catholic or a supporter of Sitchin's overall thesis, I find the following exchange between the two fascinating and relevant to this discussion. An example of two opposing viewpoints moving towards each other.

As the last line in the following exchange between Zechariah Sitchin and Father Balducci suggest, "it seems to me that we are ascending the same stairway to heaven, though from different steps."

...As Balducci made clear, "Angels" are beings who are purely spiritual, devoid of bodies, while humans are made up of spirit and matter, but the spiritual part would be at "at a low level". Balducci then made the following provocative statement:

It is entirely credible that in the enormous distance between Angels and humans, there could be found some middle stage, that is beings with a body like ours but more elevated spiritually...

...However, when I personally interviewed Sitchin in Washington DC in 1995, his point-blank answer to the question of the genesis of the Anunnaki on their planet was "evolution."..

...Yet, with the writing of his last book in the Earth Chronicles series, Sitchin’s thinking had slowly evolved from this idea that the Anunnaki were products of evolution on their planet.

As he later began to explain it, the Anunnaki were "emissaries" of God. By the time he met Monsignor Balducci earlier this year, Sitchin had long made room for the possibility that the Anunnaki were carrying out "the Almighty God’s wishes and plans," and did not merely "come here for selfish reasons and to fashion us because they needed workers." We must wonder what has caused Sitchin’s change of heart.

As Balducci has argued,
"If such extraterrestrials were so involved, even by your own interpretation they had to do with Man’s physics, body and rationality; but God alone had to do with the Soul!"

Sitchin’s second book, which deals with
"Man’s aspiration to ascend the heavens," is titled The Stairway to Heaven. Sitchin ended his conversation with Msgr. Balducci by saying,

"it seems to me that we are ascending the same stairway to heaven, though from different steps."
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

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