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Busted!! fake news on libya- movie sets, fake videos and pics, death threats to journalists

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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by SirClem
reply to post by cripmeister
 

Why are the claims "outrageous"?
Do you know how the government works? In practice I mean, not theory. Not NPR news. Or CNN, or basically any television news reports on how government works.
How the money flows and why we invade countries. Do you have a clue Crip?
Why are the claims outrageous?


Sorry, bad choice of words SirClem. The word bold better reflects how I view the claims in the OP. I am especially interested in the claim that Al Jazeera faked the celebrations in Green Square. My aim here is to help deconstruct what I see as disinformation attempts, so far a lot seems to point to Russia.




posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 09:10 PM
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You keep piling on articles and youtube videos but none of it is going to prove the claims in your OP. What's your point?



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by wcitizen
 


All I know is that we didn't land troops on the ground. We let them do it. So I really don't care who planned it. They planned it right.



Which War? Any War? America IS involved with EVERY war,whether it be advice,counseling ammunition,support,or downright unconstitutional proxy wars.Freemen or boogie man ,take your pick.War is waged for profit.All wars are. And by your definition,you dont care,and youre in agreement with it.As long as it doesnt affect your little world. You did say you dont care,and they planned it right.right?


Sad,........


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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 09:28 PM
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reply to post by wcitizen
 

Outstanding information and vitally needed in today's Stalinesque propagandistic reporting from our
centrally owned and operated media.

Keep up the great work!!1



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 09:35 PM
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Yes I did. But last I noted, we're broke. So it certainly isn't profitable.

And before you say "profitable for the rich", realize that such situations, historically at least, almost always lead to a power hungry general more or less slaughtering the rich and taking it, and then almost communisticly giving it back. That's what Caesar did, that what many did. So if you think that the fact it makes them profitable is the goal, you fail to see that within one or two generations, it will result in their undoing.



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 09:36 PM
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This is interesting. Gearóid Ó Colmáin author of the blog Metro Gael which is linked in the OP has written articles for Belarus website FPS Research Center. Here's one he wrote in defense of Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko.

Western intelligence agencies don't know what Belarus is

I found this article on another website where he again speaks out in defense of Alexander Lukashenko.

Wikileaks and Media Disinformation


Belarus has one of the lowest crime rates in Europe. The President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko has been continuously re-elected since 1994, due to his progressive social policies and no one denies his obvious popularity.


Oh oh, found another one where he defends the elections in Belarus and Lukashenkos victory.

Economic and Social Change in Belarus. Lukashenko's Election Victory


On the 19th of December Alexander Lukashenko secured a fourth term as president of Belarus with an overwhelming majority of the votes. Decried as ‘Europe’s last dictator’ by the international corporate media, the last 16 years of Lukashenko’s presidency have seen rising salaries, full employment and rising living standards. Lukashenko’s popularity in Belarus is beyond question.


He's supposedly an ex Irish footballer living in Paris. I wonder if his income is in Euro or Ruble?


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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 10:58 PM
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Gearóid Ó Colmáin seems to have a soft spot for dictators. He likens Gaddafi to Homers Odysseus and writes


Like Odysseus, part of Gaddafi’s country is currently being occupied by violent and treacherous parasites in the service of NATO. Like Odysseus, Gaddafi has managed to escape capture and death from the most gigantic and formidable forces on the planet.


and


Gaddafi has continued to survive. Whether one likes the guide of the Libyan Green Revolution or not, it is clear that the Libyan people love their leader and that he is a man of unquestionable ability. Source


He isn't however a fan of Amnesty International, he calls them The Filthy Public Relations Whores Of Fascism.

Under the guise of being truth seekers people like Colmáin are actually defenders of totalitarian oppression. This is the ugly face that hides behind much of what we see posted here on ATS



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by bjarneorn

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Sort of, yes.



That is what I suspected.

I suspect you are an American, and you think you are a defender of Democracy. There is nothing further from the truth. This view you hold, is the same view Adolf Hitler had, the same view Stalin had and every dictator, that ever walked on this planet. And what every dictator, and empire, including the United States share, is the fact they all think that peace and stability is obtained by killing the enemy.

Interesting
So, the best way to be peaceful was to not go help out europe during WW2. Perhaps hitler would have simply meditated and decided conquest was not a good thing...
mhmm..gotcha.

And yes, I am a United States citizen, whom has lived in the UK for about 5 years, and travelled much of the world. My passport looks like it english countryside patchworks with all the stamps on it. I assume you probably haven't been around much. Your main source of enlightenment is reading propaganda that is not mainstream and holding that as a shining example of how to be awake, not realizing your just substituting one dream for another.

The point still sticks You asked me if I thought it was the commie's trying to push their propaganda. I said yes, sort of...not offically, but there -are- elements in russia and the eastern bloc that long for the days of the socialism. How do I know this? well, beyond a bajillion resources I could point out...I WAS THERE!!! when your sitting talking to some folks about the new democracy and how some are not very happy about it in a dusty bar in prague, you know what...thats not american propaganda...thats people whom live there talking about what they desire and live like.

So take your anti-american crap and stick it bub. Your childlike mentality with warped perceptions about a black and white world is dreadfully lacking.



And all these dictators and all these empires, belong to history and the people that lived there are all but bones, with even their language a mere memory.

You should try and share this thought for a while, if you can ... try and stretch your mind, and think out of the box.

My mind is international...your mind can be easily summed up by the latest propaganda piece.
I am not awake, but I am less asleep than many. Can you honestly say the same? Beware the man whom says they know it all, chances are, they know nothing but the lie that passes for truth.
The reality is, there is no truth, all things are permitted.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 12:54 AM
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All The World is a Stage !!


Some Quotes from the One of the Most Notorious Propagandize Ruler


All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach. Adolf Hitler



If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed. Adolf Hitler



Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. Adolf Hitler



By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise. Adolf Hitler



What good fortune for governments that the people do not think. Adolf Hitler



Great liars are also great magicians. Adolf Hitler


Adolf Hitler Quotes
www.brainyquote.com...

Here in AMERICA
One Example ! !

Busted:Fox News CPAC Ron Paul Video Deception


FOX Forced To Apologize On Air Over Ron Paul CPAC Video Deception !


Honest my Mistake !! ?

Wrong SNAFU at Fox News
edit on 28-8-2011 by Wolfenz because: Add some Words



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 01:32 AM
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you made the claim that the lighting around the minar visible from entrance is artifical , while i pointed out the it was sunset , again I am waiting for neutral analysis and conclusive evidence from you sir.You only provided wartime propaganda sources like Al jazeera

So when are you bringing the proof for the 'artificial lighting'.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 03:28 AM
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I guess some reporters get the old

"what goes around comes around" routine.

this could be payback at its' .....BEST !!
!!

I hope the video on the link is NOT faked !
!



MYFOXNY.COM - A local news reporter from Washington, D.C. ended up getting covered in what is probably the remnants of raw sewage as he delivered live hurricane reports from Ocean City, Md.

WTTG-TV reporter Tucker Barnes was providing live updates for stations around the country as a wall of what he described as sea foam poured over him.

Barnes was on the boardwalk as Hurricane Irene hit the coast of Maryland

He noted that he had immersed himself in organic material. That "organic material" was most likely the effects of raw sewage pouring into the water during the storm.

"It doesn't taste great," he said.



Reporter Gives Update Covered In Sea Foam



edit on Aug-28-2011 by xuenchen because: added video !




posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 04:15 AM
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Or'ly? Let's see. First time you make a claim that the lighting is fake is on page 10 here and here. That is your original claim of fake lighting. You repeat the claim at page 11. On page 12 you again make the same claim. Again on page 12 and here too. Here on page 13 you post this picture you use as evidence of fake lights.

All that. After all that my first response to your claim about lighting. You are lying when you say you didn't make the claim first. So burden of proof. You make the claim and it falls directly on to you.

About that picture. Care to point out where you see a tower in there btw? I don't see a single one in it.

I already proved there is nothing wrong with the lighting but since you didn't even see the videos I'll embed them here for your ease:





So stop the freaking lying and admid you were wrong.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 04:36 AM
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They look like a bunch of paid actors to me. or... the faked scenes have

done enough damage that the people think it really happened and now are

looking for revenge. The Media still sucks and everyone knows it.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 04:47 AM
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And someone else sucks too... Now who was it again that
controls the Media?


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posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 05:01 AM
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Originally posted by cripmeister
reply to post by wcitizen
 


You keep piling on articles and youtube videos but none of it is going to prove the claims in your OP. What's your point?


Why don't you discuss the content of the articles and videos I'm posting and show how it isn't true?

You yourself are using known disinfo techniques on this thread. A classic one is to try to use one part of an article or statement, try to discredit that one point and then use that as a weapon to discredit the whole. Another is to keep posting slurs with little or no substance.

Your post above is an example.

And you still haven't proven your point about the one photo in the OP which you have selected to focus on and discredit.


.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by cripmeister
This is interesting. Gearóid Ó Colmáin author of the blog Metro Gael which is linked in the OP has written articles for Belarus website FPS Research Center. Here's one he wrote in defense of Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko.

Western intelligence agencies don't know what Belarus is

I found this article on another website where he again speaks out in defense of Alexander Lukashenko.

Wikileaks and Media Disinformation


Belarus has one of the lowest crime rates in Europe. The President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko has been continuously re-elected since 1994, due to his progressive social policies and no one denies his obvious popularity.


Oh oh, found another one where he defends the elections in Belarus and Lukashenkos victory.

Economic and Social Change in Belarus. Lukashenko's Election Victory


On the 19th of December Alexander Lukashenko secured a fourth term as president of Belarus with an overwhelming majority of the votes. Decried as ‘Europe’s last dictator’ by the international corporate media, the last 16 years of Lukashenko’s presidency have seen rising salaries, full employment and rising living standards. Lukashenko’s popularity in Belarus is beyond question.


He's supposedly an ex Irish footballer living in Paris. I wonder if his income is in Euro or Ruble?


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More of the same disinfo tactics. You're not arguing any of the points he makes, just trying to cast slurs on the author because he holds a different point of view from yours.



This post is also WAY of topic,



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 05:53 AM
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Hi, yeah, there's a lot of fake videos from Libya, as there has been from Afghanistan during the recent years, as well as from Iraq. They have learned a big lesson decades ago during the Vietnam war which has been the first medialized war - it has helped to create the huge anti-war movements and so on. Then they have learned even more just during the wars that have started since 2001.

When I was doing my military service (1999-2000) we've had lessons of many kinds, including theoretical lessons on regular weapons (guns, sub- and mashine guns) and I do clearly remember the officer telling us (later I saw it myself while shooting on targets) that while shooting with regular ammo (sharp - real, don't know how to say in English) from regular firearms, you can see a flash coming out and some smoke. However while shooting with blank ammo (hopefully it's correct, I mean ammo without bullets, used just for training purposes), you see a long flame coming out of the barrel.

Now check this photo included in a news-article from www.novinky.cz (the article is in Czech, however the most important thing is the photo...) from "Libya" of a rebel shooting blank ammo:

Blank ammo
Just have look at it.

Here I'm attaching another link - it's a random link I have found for blank ammo pistol and it also describes the flame, loud sound of the shot and the smell of lots of smoke:

Bruni Police - Pistol

Just check it out and watch the news. Whenever you see rebels (or anyone else) with flames coming out of their barrels, you know they're firing blank ammo...

Take care.

Regards,
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edit on 8/28/2011 by Kellaris because: fixed link



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 05:58 AM
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Originally posted by cripmeister
Gearóid Ó Colmáin seems to have a soft spot for dictators. He likens Gaddafi to Homers Odysseus and writes


Like Odysseus, part of Gaddafi’s country is currently being occupied by violent and treacherous parasites in the service of NATO. Like Odysseus, Gaddafi has managed to escape capture and death from the most gigantic and formidable forces on the planet.


and


Gaddafi has continued to survive. Whether one likes the guide of the Libyan Green Revolution or not, it is clear that the Libyan people love their leader and that he is a man of unquestionable ability. Source


He isn't however a fan of Amnesty International, he calls them The Filthy Public Relations Whores Of Fascism.

Under the guise of being truth seekers people like Colmáin are actually defenders of totalitarian oppression. This is the ugly face that hides behind much of what we see posted here on ATS


One of the propaganda strategies which is used again and again byTPTB is the one you are using here.
Stick a label on someone which carries a suitable negative emotional charge to discredit them and you don't need to address what they are actually saying.




Gaddafi has continued to survive. Whether one likes the guide of the Libyan Green Revolution or not, it is clear that the Libyan people love their leader and that he is a man of unquestionable ability.


Please explain why you disagree with what he actually says.




Under the guise of being truth seekers people like Colmáin are actually defenders of totalitarian oppression.



This is an excellent example of that technique in action. The previous quote has been (imo misinterpreted) and somehow used to support a conclusion which bears no resemblance to what he has said.

With regard to his comments about Amnesty, I know a number of people believe Amnesty is controlled. However, the statement made by Amnesty which clearly states that they didn't find evidence of the rapes referred to in the MSM, and which is confirmed by the Human Rights statement hardly supports the story put out by the MSM.

Just like you are doing, TPTB use emotionally charged words to demonise people or groups without addressing the complexities of a situation. 'Terrorist' is one such word, 'dictator' is another. Meanwhile, up until just a few short months ago our same governments were happily selling billions of dollars of arms to this dictator.

This thread is about disinfo in the western msm, in this instance regarding Libya. There is NOTHING in my OP which supports dictators of any kind, that's why I also oppose the policies of our Western governments too....they are 'hidden' dictatorships, imo.

BUT, that is another topic for a different thread. Why don't you start one? In the meantime, I'd really appreciate it if you would refrain from straying too far off topic on this one. Thank you.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 05:58 AM
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Originally posted by cripmeister
Gearóid Ó Colmáin seems to have a soft spot for dictators. He likens Gaddafi to Homers Odysseus and writes


Like Odysseus, part of Gaddafi’s country is currently being occupied by violent and treacherous parasites in the service of NATO. Like Odysseus, Gaddafi has managed to escape capture and death from the most gigantic and formidable forces on the planet.


and


Gaddafi has continued to survive. Whether one likes the guide of the Libyan Green Revolution or not, it is clear that the Libyan people love their leader and that he is a man of unquestionable ability. Source


He isn't however a fan of Amnesty International, he calls them The Filthy Public Relations Whores Of Fascism.

Under the guise of being truth seekers people like Colmáin are actually defenders of totalitarian oppression. This is the ugly face that hides behind much of what we see posted here on ATS


One of the propaganda strategies which is used again and again byTPTB is the one you are using here.
Stick a label on someone which carries a suitable negative emotional charge to discredit them and you don't need to address what they are actually saying.




Gaddafi has continued to survive. Whether one likes the guide of the Libyan Green Revolution or not, it is clear that the Libyan people love their leader and that he is a man of unquestionable ability.


Please explain why you disagree with what he actually says.




Under the guise of being truth seekers people like Colmáin are actually defenders of totalitarian oppression.



This is an excellent example of that technique in action. The previous quote has been (imo misinterpreted) and somehow used to support a conclusion which bears no resemblance to what he has said.

With regard to his comments about Amnesty, I know a number of people believe Amnesty is controlled. However, the statement made by Amnesty which clearly states that they didn't find evidence of the rapes referred to in the MSM, and which is confirmed by the Human Rights statement hardly supports the story put out by the MSM.

Just like you are doing, TPTB use emotionally charged words to demonise people or groups without addressing the complexities of a situation. 'Terrorist' is one such word, 'dictator' is another. Meanwhile, up until just a few short months ago our same governments were happily selling billions of dollars of arms to this dictator.

This thread is about disinfo in the western msm, in this instance regarding Libya. There is NOTHING in my OP which supports dictators of any kind, that's why I also oppose the policies of our Western governments too....they are 'hidden' dictatorships, imo.

BUT, that is another topic for a different thread. Why don't you start one? In the meantime, I'd really appreciate it if you would refrain from straying too far off topic on this one. Thank you.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 06:06 AM
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Originally posted by bjarneorn

That is what I suspected.

I suspect you are an American, and you think you are a defender of Democracy. There is nothing further from the truth. This view you hold, is the same view Adolf Hitler had, the same view Stalin had and every dictator, that ever walked on this planet. And what every dictator, and empire, including the United States share, is the fact they all think that peace and stability is obtained by killing the enemy.


Tell me, how was WW2 fought?

How was the Korean war fought?

How was the Gulf war fought?

How was Bosnian war fought?

How was the Kosovo war fought?

Answer that question.



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