Busted!! fake news on libya- movie sets, fake videos and pics, death threats to journalists

reply to post by Drew99GT


Hmmm, if you watch the Al Jazeera video, you can kind of make out the decorations and the "M" decoration in the stone above the middle arch.

I dunno. Was this whole thread a hoax? I dunno. But I wouldn't put ANYTHING past what the western superpowers/NATO to do in order to further their agenda of world domination

Originally posted by Drew99GT
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but in the original post and original supposed photo show on Al Jazeera, and even in the video clip from Al Jeezera, the middle arch does not have the square indention into the stone or whatever the walls are made of. In photos of the supposedly real green square, there is a square indention in the stone. Can anyone explain that? I'm on the fence with this one. Especially the OP claim that Libyan intelligence got word of this faked celebration filmed in Quatar and reported it on Libyan State TV. Anyone got ANY credible/sourced evidence of that???

Other confirmed sources - it was aired on Libyan TV a couple of days before it happened. I've also read that Lizze Phelam, one of the independent journalists now missing, said she had reliable sources who confirmed it was fake.

The news reports from many independent journalists also stated at that time that Tripoli had not been taken by the rebels when the MSM was saying it had. This was happening around the same time the MSM was reporting everywhere that Qhadaffi's son had been arrested, then he called their bluff and went to the Rixos hotel where the journalists were and gave a press conference. This is confirmed even by our MSM. That too kind of fits with the picture of them trying to give the impression they had taken Tripoli, when they obviously hadn't.

I also saw a video - I think it was UK Channel 4 - where the reporter said the rebels were advancing towards Tripoli. Then he said something which I find a bit strange - that the rebels would take Green Square and the people would come out and celebrate. I hesitate to write this because I've watched dozens of videos now and it would take me forever to find the link to that one. But it did kind of give me the impression that this had been scripted beforehand.

Re the alleged fake Al Jazeera film set - in other photos of the real Green Square, posted on this thread somewhere, there are, for example, street lamps which are missing in the AJ scenes compared to the real photo. The walls of the real one are brick - and I don't see bricks in the walls in the AJ pics. I've been trying to find a recent photo of Green Square from 2010, say, to make a better comparison, but so far I haven't been successful in finding one with a date. I'm about to give up looking! I had been wanting to find one before posting any more about it.

Also, look at the photos of the fist crushing the US airplane. They are clearly not the same. One is unmistakably false. The wrist is much slimmer, the dimensions are not at all the same, the angles aren't the same, the tail of the airplane is different. They are posted in the thread somewhere. Forgive me for not trawling through to find them right now, I don't have the time at the mo.

Originally posted by Drew99GT
reply to post by Drew99GT

 

Hmmm, if you watch the Al Jazeera video, you can kind of make out the decorations and the "M" decoration in the stone above the middle arch.

I dunno. Was this whole thread a hoax? I dunno. But I wouldn't put ANYTHING past what the western superpowers/NATO to do in order to further their agenda of world domination

Sorry to trouble you, but there've been so many links on this thread. Can you provide the link to the video in question? Would appreciate it!

As to one of the reasons why NATO is toppling Libya, even if their oil reserves aren't that much (they are however, very pure crude that doesn't need as much refining), it's another feather in the hat for the NWO, and this:

en.wikipedia.org...

I suspect that's another reason why Egypt was toppled.

reply to post by gwynned


It's on page 9

reply to post by wcitizen

Why don't you discuss the content of the articles and videos I'm posting and show how it isn't true?

I am busy deconstructing what I see as disinformation in your OP.

You yourself are using known disinfo techniques on this thread. A classic one is to try to use one part of an article or statement, try to discredit that one point and then use that as a weapon to discredit the whole. Another is to keep posting slurs with little or no substance.

So posting readily available facts about sources is a disinformation technique? My point here is to try and prove that your so called independent and unbiased sources are neither of those things, they have hidden agendas which may not be obvious at first. Do I think the MSM are always fair and unbiased? No I don't.

And you still haven't proven your point about the one photo in the OP which you have selected to focus on and discredit.

I offered an explanation early in the thread but you chose to ignore it.

reply to post by wcitizen

One of the propaganda strategies which is used again and again byTPTB is the one you are using here.
Stick a label on someone which carries a suitable negative emotional charge to discredit them and you don't need to address what they are actually saying.

Are you denying the fact that Gearóid Ó Colmáin is a supporter of Belarus president Lukashenko?

Just like you are doing, TPTB use emotionally charged words to demonise people or groups without addressing the complexities of a situation. 'Terrorist' is one such word, 'dictator' is another. Meanwhile, up until just a few short months ago our same governments were happily selling billions of dollars of arms to this dictator.

Gaddafi has always been portrayed as a dictator by the MSM, and rightfully so because that's what he is. Have they ever called him a 'filthy whore'? To my knowledge they never have, this is however how your source Colmáin refers to Amnesty International.

reply to post by wcitizen

However, you've said absolutely nothing about the main point of the article, which refers to a verifiable quote from Newsweek from August 3rd, 1981:which confirms that they were wanting to invade Libya 30 years ago and that the tactics described for doing so are those being used in Libya right now.

I haven't been able to find the article in question, can you provide a link so I can read it and judge for myself?

Now, why don't you either stop trolling or address the real point of the article

Whenever you stick your neck out in threads like this one you get labelled a troll. I am simply disagreeing with you, I don't have a hidden agenda. Can't you see that?

reply to post by wcitizen


Independent media that report from their cozy little studios on the other side of the world? Or the ones that get their news from their 'alternative/revolutionary sister networks' from South America and other places?? There are SO MANY interests going around in the world lately that these days is very hard to see it all in black and white. In fact, it's impossible! To say that all sides (take your pick) don't have their own interests in mind is not only naive, it's bloody dangerous!

There is a struggle of forces in this world, the emergent countries fighting against the old, powerful ones for their place in the dominance game. Simple! Libya is important to these newcomers because Gaddafi was an ally, to countries like Brasil, Venezuela, Argentina, Rusia, China, etc., countries that have been 'battling' for the last decade or so to form the new 'hegemony of power', shifting world dominance from the west to the east (and Latin America having a big place too, of course) You mention Canada, for example. I ask you to revise who were the countries 'in bed' with Gaddafi, after the aperture he did with the national oil! Who benefited from those oil concessions, and who will lose after he's gone and such contracts are revised!! Ask yourself why now, after YEARS of fruitful business, 'they' (the elites, the west, whatever) allow for a Revolution in Lybia?? So they suddenly grew a conscience??? Right...

No, my love, I think the truth is that the world is changing, and they know it. People are changing. People who have known nothing but poverty want to aspire to something more, at the individual level. At the collective level, countries, international context, there is nothing but the never-ending shifting of power, the tug of the coin, with new countries wanting to partake on the wealth and older countries wanting to keep holding on to it! But something is for certain, thanks to the advent of technologies, their games and manipulations are not as easy as 100, 50, 20 years ago. And that's what we see happening now. Gaddafi kept saying he was in total power, that there was no such thing as a rebel victory... Right! Even the Arabian League, his friends, his pals, his fellow nabobs, they turned their backs of him! Was that because of the 'Media Manipulation' and the fake news???

No, and I'll tell you why. There is a well known saying in my country and this is how it goes: When you see your neighbor's beard is in flame, put yours to soak just in case!

reply to post by cripmeister


Excellent! That's exactly my point! If you heard what my 'beloved' president has been saying for the last few days about his pal Gaddafi, you might think the man is still soaking in his golden tub, smoking his castro-autographed habano and sipping a fine glass of shipwrecked 1907 Heidsieck! And of course, the whole news from Tripoli were shot in Hollywood.

*sigh*

Originally posted by tide88

I am not saying there isn't propaganda in the news, there is. However to think that they would be this elaborate hoax where they are building movie sets, bad ones according to you, and broadcasting these reports across the globe is a little ridiculous.

One thing is sure, Ghaddafi is going down ... this we know.

However, I would put anything in the media, into the "trust it as far as I can throw it" box. The news themselves aren't believable. They are all in the "look, it's Hitler risen from the dead, and he's gonna eat all the kids in the world" kind of rhetoric, that is believable by the gullable public. Who wants to have a "higher purpose" for his miserable existance. But not in a logical sense, especially when the people who are doing the "saving of the universe" are known to have gone on a rampage and murdered women and children. And then downgrade it, by calling it "collateral damage".

The real comedy in all of this, is. That if Ghaddaffi, Saddam, Usama are all children in reality. Sure they want this and that, and have some ideology. But all they are ever interrested in, is living in their little village on top of their little oil field and imagine themselves big. They're kids, playing in the big league. If it was George Bush, who was in Ghaddafi's place ... Mr. G W wouldn't hesitate one second, in using all his nuclear arsenal in wiping out the world around him. These Arabas, are like children .. who are going into a nuke fight, with an imaginary light saber ... thinking they are Jedi Knights, and that the world is a Fantasy land, where the few Jedi, will win against the Evil empire ...

The evil empire tells us whatever they want to ... it's their world we live in. And when they're done with the killing, they'll make a movie out of it, and make a lot of money from people paying tickets to see it all on DVD ... all labelled with the news "man killed live on TV", followed by news of "breaking the record at the ticket office". People are rushing to the New Empire Colloseum, to see the Gladiators.

You think anything they tell you or me, is the truth? the holy truth? and nothing but the truth?

Originally posted by jerryznv

Originally posted by theshepherd2
How many times is this going to have to happen before people stop acting surprised that NATO made-up reasons to invade a country? So far it's been clearly documented twice, in not even 10 years.

How many time are we going to let it happen should be the question. We are the ones allowing it to happen...the simple fact is...nobody cares...and those that do lack the power or resources to do anything about it!

A fallen world and a spineless country...I think we almost have come to expect this rather than find it shocking!

I almost think that ignoring it has become a way of life in America...pretend it didn't happen and it will all go away.

edit on 25-8-2011 by jerryznv because: ...

Here have a little more FLUORIDE, everything will look better. Maybe a hit of pot and a little meth and a welfare check keep you mullified.

adding fuel to the Fire ! talking about Corupt corporation media planning Staging


a Still from the movie Capricorn One
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ahh is this from the moon landing ?




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Maybe we did go to the moon and maybe some of it was shot here on earth for CLASSIFIED REASONS !!!
like Hey Someone Been Has been Here Already ?


FAKE APOLLO 8 ORBIT

I’ve done some more investigation into the images from the Al-Jazeera news clip, compared to photos I've found of the real Green Square. Here is what I have found.

On top of the things which have already been mentioned – the lighting, the barely visible design above the arch, the dimensions, the fact that the street beyond the arch looks painted, etc, I have come across some other differences.



Al-Jazeera news clip:



Picture of the real Medina Gate in Green Square:
Bab Al-Hurriyah
Source: www.temehu.com...

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If you stop the video at 1.28 you will get a view similar to that in the photo.

Enlarge both and you will see clearly that in the photo of the real Gate of Medina there is a column adjacent to the right hand side of the arch.

In the Al-Jazeerah video there is no column.


See also the pavement In this photo from google earth, dated 2011. You can see the ground is paved with dark grey tiles which form diagonal lines across the whole squar. Sorry I wasn’t able to embed this picture but here’s the link.

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Also, on this website there are several images of Green Square.
www.tripadvisor.com...

I couldn't work out how to embed these either, but if you go to the link, the relevant photos are 18-25. In most of these the pavement is clearly seen, the grey tiles are visible, with the lines in between the paving stones, and you can see them reflecting the light.

Compare this to the ground in the video when the camera pans around the square. It looks like dust sheets or something on the ground – it’s beige in colour, there are no tiles visible, no lines and no sheen reflecting the light.

Also, to me when the camera pans around, the square seems quite a bit smaller than in the photos of the real Green Square. Notice also in the real photos the number of palm trees and lights around the square. Trees are also visible on the image from google earth.

To me, the absence of the column to the right of the arch and the absence of the paving stones clinch it.

A couple more things. If you enlarge photo 19, you’ll see that even though the corner quite dark, the line of the column to the right of the arch is still visible. There’s also a street light in the street just on the other side of the Gate. I can understand that the shops would be closed if the city has just been taken over, so wouldn’t expect there to be lights on in them, but if the street lights are on in the square, I don’t see why they wouldn’t also be on just on the other side of the Gate. But more than that, there is no street lamp visible at all in the street just beyond the Gate, lit or unlit.

Originally posted by cripmeister
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Are you denying the fact that Gearóid Ó Colmáin is a supporter of Belarus president Lukashenko?

What is your pont? Are you insinuating that everything he says must therefore be a lie?

Gaddafi has always been portrayed as a dictator by the MSM, and rightfully so because that's what he is.

What's your point? How does this disprove the fakery and lies about him and about the war in Libya by the MSM?

Have they ever called him a 'filthy whore'?

Not that I'm aware of, but they have accused him of bombing his own people, using rape as a weapon of war and pumping his soldiers with viagra - none of which have been proven and, in fact, based on statements made by experts, it looks as though thiese accusations might well be a pack of lies.

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To my knowledge they never have, this is however how your source Colmáin refers to Amnesty International.

So what? Really, what is your point?

reply to post by wcitizen

However, you've said absolutely nothing about the main point of the article, which refers to a verifiable quote from Newsweek from August 3rd, 1981:which confirms that they were wanting to invade Libya 30 years ago and that the tactics described for doing so are those being used in Libya right now.

I haven't been able to find the article in question, can you provide a link so I can read it and judge for myself?

You read the article yourself, and attempted to discredit the main point by saying it was a poor article, but didn't comment on the main point at all.

I did not find the original Newsweek article, but I did find confirmation that it appears to be accurate and does come from a Newsweek article from 3 August, 1981. I will post it at the bottom of this post.

Whenever you stick your neck out in threads like this one you get labelled a troll. I am simply disagreeing with you, I don't have a hidden agenda. Can't you see that?

Lol! I see an agenda as big as the end of my house.
You remind me very much of another poster - same way of expressing yourself, same kind questions, same kind of energy signature, same attitude....strangely similar.




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"'The details of the plan were sketchy, but it seemed to be a classic C.I.A. destabilization campaign. One element was a “disinformation” program designed to embarrass Kaddafi and his government. Another was the creation of a “counter government” to challenge his claim to national leadership. A third — potentially the most risky — was an escalating paramilitary campaign, probably by disaffected Libyan nationals, to blow up bridges, conduct small-scale guerrilla operations and demonstrate that Kaddafi was opposed by an indigenous political force.'"

“A Plan to Overthrow Kaddafi,” Newsweek, August 3, 1981, p. 19

From the same site:

Posted by Public Reason on August 10, 2011, 1:54 pm, in reply to "Re: Newsweek, 1981: A plan to overthrow Gaddafi"

The UK have been trying to murder Gadaffi for quite some time. Shayler and Machon left MI5 because of it. The press were given D-Notices and could not write about the assassination attempts. As Paul Daley writing in The Age attests, "the British media have been gagged from reporting sensational courtroom evidence of former MI5 spy David Shayler, including his alleged proof that the British secret service paid $270,000 for Al Qaeda terrorists to assassinate Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi in 1986. In its efforts to contain Mr Shayler's allegations to the privacy of the court, the government has even stopped the media from reporting its successful attempt to win a gag order" (10 October 2002). Yet these allegations were very much 'true'. In December 1995, MI6 issued the following report title: REPORT NO: 95/53452 'LIBYA: PLANS TO OVERTHROW QADAHFI IN EARLY 1996 ARE WELL ADVANCED.' Several other reports show a coordinated attempt on the part of the British establishment to remove Gadaffi - time and again he is referred to as a 'persona non grata' in MI6 briefings. It seems they have been craving his oil for quite some time.

reply to post by wcitizen


Check this out.. CIAs plan for Gaddafi as reported by Newsweek, Aug 3, 1981..
‘The details of the plan were sketchy, but it seemed to be a classic CIA destabilization campaign.

1..“disinformation” program designed to embarrass Kaddafi and his government.

2.. "creation of a “counter government” to challenge his claim to national leadership"

3.." an escalating paramilitary campaign, probably by disaffected Libyan nationals, to blow up bridges, conduct small-scale guerrilla operations and demonstrate that Kaddafi was opposed by an indigenous political force.’"

Any American who can't see that going on right now.. is either ignorant of world chess politics, or a 1930s German blinded by patriotism and or adoration for their respective party fuhrer.

www.davidicke.com...

Electricity, heath care and education.. all free.. gas .14, Libyans who owned a home paid zero property tax, all loans were 0% interest by law.. does this look like a man hated by his people?.. bushbama wouldn't dare ride around in the open like this..


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Originally posted by Char-Lee

Originally posted by jerryznv

Originally posted by theshepherd2
How many times is this going to have to happen before people stop acting surprised that NATO made-up reasons to invade a country? So far it's been clearly documented twice, in not even 10 years.

How many time are we going to let it happen should be the question. We are the ones allowing it to happen...the simple fact is...nobody cares...and those that do lack the power or resources to do anything about it!

A fallen world and a spineless country...I think we almost have come to expect this rather than find it shocking!

I almost think that ignoring it has become a way of life in America...pretend it didn't happen and it will all go away.

edit on 25-8-2011 by jerryznv because: ...

Here have a little more FLUORIDE, everything will look better. Maybe a hit of pot and a little meth and a welfare check keep you mullified.

You forgot to mention the meds, lol!

Also see the para in bold in the post above yours - I think we posted at the same time so you may not have seen it.

Originally posted by GovtFlu
reply to post by wcitizen

 

Check this out.. CIAs plan for Gaddafi as reported by Newsweek, Aug 3, 1981..
‘The details of the plan were sketchy, but it seemed to be a classic CIA destabilization campaign.

1..“disinformation” program designed to embarrass Kaddafi and his government.

2.. "creation of a “counter government” to challenge his claim to national leadership"

3.." an escalating paramilitary campaign, probably by disaffected Libyan nationals, to blow up bridges, conduct small-scale guerrilla operations and demonstrate that Kaddafi was opposed by an indigenous political force.’"

Any American who can't see that going on right now.. is either ignorant of world chess politics, or a 1930s German blinded by patriotism and or adoration for their respective party fuhrer.

www.davidicke.com...

Electricity, heath care and education.. all free.. gas .14, Libyans who owned a home paid zero property tax, all loans were 0% interest by law.. does this look like a man hated by his people?.. bushbama wouldn't dare ride around in the open like this..

And YES, isn't this exactly what they are now doing.....exactly what they planned.
The more you dig, the more you find the evidence of the sheer evil they have been inflicting on the planet for decades.

reply to post by wcitizen



No it's not what is going on right now (or has been for teh last several months) at all:

1..“disinformation” program designed to embarrass Kaddafi and his government.

Qadaffi was being "reahbilitated" - there was no "disinfo" to embarass him at all - not since he "gave up" his WMD, paid millions for Lockerbie & handed over eht sacrificial goat.

2.. "creation of a “counter government” to challenge his claim to national leadership"

Well this is always goign to happen whenever someone loses power - one way or another someone else takes over - not exactly earth shattering evidence of anything....

3.." an escalating paramilitary campaign, probably by disaffected Libyan nationals, to blow up bridges, conduct small-scale guerrilla operations and demonstrate that Kaddafi was opposed by an indigenous political force.’"

Seems someone fdidn't get that memo & ratcheted it up a long way from "small scale guerilla operations"??

You might not have noticed - but there's been a full scale civil war going on in Libya, with major "conventional" operations by both sides.

So 2/3 are carp, and the other one is a non-sequiter - glad to have denied ignorance again

Well, since you are here to support the stories of the MSM, AG, I'm not surprised to hear you say that.
As ever, you're entitled to your beliefs. As ever, you insult others who have different ones. As ever, I won't be replying to any more of your posts.