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Busted!! fake news on libya- movie sets, fake videos and pics, death threats to journalists

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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by patternfinder
 


I guess if the real measure of quality of life is hte price of petrol then they msut have been one of hte happiest bunches in the world.

A known disinfo technique is twisting and then misrepresenting what has been said in order to try to discredit it.

I haven't see one person say that the price of oil alone is the real measure of quality of life. Not one.


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But it's not really like that, is ist, and it's a bit specious to suggest that it is!



Agreed, your false premise is indeed specious.




The wiki article on minimum incomes gives the following for pre-revolt Libya:



Here's a different perspective:

Full article: www.globalresearch.ca...



High standard of living achieved

After government revenue, supported by rising oil prices, richly flowed once more, living conditions have clearly improved. The country now ranks 53rd on the HDI index, better than all other African countries and also better than the richer and Western-backed Saudi Arabia. Using “Government subsidies in health, agriculture and food imports," along with "a simultaneous increase in household income,” could "extreme poverty" be virtually eliminated, stated the UNDP in its monitor of the millennium development goals of the UN. (Millennium Development Goals: Goal 1 - Goal 8, UNDP Libya Office)

The life expectancy rose to 74.5 years and is now the highest in Africa. It is now almost one and a half years higher than in Saudi Arabia, which was the reverse of the situation in 1980 (UNDP Database) The infant mortality rate declined to 17 deaths per 1,000 births and is not nearly as high as in Algeria (41) and also lower than in Saudi Arabia (21). (WHO, Global Health Indicators 2010) Libya is also ahead in the care of pregnant women and the reduction of maternal mortality. Malaria was eradicated completely.

According to the UNDP, a lack of human resources in health care still presents a problem, but "the gradual reintegration of the country into the international economy after the lifting of sanctions” is leading “to better availability of health care. The government provides all citizens with free health care and achieved high coverage in the most basic health areas.”

The illiteracy rate dropped to 11.6 percent in Libya, and is well below that of Egypt (33.6 percent), Algeria (27.4 percent), Tunisia (22 percent) and Saudi Arabia (14.5 percent). (See Human Development Report 2010)

The UNDP-calculated Education Index, which in addition to literacy also includes the number of pupils in secondary schools and university students, is even higher than that of small super-rich emirates Kuwait and Qatar, which can hardly be compared with the Arab territorial states. (See UNDP, Arab Human Development Report 2009 and UNDP, Human Development Report 2009)

The UNDP certified that Libya has also made "a significant progress in gender equality,” particularly in the fields of education and health, while there is still much to do regarding representation in politics and the economy. With a relative low "index of gender inequality" the UNDP places the country in the Human Development Report 2010 concerning gender equality at rank 52 and thus also well ahead of Egypt (ranked 108), Algeria (70), Tunisia (56), Saudi Arabia (ranked 128) and Qatar (94). Even Argentina (ranked 60) seems worse in this regard.

In view of these achievements, the positive Human Rights assessment of developments in Libya should hardly be a surprise.



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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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reply to post by Gorman91
 


you need to go to specsavers, im not kidding either how can you believe it's real?. im just guessing you don't process information in the same way.
Didactic reasoning becomes auto didactism through exposure and understanding of what it is your looking at over a lifetimes exposure to a very (pedagogic) controlled medium such as TV.
You owe it to yourself and your children to become incredibly discerning about what you are looking at, your lives may depend on it one day.

What were you doing all those hours you spent watching TV then?, believing every single sentence that came out of it and feeling every petite mort served up at an ad break?, you sure were not sharpening your reasoning skills.


see if you can spot the similarities in this thread CNN Above top secret and the current thread.
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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reply to post by wcitizen
 


i couldn't tell if that says gold level contributor or gold level competitor.....lol



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by The X
reply to post by wcitizen
 


i couldn't tell if that says gold level contributor or gold level competitor.....lol


Uh?



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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reply to post by PsykoOps
 


seems others are also questioning what you are saying ......

you have provided no evidence ... only regurgitating old posts like a cow lol.....



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Well you haven't provided any evidence for the sunset argument. You haven't provided any evidence or explanation of how the whole video where that one frame was taken was filmed during sunset and then converted into nighttime. You haven't provided any other anomalies in the video to support your claim.
Try harder



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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reply to post by PsykoOps
 


you haven't managed a single condition of provided evidence as per standards which were demanded . You have been debunked ..



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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Excuse me there was something to debunk? I didn't realize that.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by Kitilani

Originally posted by wcitizen
Correction. There is evidence to support them, but you don't agree with the evidence, which is fair enough.


No there is not. If there were, it would have been presented by now. It has not been. Just because you think you have evidence does not actually mean you do.


With respect, I beg to differ.


To each his or her own I suppose. As long as you can respect the fact that I am giving my opinion based on the evidence provided here alone then I can assume the same for you and we should just shake hands and be done not agreeing then.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by PsykoOps
Well you haven't provided any evidence for the sunset argument. You haven't provided any evidence or explanation of how the whole video where that one frame was taken was filmed during sunset and then converted into nighttime. You haven't provided any other anomalies in the video to support your claim.
Try harder


You're cluttering the thread with pointless squabbles with others. C'mon, enough is enough.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Kitilani

Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by Kitilani

Originally posted by wcitizen
Correction. There is evidence to support them, but you don't agree with the evidence, which is fair enough.


No there is not. If there were, it would have been presented by now. It has not been. Just because you think you have evidence does not actually mean you do.


With respect, I beg to differ.


To each his or her own I suppose. As long as you can respect the fact that I am giving my opinion based on the evidence provided here alone then I can assume the same for you and we should just shake hands and be done not agreeing then.


Fine. We are both giving our opinion based on the evidence on the thread, and we agree to differ. Peace.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by patternfinder
the post is saying .12 cents per liter or roughly .48 per gallon, but the liter is bigger than the quart so their gas is actually cheaper than that......wow, sounds like they had a horrible life paying that much per gallon huh?



Originally posted by wcitizen
So, show me where it says that in US gas is sold by the quart.


Holy crap you guys need to get over it. You cannot make the case for the original HOAX claim so you argue about petty crap like this for pages.

Right here


Originally posted by wcitizen
Gas in Libya is sold at the outrageous price of .12 cents per liter (bigger than US quart).



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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Libya: Scud missiles at Brega - Really?



More fake news, this time from Fox.

Even at the beginning of the video, Brega is shown in the wrong place on the map. It is actually hundreds of miles further east.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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reply to post by wcitizen
 


Ah I see, so now you are going to use other clips of other things from other people to make the case that CNN lied here? That makes sense.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Kitilani
reply to post by wcitizen
 


Ah I see, so now you are going to use other clips of other things from other people to make the case that CNN lied here? That makes sense.


Do you have anything to say about the content of the video? If not, you're posting a lot of off topic posts.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by patternfinder
 


I guess if the real measure of quality of life is hte price of petrol then they msut have been one of hte happiest bunches in the world.

A known disinfo technique is twisting and then misrepresenting what has been said in order to try to discredit it.

I haven't see one person say that the price of oil alone is the real measure of quality of life. Not one.


And neither did I - nice own goal - the juxtaposition of the 2 sentences is wonderful!!




.

But it's not really like that, is ist, and it's a bit specious to suggest that it is!



Agreed, your false premise is indeed specious.


Perhaps you should have a look at the post I was replying to - then you can apologise for getting this wrong too.....






The wiki article on minimum incomes gives the following for pre-revolt Libya:



Here's a different perspective:

Full article: www.globalresearch.ca...



High standard of living achieved

snippage



All very true - but since it is accomplished by Govt run institutions, programmes and the like, it is exactly the sort of thing that is ripe setup for political cronyism and patronage - if you are an opponent of het Govt then it is easy for you to be denied services - so everyone learns not to be an opponent of the Govt.

And it is irrelevant to the retail price of gas, which has to be paid for from the income received - and if the income you receive is 1/12th of that somewher eelse, and the price of gas is 1/4, then teh price of gas is actually relatively high.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by Kitilani
reply to post by wcitizen
 


Ah I see, so now you are going to use other clips of other things from other people to make the case that CNN lied here? That makes sense.


Do you have anything to say about the content of the video? If not, you're posting a lot of off topic posts.


Yes and I said it. The video is off topic. The video does nothing to back up the OP. I swear I just said this. Pointing out your new video has nothing to do with with the OP is off topic but the video is relevant because...?



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by wcitizen
Libya: Scud missiles at Brega - Really?



Awesome example of misused images and blatant manipulation !

Here, the same footage (unsourced) in context in a CBC news clip :
www.2424actu.fr...

"... the Lybian government flag being thrown from a central tower..." says the anchor.

Here, a Euronews TV footage showing the same guy planting the rebels flag in substitution :
www.2424actu.fr...

This rather unsignificant event in the grand scheme of things was still reported in several networks for some reason... And still one of the footage was misused by a large TV network. Clearly not an honest mistake to me.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 04:47 AM
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Originally posted by Kitilani

Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by Kitilani
reply to post by wcitizen
 


Ah I see, so now you are going to use other clips of other things from other people to make the case that CNN lied here? That makes sense.


Do you have anything to say about the content of the video? If not, you're posting a lot of off topic posts.


Yes and I said it. The video is off topic. The video does nothing to back up the OP. I swear I just said this. Pointing out your new video has nothing to do with with the OP is off topic but the video is relevant because...?


The OP is about fakery in the news about LIbya. That video is about fakery in the news about Libya. It is completely on topic.

I'd appreciate it if you too would stay on topic. Thanks.


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