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Busted!! fake news on libya- movie sets, fake videos and pics, death threats to journalists

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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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To be honest, I don't see clandestine organizations as wrong. I would have no problem if America had a "revolutionary guard", above the law, assigned to the elimination of all political elements that stray too far from the constitution. I would turn a blind eye to such an organization, as they would slaughter such bad power hungry men and women as Perry and Bush.

I'm all for the rule of law. But I am not against going above the law to end those who themselves go above the law for personal gain.
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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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So explain as I requested. Media is a tool of war is not an explanation. Do you honestly believe the arcs have different dimensions regardless of the images being stretched? Are you denying that they are stretched? What about the palm tree? What about the missing decoration?


I am confident enough in the capabilities of the media to lie. I would not be surprised if it was blue screen and CGI, but there are many others debating the details so you can look to them for clarification of the issues and draw your own conclusions. As for your questions:

- There does appear to be some valid questions of scale, colour and background between the tv report and the site.
- One of the images is stretched, there could be many reasons for this. Just trying to find a photo of the trees seams most likely.
- Trees die, get cut down and moved from time to time. Maybe it is still there or not, not sure.
- There was a good argument presented that this was due to a lack of resolution, but not conclusive for all the decorations.

I am not informed enough about the current state of the site to make a conclusive yes or no to being staged and there has been too much activity on this thread for me to keep up with it all. They are all good questions though to help sift out the facts from the fiction. Conclusive proof can be found by sending down a similar quality camera to film the area at night. There have been many other cases of media misinformation presented on this thread as well.



I said you don't fake wars. If you need it explained you don't fake entire wars and large scale assaults such as this.


I am not aware of anyone seriously claiming there is no conflict in Libya. This thread is about how this conflict is being portrayed in the media and the implications of this. As for large scale assaults being faked, just look at 9/11.

Well done mods in finding a more appropriate forum for this thread so those interested in the details can debate them, and there has been a lot of that.



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by ARealandTrueAmerican


hyperbole.


FACT.





Care to dehumanize even more?

They don't meet the death squads on the streets where they're actually chopping up people or laying them down on the street and running trucks over their heads. The CIA people in San Salvador meet the police chiefs, and the people who run the death squads, and they do liaise with them, they meet them beside the swimming pool of the villas. And it's a sophisticated, civilized kind of relationship. And they talk about their children, who are going to school at UCLA or Harvard and other schools, and they don't talk about the horrors of what's being done. They pretend like it isn't true.

CIA 6 Million Dead


Care to help bury the bodys,in the the price of freedom?



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 01:44 PM
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Just like I said. Body counts don't matter in war. Who they were does. People die in war. It blows.
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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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So you justify these wars?These unconstitutional wars? Proxy Wars? Relentless Killings,and Murders? Let everyone know Gorman. Yes or No? Simple one word response would suffice.



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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I thank God that green screen and CGI are still able to be sen when they are fake. If you've been working with CGI as long as I have, you an still spot out those little things.

There's a saying someone told me once. Something along the lines of "Imperfection makes reality real". CGI is perfection, so it can never be truly real. You will always spot out the little mistakes of hyper-reality that makes it clearly CGI.



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 01:49 PM
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That's too black and white to say yes or no.

Yes to secret wars to eliminate future Hitlers. No to secret wars that are purely for military power or economics. Whoever dies in the first, I care not. Who ever dies in the second, depends on who died for me to care.
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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by sonnny1
 


That's too black and white to say yes or no.

Yes to secret wars to eliminate future Hitlers. No to secret wars that are purely for military power or economics. Whoever dies in the first, I care not. Who ever dies in the second, depends on who died for me to care.
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But is is Black and white Gorman.....



Death or life
Liberty or Death
Freedom or Slave




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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Sort of, yes.



That is what I suspected.

I suspect you are an American, and you think you are a defender of Democracy. There is nothing further from the truth. This view you hold, is the same view Adolf Hitler had, the same view Stalin had and every dictator, that ever walked on this planet. And what every dictator, and empire, including the United States share, is the fact they all think that peace and stability is obtained by killing the enemy.

And all these dictators and all these empires, belong to history and the people that lived there are all but bones, with even their language a mere memory.

You should try and share this thought for a while, if you can ... try and stretch your mind, and think out of the box.



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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No, it's not all the time. Sometimes it is, sometimes it's not.

I am free on the internet. I am not free in real life. That is a gray.

I can be free and have liberty, but not be alive. Maybe I'm a first generation immigrant in the year 1890. I've no means to be alive,working day in and day out, but I am still free.

Or perhaps I sold my rights to work for a man who promised me land after I am done? I am free, yet I am technically an indentured servant. A slave.

Although not as popular today, these things do still exist in some form or another, as we saw from the recent Hersey scandal.
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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Well actually a great number of them succeeded for hundreds of years until their people got lazy and they went broke because they became a welfare state.

Things made by men all go to dust. But truth be told, the longest lasting governments have always been some form of a republic with a strong executive branch.

You can never create the perfect government, and all governments will inevitably go to dust. But the ones that provide the longest consistent freedom and stability are what I just said. As to peace? I said a bit back, peace just allows psychopaths to gather power and wealth. Peace is not something I like other than between small communities of honest people.

Also democracy is a lie.
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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91

Actually no. I'm not talking about wanting another Iraq. I'm talking about wanting to undo the last 40 years of US policy in the region and let them be as they were then, free to carry out their government.

I simply refuse to leave anything worse than the way I found it.


Seriously Gorman9, think about it.

Do you think that any other Dictator on this planet, had any other notion than precisely what you said? Do I have to quote as ancient a words, as Julius Caesar?

What made Ancient Greece so enormous in the past? The fact, that you had man different set of government, and thoughts, that were all rivaling each other. What made Rome, such a frightening and hated thing ... if I may be so humorous as quoting Monty Python, despite the fact that they built roads, bridges and schools? They dictated their world view on everyone else.

What made the cold war, so prosperous? The fact, that we had an enemy, and that we were stale mate ... Gorman9, for prosperety, both intellectual and economical, you need to have both sides of the equation. Bumping the enemy of, and creating a one sided equation ... makes you being able to decide, whatever that equation is to provide ... it's an unbalanced equation. A ticket for later disaster.

We win, but we'll lose in the end.

Added afterwards, to save posts

Yes, Gorman9. Chose to be honest, you are a man of fear. That is why the path of war is chosen, like Julius Caesar.

You forget something, that evil must have a place somewhere. What you accomplish by killing all the bad Ghaddafis, Saddams and Usama's. Is that all the people, that have nothing but violence, hatred and murder in their minds. Have no place of their own. The people, with a different mindset, than yours. They'll have no place to be, except to move to your street. They'll all be your next door neighbours ... Saddams former jailhous torture master, Ghaddafis old terrorism mastermind, Usamas old preacher. They'll all be living on your street, and you can meet at night at Dunkin Donuts, and eat Donuts and drink coffee together.

Welfare state? define welfare state. I'll define one for you ... it is a state, where people no longer are able to obtain a job, to provide for themselves. There are no jobs for those who didn't have money to go to school. There are no opportunities for the free enterprice inventor, as he doesn't have the dough to buy a licence. It's all their fault, of course, they are just lazy, aren't they. So, the rich, in an attempt to get a better return. Outsource their jobs, to China, and then import them instead of producing them. This will make people here, poor ... and in time, too poor to buy the imported products. The Chinese will get rich, wealthy, and your so called welfare state will have an economical collapse, because the lazy people, those who can't find themselves a job, within this community. This community that got rich, because people were free to invent ... but now, are arrested if they try to create their own things, because it might be a dangerous substance. They're just labelled crazy, and sick and given pills to eat. Making the drug industry, the most profitable industry. Which again, will be outsourced to China, to get more return profit for every penny. In the end, again, nobody earns money in your precious US of A, to buy their medicine. And the rich, and powerful, will move to China and dump you.

After all, labour is cheap in china, so why shouldn't they.

Is democracy a lie? No, but a Republic like the US or China, being a democracy is a lie. Democracy was found in ancient Hellas. The democracy there, wasn't that people could vote, it was that people could voice their ideas. It was that you had many different governments, kingdoms, that all were rivalling each other. Causing constant heads on, and different out of the box ideas.

Gorman9, Rome didn't succed in anything. The success was with Julius Caesar, and his successor Augustus. They built the empire, and what came after that, was just constant decline in various stages. And whatever other empire you decide, you have the same thing. You have one or two, that created the empire ... wether it is China, Egypt, Judea or any other. It is the same thing. They are all "Alexander the Great" in various degree, with constant decline after their death. Except for Hellas ... which still, to this day, is the greatest of all in any mans mind. And it isn't Alexander, or Julius Caesar, or Augustus, Cleopatra, Keops that we remember. It's the endless well of valueable ideas, that came from these conflicting states. About thousand years of it.

It's the "out of the box" ideas you need. They are the ones, that create wealth.
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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Well I actually like the idea of what you were talking about. You act as if Rome trying to input its rules over everyone was a bad idea, but once they died, and the barbarians had a few centuries to contemplate what they did, all of the sudden all the people who hated Rome for its laws, went and erected new laws based exactly on that thing they hated. It's amazing how the Germans, once sworn enemies of Rome, a thousand years after literally declared themselves Roman, basing their rules, military, philosophy, and politics off of Rome.

I've no doubt America will die one day. And I've no doubt that in a thousand year's time, the middle east, Africa, America, and probably most of the world will be basing all their laws and ideas off just what America was.

There are only two ways such things happen. Through destruction, or through influence. Which ever be our future, we win in the long run. Maybe we win, than lose, but in a thousand years we win.



If all those former evil people set up home where I live? Ok then. Why is that bad? Then I influence them to be like me.



Democracy is a lie. People can voice their opinions, but if the majority says off with his head, then nobody is going to stop it. Rule of law under a republic is better. Someone is there to stop that if he has the right to speak.

What you define as a welfare state is not what I want. What I want, to be quite frank, is a unionization of the military industrial complex, and a global world union of those armies and industries. Literary, a national socialistic government. But rather than some poor Jews or some poor poles being the scapegoat, make the government its own scapegoat. Go ahead, breed paranoia, hatred, and all the evils of man into this government. It will be so caught up fighting itself, that men and women bellow it's shield will be free to go and do as they please. Make a government its own enemy, and you free the people for as long as that government exists. THAT's what the founding fathers were talking about. And THAT is what I favor above all else. And you know what? That's exactly what Rome was around the Diocletian era. And it was quite successful.



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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This is nothing new,they have been doing this as long as television has been around.I'm sure they(our government) would do anything,including making fake videos,to sell the war to the public.Especially to the public that is still sleeping,they have the msm at their disposal,and have used it as a propaganda tool for elections,marketing... ect...it's all about swaying public opinion.Believe half of what you see and nothing you hear,when it comes to television.



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Wow the ignorance of people on this site is just unrea

I find it hard to believe they call us sheeple....when it is obvious who the true sheeple are....


You all claim to know a little more than the general public....when all you get on here is hearsay and gossip...it is the National Enquirer, with a little bit of the Weekly World News, of the paranormal.

A few members are well informed and I have no ill will towards you...it is threads like this which are based on opinion and not fact that get my blood boiling.....God do they assume everything is a conspiracy...a lot of you need to get out more.
Not including this video,but do you actually believe everything you see and hear on the television?as well as the newspapers?



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91

Well I actually like the idea of what you were talking about. You act as if Rome trying to input its rules over everyone was a bad idea, but once they died, and the barbarians had a few centuries to contemplate what they did, all of the sudden all the people who hated Rome for its laws, went and erected new laws based exactly on that thing they hated. It's amazing how the Germans, once sworn enemies of Rome, a thousand years after literally declared themselves Roman, basing their rules, military, philosophy, and politics off of Rome.



Well, the word Kaiser, that means emperror in german. Is actually the correct pronounciation of Caeser. The english pronounciation is wrong.

They called it "our" Roman empire, they never declared themselves Roman. And it was the Kings and Queens of old Europe, that were the "remnants" of the Roman empire. As you do not seem to be properly educated here, I will help you a little. The Roman empire, was influenced by Israel and it's notion of "one God". In the end, this notion took over the Roman empire. And the Roman emperror, became what we now know as "The Pope". The Kings and Queens of Europe, effectively were the "romans".

This empire was later "ended" in the 18th century, and as you should know, it was Adolf Hitler who dreamt of "recreating" this Unholy Aliance of Romans and middle eastern religious monsters.

The Emblem of Hitler and the Roman Empire ... is the Eagle.




I've no doubt America will die one day. And I've no doubt that in a thousand year's time, the middle east, Africa, America, and probably most of the world will be basing all their laws and ideas off just what America was.



Don't fool yourself. There is nothing that the US has done, that is American and never was. Everything you have, is European.



Democracy is a lie. People can voice their opinions, but if the majority says off with his head, then nobody is going to stop it. Rule of law under a republic is better. Someone is there to stop that if he has the right to speak.


You don't know what a republic is ... a republic is China, and the Soviet Union. These are Republics. And the US is the same ... people are killed in the US all the time. For not being jewish or christian ... for being of the wrong color. For being black students ...

It is good to hear you say a Democracy is a lie ... I sincerely hope all of Europe hears your voice.




What you define as a welfare state is not what I want. What I want, to be quite frank,



And what I want, is for everyone in Europe to hear your voice. Not your ruse or your lies ... but the truth, that your ideology is the true Enemy of freedom and democracy. And the democratic half of the US, know this ideology for what it is.
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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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uh, no. I'm pretty sure I know quite the bit of Rome. It's kind of one of my areas I'd claim to be somewhat expert on.

Rome always had the idea of one god. The stoics had it, whom which may or may not have been somehow influenced by eastern traditions. It was not something from Israel. As some parts of the bible document, the Stoics of Rome, at least some of them, found it an interesting line of thought, but it wasn't until the Christians went on their conversion march that the stoics even paid attention to Hebrew tradition.

Furthermore, the idea of a cult of the king is not from Hebrew. It's a tradition that can probably be linked to several sources, most prominently Egypt, in which nay popular or famous enough person was deified. Which in turn was somewhat transferred to Greece. This tradition in and of itself appears to find its origins possibly in India. The Indo-European pantheon seems to be entirely based off ancient kings and queens of long ago.

Rome never really collapsed. What happened was that, through centuries of influence, it managed to "civilize" most of the barbaric tribes. Towards the 4th century, Barbarians were simply client nations. Rome had become a sort of company of sorts. Some military industrial complexes focused on farming, others shipping, etc etc. In the later years of the Empire, the "CEO" of Rome, the king, or Kaiser as you said, ran out of money because they couldn't fund their military. The lower managers of local military industrial complexes grew angry, and took up their arms and quite literally repo men came to Rome and took their women and wealth for payment. Eventually the CEO was offed.

There was this one guy who was friendly with the huns whom, had he not been assassinated, could have taken over the business that was Rome in those days. Forgive me, I forget his name.

I am not fooling myself. I think America is nothing more than the rebirth of Rome.

Actually yes, you are correct. the USSR and China are to some degree republics. But they do not have the proper laws. A republic can be good or bad. It simply needs the right laws. The founding fathers set up the right laws for the republic to last. We simply have grow to ignore them, insisting on democracy, that which leads to dictatorship full on and death. No democracy ever lasted long.




And what I want, is for everyone in Europe to hear your voice. Not your ruse or your lies ... but the truth, that your ideology is the true Enemy of freedom and democracy. And the democratic half of the US, know this ideology for what it is.


I find it hilarious that you neglect to define your terms. To counter what I said of democracy.

Let them here my voice, for it is truth. Democracy is a lie. It is nothing more than dictatorship by majority. I say this, may democracy die in the west, and the east, and across all the world. May democracy be cursed by my grandchildren, and removed from existence. May it never exist again once it is dead and extinct, like the true enemy it is.
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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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In response to the various 'proof' presented in is thread:

The arches are different proportions because each of the images is taken from a separate angle, not to mention the fact that some of the images have been scaled outside their original proportions and are now too narrow, or too wide.

Everything is 'black' beyond the sky because it is frickin' night. Come on, you guys should be smart enough to understand this.

The pattern on the arch is not visible because the light is coming from a source low to the ground. The pattern is cut into the stone, so if the light is coming from the ground, the out cropped features won't cast a shadow and the pattern won't appear on camera. There is a photo on page 2 or 3 of this thread that illustrates it, where a photo was taken in the real square and the pattern has almost disappeared completely.

The palm tree is also not in some of the other 'real' photos, so it is silly to claim this proves it's fake, or it in turn has to discredit some of your 'proof'. The tree was likely cut down, burned down, rotted down, etc. the fact that it isn't there in other pictures says that you shouldn't expect it to be in the video.

It is very disturbing what a lot of people are willing to accept as proof. Many of the people here didn't even give this a second thought, because it strengthens whatever far-out theory they are working in this week.



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 05:50 PM
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CONFIRMED. Libya War is CIA op 30 Years in the Making.

www.blacklistednews.com...


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CONFIRMED: Libya War is CIA Op 30 Years in the Making
August 27, 2011
Print Version

Tony Cartalucci
BlacklistedNews.com

Alternative media activist David Icke, who has been warning about the false nature of the “Arab Spring” since it began over six months ago, has pointed out an astounding “flashback” regarding an August 3, 1981 Newsweek article titled, “A Plan to Overthrow Kaddafi.”

‘The details of the plan were sketchy, but it seemed to be a classic CIA destabilization campaign. One element was a “disinformation” program designed to embarrass Kaddafi and his government. Another was the creation of a “counter government” to challenge his claim to national leadership. A third — potentially the most risky — was an escalating paramilitary campaign, probably by disaffected Libyan nationals, to blow up bridges, conduct small-scale guerrilla operations and demonstrate that Kaddafi was opposed by an indigenous political force.”

….
Quite obviously this plan has been executed verbatim with the necessary addition of a NATO intervention to rescue the above stated “paramilitary” campaign from Libyan security forces – a contigency plan explicitly spelled out in another Wall Street-London subsidized, signed confession, Brookings Institution’s “Which Path to Persia?”

Using Military Force to Assist Popular Revolutions, page 109-110 (page 122-123 of the PDF): ”Consequently, if the United States ever succeeds in sparking a revolt against the clerical regime, Washington may have to consider whether to provide it with some form of military support to prevent Tehran from crushing it.” ”This requirement means that a popular revolution in Iran does not seem to fit the model of the “velvet revolutions” that occurred elsewhere. The point is that the Iranian regime may not be willing to go gently into that good night; instead, and unlike so many Eastern European regimes, it may choose to fight to the death. In those circumstances, if there is not external military assistance to the revolutionaries, they might not just fail but be massacred.



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posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by mars1
Another one for you.


Just watch the man in background.

Thanks


Found this in a video from RT: Maybe the same dude celebrating in a street of Tripoli kissing US Flag and shouting "Thank you Obama" (at 3 min 12 sec)



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