54 dead in attack on casino in northern Mexico

20 dead in attack on casino in northern Mexico

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Gunmen burst into a casino in the northern city of Monterrey on Thursday and doused the premises with a flammable liquid, starting a fire that killed more than 20 people and left a dozen injured, authorities said.

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This is really scary.

This city is just a couple of hundred of miles from the U.S. and is under siege by the drug cartels.

Information from other news outlets say that present at the time were only old people and single women! What I don't understand, is why these thugs are taking it against their own, innocent people!

This is terrorism, plain and simple. Mexico has turned into a killing field. The dead tally of the past five years is well over 55.000 thousand people! That's more than all the casualties in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined!

I wonder how many more people have to die before the governments of the world recognize that the so-called "war on drugs" is an abject failure and has turned into a massacre.


edit to add: updated reports claim of over 32 dead in this single episode.

second edit...34 dead and counting

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reply to post by RadioKnecht
Hello RK -

It definitely is terrible, and absolutely is terrorism in the purest sense of the word - sadly also exposing the hypocrisy and falsehood of the "Global War on Terrorism" the US is involved in, when we've got a running war taking place on our southern border.

The cartels have actively challenged and killed our border security, effectively caused entire mexican towns to capitulate and recognize them as the supreme authority, and stockpiled military hardware and multiple millions upon millions (if not more) dollars for themselves - please see this gallery over at Ebaum's World showing what they found in the home of one mexican drug lord...call me crazy, but I don't think any of the supposed 'islamic terrorists' have rocked anything quite like this, or gotten away with anywhere near as much as the US FEDGOV seems happy to ignore down south.

They would most definitely be served via harm reduction by taking the profit out of this issue and treating it properly as a public health issue instead of a criminal situation, which just drives it underground and makes it much more profitable (and hence, dangerous).

Hopefully they'll wake up soon, otherwise people will continue to die, have their lives ruined, and suffer in general. Take care and stay safe out there.

reply to post by RadioKnecht

The casino thing is tragic. As far as the war on drugs is concerned, we are fighting ourselves really. If people didn't create a demand for these drugs the cartels would have no business. It's kind of like we are funding the drug dealers then funding federal agents to go after them. It really makes no sense to me.

reply to post by RadioKnecht

This city is just a couple of hundred of miles from the U.S. and is under siege by the drug cartels.

You do realize that Juarez is the most deadly city in the world and its just across the border. It has been under siege by the Cartels for at least a couple of years.

reply to post by TriForce
THANKS...Juarez is what was tickling my brain. Isn't that where we've had the severed heads thrown across the border or some such?

Whatever happened to Mexico's "emergency legalization of drugs to prevent further violence?"

I remember some talk of that a while back. Seems it's the only thing left to try cause everything else is not working.

reply to post by TrueAmerican
Hi TA.

Basically, our government exerted their expert "anti-drug" policy weight - amongst various other threats and leverage - to dissuade them from such an obviously LUDICROUS (yeah, right?) policy...to wonderful effect.

But they aren't terrorists, no no...no need to worry about them. We'll just keep chasing spectres around the world that don't challenge any of our own policies.

Urgh.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Nothing is going to work because its not supposed to work, since our Justice Dept (Eric Holder) is actively supplying the Sineola cartel with arms because they are fighting the main competitors of the US drug trade, the Zetas, who ironically are made up of former Mexican Military and Police.

Hello everyone.

I agree with what most of you guys are saying about the need to legalize drugs. After all, the only thing drug gangs fear is legalization. The perfect case study of what would happen if we walked down the legalization road is the prohibition in the 1920's. When drinking alcohol was criminalized, black markets and gangsters sprawled like fungi. When prohibition ended, so did the gangsters, the bootleggers and their source of income. Police and economic resources could then be focused on more urgent matters.

Hence, if drugs haven't been decriminalized yet, we must then ask ourselves who is benefitting on the American side of the border from the trade. If we follow the money, we'll get the answer: politicians. As simple as that. They are the ones milking the drug cash cow. They are thus the first ones opposed to open the market they control. It's simple economics:

When there is a demand, there will always be a supply. When the supply is scarce or overregulated, prices will go up.

It's really sad to witness how Mexico is slowly spiralling down into an open free-for-all revolution, because of the hipocrisy from governments on both sides of the border. People are restless, fed up beyond belief with the insecurity and the feeling that they're on their own.

Indeed, there will be wars and rumors of wars.

Originally posted by Praetorius

as the US FEDGOV seems happy to ignore down south.

They would most definitely be served via harm reduction by taking the profit out of this issue and treating it properly as a public health issue instead of a criminal situation, which just drives it underground and makes it much more profitable (and hence, dangerous).

Hopefully they'll wake up soon, otherwise people will continue to die, have their lives ruined, and suffer in general. Take care and stay safe out there.

Problem is, the US FEDGOV is not ignoring this. That would be a pre-2007 improvement. The US is actively arming the criminal cartels and taking active steps to foment the violence.

I agree about doing away with prohibition or at least not treating it as a criminal action, though the latter won't quite fix the problem.

Believe, they ARE awake, very awake and aware of what they do. There is a larger agenda being carried out. To what end? Just as suggested in this (and just about every other thread), storm into Mexico so the US can take over their resources. This has gone on since the Yanks moved-in next door.

Just another reason in a million that Mexico is the single biggest security threat to the United States. But somehow it makes sense to fight people half a world a way than to fight an enemy that shares a land border with us that's over a thousand miles long.

reply to post by Erongaricuaro

Problem is, the US FEDGOV is not ignoring this. That would be a pre-2007 improvement. The US is actively arming the criminal cartels and taking active steps to foment the violence.

I agree about doing away with prohibition or at least not treating it as a criminal action, though the latter won't quite fix the problem.

Beliee, they ARE awake, very awake and aware of what they do. There is a larger agenda being carried out. To what end? Just as suggested in this (and just about every other thread), storm into Mexico so the US can take over their resources. This has gone on since the Yanks moved-in next door.

Well said friend, and my apologies for unintentional misleading. I'm well aware of 'Operation Fast and Furious' and that there definitely appears to be a (much wider and global) agenda.

My reference to ignoring was on the basis of the so-called War on Terror as this is obviously a 'terrorist'-related situation, but the US government would rather go after what is effectively non-issues in the matter.

You are utterly correct in righting me on this, and it's a sad thing on several level that this is the case. Agreed that additional steps would be required to actually address the issue in full as criminal instances like this always have various other factors and inputs, but as far as the drug-related violence, a change in policy and US leaning on mexican government would help a great deal.

Stay safe down there!

Originally posted by RadioKnecht
This is terrorism, plain and simple. Mexico has turned into a killing field. The dead tally of the past five years is well over 55.000 thousand people! That's more than all the casualties in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined!

I wonder how many more people have to die before the governments of the world recognize that the so-called "war on drugs" is an abject failure and has turned into a massacre.

They know all about it because they engineered it.

And it's not a failure, it's producing the exact results it was designed to produce.

Unfortunately, this is how the world works. This is how those with control of the world choose to exercise it.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Whatever happened to Mexico's "emergency legalization of drugs to prevent further violence?"

I remember some talk of that a while back. Seems it's the only thing left to try cause everything else is not working.

It's not about whether or not Mexico legalizes drugs, but whether or not America does.

Mexico can outlaw or legalize whatever it wants, but that isn't going to stop this, because this involves a lot of money for a lot of people in some very important agencies.

sorry for double post

So.. now the cartels are attacking tourists places uh?

How long before they attack hotels?

I mean, this is good for the cartels if nobody goes to Mexico.... people get poorer... therefore they turn to crime... and it gives the cartels more foot soldiers.

So far, it's been 61 dead and counting.

Monterrey used to be the most developed and safe city in Latinamerica, before the "war on drugs" arrived.

I wonder how people could just sit there and let it come to this.

Originally posted by RadioKnecht
So far, it's been 61 dead and counting.

Monterrey used to be the most developed and safe city in Latinamerica, before the "war on drugs" arrived.

I wonder how people could just sit there and let it come to this.

No one sat still and let it happen. This was a concerted effort that did not originate this side of the border. Though there were crime cartels there was order in how they operated. The Beltran-Leyva cartel had control over Montery plaza and all was quiet. A few years ago there were only four major cartels. How many now?

The method has been to cut off the top leaders and let the lieutenants fight for control, splinter off with their "soldiers" and create new cartels and violence. Thanks to US special forces advisors (CIA) the plan is on-track. Now the American people are clamoring to enter Mexico. I would say their plan is working splendidly.

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So your argument is that the whole war on drugs and the misery it's brought, is just part of a concerted effort to take over Mexico?

What for? The country's oil reserves are dwindling according to the last reports.