Originally posted by hmdphantom
reply to post by getreadyalready
Challenge for all masons and informed ones
There are lots of things wrong things Freemasonry :
1.The best way to understand Freemasonry is to be a mason.
What is wrong with that? The best way to understand physics is to become a physicist. Of course your #1 is true, but I don't see the problem.
2.There are people who intend that there is nothing wrong with Freemasonry and it is disconnected from :
I don't understand.
3.They educate their students by 1.Symbolism 2.Stories instead of reasoning and analyze. They give examples that doesn't match the matter
completely , they mislead people.
There isn't anything hard and fast to learn in Masonry. It isn't like learning grammar or arithmetic. There are parables and examples, because
those things are illustrative and they allow one to learn in an organic manner that is unique to each person. Many teachers use allegories and
parables. Plato used it. Religions use it. Even Elementary school teachers use it. I bet you, yourself have been explaining something, and when
someone didn't understand, you stepped back and rephrased it, or used an example, or made up a story to illustrate a point.
We absolutely DO NOT mislead people.
4.Egyptian paganism (Anubis , Ankh , Obelisk , Eye of Ra , Baphomet )
Been a Mason over 6 years. Never heard a word about any of that stuff (except on ATS).
5.The Sons of Israel : They are referred in Quran in several situations and they are not referred as Jews in Quran.
Been a Mason over 6 years and a Shriner more than 5. We proudly display the Quran on the Altar during open Shrine meetings, alongside the King James
Bible, and the Epic of Gilgamesh. If someone requested it, we would probably display any other holy book there. All religions are equal in our eyes
as long as they have a singular god at their center.
6.Symbolism in Israel different places to referring Freemasonry. (Israel supreme court , Freemasonry monument in ilat , Israel flag
Just like Jay-Z and other music producers? Symbolism is mysterious and interesting. It is used by artists in many ways. Masons are not necessarily
the ones pushing this issue. No Mason is begging Jay-Z to throw it in all of his videos. They just use it to make things more interesting.
7.Dollar bill referring Freemasonry ( in every different aspect )
King Soloman's temple was not a Pyramid. That is not our symbolism. We use a Sprig of Acacia, not an Olive Branch. The Dollar Bill was not
designed by a Mason, although many of the Founding Fathers were Masons, so it is likely that the artist was striving to impress them. It is just an
artistic rendition, it isn't Masonic.
8.Bohemian Groove midsummer , ....
A weird, fruity, homo-erotic summer camp for rich boys? Has nothing to do with Masonry. It is just a retreat for extremely wealthy men to act
stupid. Most Masons I know would rather be fishing, or working on their house or yard, or for the younger single guys, maybe even hanging out at a
strip club. I don't know any Masons that have any desire to attend a Bohemian Grove event. In fact, I'd venture to say, I probably only know 2 or
3 out of 100's that would even know what Bohemian Grove is.
9.Suspicious connection with Jew (Menorah , Jew Prophet - Solomon , Magic , The Land of peace - Dar assalam - Jerusalem , Solomon's temple ,
Why is it suspicious? A lot of Masonry is derived from the old testament. Nothing suspicious about it, just facts. Masons are religious people, and
many of them believe in the Abrahamic faiths and draw their morality from that area.
10.Suspicious connection with Christians ( Da Vinci , holy grail , obelisks in Vatican , building churches for Christians , Knight Templar ,
Priory of Zion )
Same as #9
11. 9 + 10 = They are using connection with Christians but they are using Kabalah as their theosophy. So , they can not be referred as Jew
neither Christian. They are using Christians as a shell and they are following Jews.
They are none of the above. Each Mason chooses whatever religion fits him the best. We don't teach anything specific to religion. I suppose that
is where the Agnostic and Kabbalist connection mistake is made. In fact, the closest religion you could ascribe to Masonry would be Deism. That is
kind of where I find myself in the whole religious aspect. My God is undefined and unpersonified, but it is singular, ever-living, and it pervades
every aspect of my life. I don't bother naming it, or subscribing to any religion. My belief is probably closer to Buddhist than Christianity, but
it really is neither.