Childhood vaccines are largely safe, U.S. panel finds

reply to post by pteridine


Thats the MSM lies watered down version. Lets look at the facts.

"The quality of this epidemiological research has always been questionable," states Sallie Bernard, SafeMinds president. "Many biological studies support a link between mercury and autism, but these Danish studies have been used to suppress further research into thimerosal. With clear evidence of Dr. Thorsen's lack of ethics, it is imperative to reopen this investigation.

pr-usa.net

This study was thrown up in defense of the recent vaccine developed for the
"new" Swine Flu campaign they thrust at us a few years ago.

Thimerisol was used as a preservative in the swine flue jabs as well!
www.cdc.gov...

In 2002, after CDC awarded the grant, defendant THORSEN went to Denmark and became the principal investigator, responsible for administering the research money awarded by the CDC to Denmark. Defendant THORSEN also held a faculty position at Aarhus University, where scientists performed research under the grant. In those positions, he submitted invoices for payment to Aarhus University and Odense University Hospital for work and expenses related to the CDC grant....

....Based on the misrepresentations in these invoices! Aarhus University wire transferred hundreds of thousands of dollars to accounts held at the CDC Federal Credit Union in Atlanta! Georgia. Aarhus University believed that the accounts! which were identified in the fraudulent invoices! belonged to the CDC.
9.
In truth! the CDC Federal Credit Union accounts were personal accounts held by defendant THORSEN. He used the accounts to steal money under the CDC grant.
10.
After the money was transferred to defendant THORSEN!s accounts! he moved the money among multiple CDC Federal Credit Union accounts and eventually withdrew it for his own personal use. Defendant THORSEN purchased a home in Atlanta! a Harley Davidson motorcycle! and Audi and Honda vehicles with the proceeds of his fraud. He also obtained numerous cashier! s checks made out to himself from the fraudulent proceeds deposited at the CDC Federal Credit Union.
11.
Defendant THORSEN obtained over $1 million from his scheme to defraud.

mercury-freedrugs.org...

reply to post by burntheships


The medical research was not fradulent, the money movement was.

None of these studies would matter if thimerosal were to be eliminated from vaccines. If this were the case, then there would be no reason not to have children vaccinated. Childhood vaccines without thimerosal are more the rule than the exception and mercury free vaccines are available for all common childhood diseases. There is no reason thatparents should exclude their children from vaccinations in the interest of public health.

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot


This is a deadly serious issue and the attitude of some here regarding the necessity of complying with childhood vaccination requirements is ignorant, irresponsible and dangerous to the public health as a whole.

YOU ARE WRONG.
This is a conspiracy.
It is very simple to settle this issue.
Survey all children born in the last ten years.
Create three categories.
1.full set of vaccines
2.partial set of vaccines
3. UNVACCINATED
Examine each group to see what percentage got autism.
If the unvaccinated group has a lower autism rate than the others
than vaccines are most likely the cause of autism.
If the unvaccinated group has the same rate as the others then
vaccines are not the cause of autism.

Please tell me if this doesnt make sense.

Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by burntheships

 

The medical research was not fradulent, the money movement was.

How can you say that? The man was clearly a fraud, I would say all of his "research" was
fraudlently presented as well.

reply to post by RRokkyy


Save it for the next idiot that cant think for themselves and buys into your garbage.

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
reply to post by RRokkyy

 

Save it for the next idiot that cant think for themselves

Funny that you would say that, as that is exactly what these health officials would want from
the public...

Like we are supposed to trust officials that run propaganda campaigns
for the Big Pharma corporations!

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
reply to post by RRokkyy

 

Save it for the next idiot that cant think for themselves and buys into your garbage.

YOUR THE IDIOT.
Not one word of intelligence in your comment.
No explanation of why my methodology would be wrong.
Dumb A$$ Squawking Parrot

My parrot was smarter than you.....

Originally posted by pteridine
There is no reason thatparents should exclude their children from vaccinations in the interest of public health.

Really?

What if they were concerned that the vaccines themselves were designed to maim, or otherwise
cause harm to sterilize the children they were given to?

Like this?

Tetanus vaccine may be laced with anti-fertility drug. International / developing countries.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

I'm most certainly not going to act like I know everything about vaccines, because I don't. I just know what I've experienced. As a mother, I don't want to make the wrong choices. I want healthy and happy kids. My first child was fully vaccinated and on schedule. He got whooping cough at 6 months. At the time, I didn't do any research on what they were injecting my son with or why. I just did it because I assumed it was required by law. A lot of parents in the United States are under that impression. My son also was developmentally right on target until he got a series of shots, his development slowed dramatically. When we took him to the doctor to see what was going on, his doctor disappeared, the nurses and his staff could not even tell us what happened to this doctor. When we went to get his immunization records from there, they had not even recorded the shots he had received. He was forced to get them again before he was 4 so he could start preschool, because we were told missing vaccinations is not acceptable for the exemptions.

I had two other children, due to the suspicious complications my son had, the new pediatrician recommended we delay my other kid's shots. We decided to do so. My kids have all had the same amount of illnesses. If one gets them they all do. Until my son started homeschooling, it was usually him who caught it first from school and brought it home to us. Even though my son was fully vaccinated, it did not protect him from things like whooping cough, chicken pox, and rotavirus. When swine flu was just being brought to our attention(or even had a vaccine available), my son had already gotten it from his school teacher, and passed it to the entire household. We all got it, we all survived it. Of course, at the time there were not vaccines available yet for this type of flu.

Right now, my husband and I are debating which vaccines we should get and which ones we feel like our kids don't need. I find conflicting information all the time, it makes it difficult for me to decide which ones I can trust the most. I'm not a paranoid person, but after my son stopped speaking, and the doctors disappear without a trace, what is a person to do or even think about that. I live in a relatively small town, so this was HUGE that the doctor up and left. Unfortunately, I just thought it was some sort of error on the staffs part that his vaccinations were not recorded, it wasn't until recently that I thought the two incidents might be related.

I have to admit that I'm glad my early childhood parenting days are long gone - I really don't know what I'd do about vaccines these days.

Although not nearly as serious as autism, and other health concerns, I had a run in with the medical community over a vaccine my youngest son had in his first year (25 years ago). He had developed a small lump in the general area of a previous vaccine (on his thigh) - but it wasn't noticed at all until almost a month afterwards.

Every doctor, every specialist raised the "C" word - cancer, as a possibility, and said that it being in the vicinity of a previous vaccine was, wait for it - yes a coincidence. This made no sense to me, but I dutifully lived in a nightmare while my pediatrician mused that his slight asthma may be a sign of cancer spreading to the lungs, so he was given a chest x-ray. The dermatologist said he couldn't remove it as planned at our appointment because the lump moved into the muscle tissue, and a full anesthesia surgery was scheduled for a biopsy - all in the two weeks before Xmas. I was even told to cancel any holiday travel, because they wanted to jump on potential treatments immediately.

The result of the biopsy, received Xmas eve was a blessing - absolutely nothing to worry about. It practically took an act of congress for me to find out more details - it turned out to be injured fat cells which coalesced and were not reabsorbed by the body. And yet they still swore it "couldn't be" because of the vaccine needle. It was.

I believe we must use our own noggins when being reassured by the medical establishment - they so often cannot imagine that they don't know what they don't know. Just my opinion.

reply to post by seedofchucky


Ohh, nice fearmongering there bro

reply to post by Ayerish

How did mnakind make it hundreds of thousands of years without vaccines? ---Immune systems---

Yes, and look at how well we did:

Smallpox

Polio

These diseases are unheard of now. Thanks to vaccines (sanitation and increased nutrition played a vital role, but you cannot deny that vaccines dealt the killer blow)

reply to post by FreeSpeaker


You don't need to take the governments word for it, considering that the vast majority of research is carried out by independent research groups (in all of the developed countries except the US, although what do you expect from a country that charges people for healthcare )

In fact, if you take a look at these figures, you can see that in a lot of countries, government funding is in the minimum.

Funding of Science

reply to post by hawkiye


Every vaccine related thread that you have posted that nonsense in about "vaccines haven't been proven to work", other posters have proven you wrong.

People who poison thier children with vaccines should be arrested for child abuse....

Oh really, how droll.

If abusers think vaccines actually work why all the fear of thier children being around non-vaccinated children?

If you had bothered to read the whole thread before posting, you would have seen the reply I made to a previous poster who asked the same question

Originally posted by hawkiye
To bad there is no evidence vaccines work and plenty of evidence they cause harm.

Yep - that lack of small pox was nothign to do with vaccination.

The lack of millions of measles deaths nothing to do with vaccination.

All het autistic kids in hte univese are clearly the result of vacination.

Good science there...

Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by burntheships

 

The medical research was not fradulent, the money movement was.

How can you say that? The man was clearly a fraud, I would say all of his "research" was
fraudlently presented as well.

edit on 25-8-2011 by burntheships because: (no reason given)

If they were both frauds then no one knows what mercury will do. The solution is to eliminate mercury. If thimerosal were to be eliminated from vaccines, then there would be no reason not to have children vaccinated. Childhood vaccines without thimerosal are more the rule than the exception and mercury free vaccines are available for all common childhood diseases.

There is no reason that parents should exclude their children from vaccinations in the interest of public health.

reply to post by pteridine


Are you on autobot reply?

Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by pteridine
There is no reason thatparents should exclude their children from vaccinations in the interest of public health.

Really?

What if they were concerned that the vaccines themselves were designed to maim, or otherwise
cause harm to sterilize the children they were given to?

Like this?

Tetanus vaccine may be laced with anti-fertility drug. International / developing countries.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

edit on 25-8-2011 by burntheships because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by pteridine
There is no reason thatparents should exclude their children from vaccinations in the interest of public health.

Really?

What if they were concerned that the vaccines themselves were designed to maim, or otherwise
cause harm to sterilize the children they were given to?

Like this?

Tetanus vaccine may be laced with anti-fertility drug. International / developing countries.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The original reference was to something called Vaccine Weeklyin 1995 and was an accusation about preventing pregnancies in developing countries by providing hCG injections to females of reproductive age. Do you really think that hCG is in your children's vaccines or are you just trying to find another reason not to vaccinate?

Originally posted by pteridine

The original reference was to something called Vaccine Weeklyin 1995 and was an accusation about preventing pregnancies in developing countries by providing hCG injections to females of reproductive age. Do you really think that hCG is in your children's vaccines

Proof of your "reference"? Ummm....no.

The fact that this type of experimentation has been done on unsuspecting victims is far beyond
the "accusation" stage.

Research on the vaccines discussed in this article, anti- human Chorionic Gonadotropin (CG) vaccines, is carried out under the auspices of the World Health Organization (WHO) in Geneva, by the National Institute of Immunology (NII) in New Delhi, and by the Population Council in New York. Clinical trials with these vaccines to test the safety and the biological effects have been carried out since the early 1970s, on small groups of women in the United States, India, Brazil, Chile, Dominican Republic, Finland, and Sweden (3, 4, 5,6, 7). In 1986, a WHO-sponsored trial for safety was done in Australia, involving 30 women (8).A trial with 101 women was carried out in India in 1988 with the anti- hCG vaccine developed by the NII (9).

In 1991-1992 the first efficacy trial took place, and 148 women were vaccinated at the All India Institute of Medical Sciences and the Safdarjung hospital in New Delhi, and the Post Graduate Institute of Medical Education and Research in Chandigarh (10). A efficacy trial of the WHO anti- hCG vaccine started in Sweden in 1994, but was suspended a few months later because all the first seven participants experienced serious side effects. www.issuesinmedicalethics.org...

And as to the question, I would not put it past any goverment to experiment on its citizens.

Informed consent in India

A different picture of women’s options for action emerged from the performance of the informed consent procedures in the phase II trial in India. The German documentary- maker and women’s health advocate Ulrike Schaz filmed the recruitment of some women for this trial. The film showed a room in a public hospital in New Delhi where dozens of women were standing in line waiting to see a doctor. The doctor was sitting behind her desk and told a patient "We have got a new injection. The effect of the injection stops children for one year. You need not be afraid about this. The injection has no side effects. You see this injection is absolutely 100 per cent effective. We will also put in a copper- T. Continuous copper- T is not very good. If you have it three years, six years, then there is the risk of cancer. That is why we want you to change (15). "

The doctor’s statements diverged from the protocol. She said the anti-fertility vaccine was a new injection instead of an experimental method for which the duration and efficacy were yet to be established. And there is no evidence three or six years of copper- T use increases the risk of cancer. As a matter of fact the research protocol for this trial had been approved by the Drugs Controller of India, the institutional ethics committees, and the ethics review committee of the Canadian International Development and Research Center, one of the funders of clinical research at the NII

reply to post by burntheships


The proof of my "Ummm....no" reference is in your link in the upper left hand corner of the abstract. The abstract does not refer to childhood vaccinations but tetanus shots for females of reproductive age. We are talking about childhood vaccines; see OP.

Originally posted by hawkiye
People who poison thier children with vaccines should be arrested for child abuse....

Wow, that is horribly judgemental. Utter fail.

And here many on this site are all up in arms against the government forcing people to get vaccines, while you're basically calling for the same thing on the other side of the spectrum.

I have given my child some vaccinations, have been spreading them out over a long period of time, and not all at once. Flame me if you like, but I have put lots of thought into it, and have struggled very much. I find that the information out there is not conclusive enough for me to make definite decisions. I've read article after article, counter attack articles where does it leave me?

I'll tell you, it leaves me doing what I think is best for my child. And if that is not good enough and if something bad happens because I was doing the very best that I could given the information I had then it is on my head.

I received vaccines as a child and I turned out ok, at least I think I did. My parents had vaccinations as well. I'm wary of the MMR which I haven't given him and probably won't, and will not be giving him flue shots. But the ones such as Polio, yes I have had him get them.

If you want to see me jailed for child abuse because I've tried to give my child the best that I could, well I will go kicking and screaming. I love that child dearly and anyone who would try to separate me from him will have hell to pay. Mama bear on the loose.

If you don't want to vaccinate your child, that's fine with me. I won't even judge you or fear monger or worry about your child and mine coming in contact. It's ridiculous. You do your best, I do mine, and we'll let the chips fall where they may.

End rant.