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Obama 39%, Paul 38%

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posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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You do realize even if Ron Paul did win we might see another JFK all over again


Yes that is my great fear. I think it more likely we will see a CIA Heart Attack and not a shooting.

All I have to say is if he did win, if I were TPTB I would hope he stays very very healthy


I would not like to see the reaction of a VERY suspicious American population to his death. Ron Paul allegely has the most Donations from Active Duty Militar.




posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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Well if the Media controlled the agenda they would be supporting Ron Paul. Remember that they are in the business to make money and they do that buy selling stories that people want to hear about. The more radical a President is the more crazy stuff he will do making for more interesting stories which means more sales for the Media.

They would rather have Ron Paul than a boring Rick Perry.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 09:26 AM
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Ron Paul could win with write in votes.....in our past history....some men have won several primaries and (sometimes) even the Presidency.

In 1928 Herbert Hoover won the Republican MA presidential primary with write in votes.

In 1940 Franklin D. Roosevelt won in the New Jersey primary with write ins.

In 1960 John F. Kennedy won the democratic Pennsylvania with write in votes.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by kro32
Well you are only giving half the story here. You fail to mention that Perry is higher than Paul and they have Romney actually beating Obama. I wouldn't say this has as much to do with Paul as it does the general publics dissatisfaction with the President.


Paul -38%
Obama -39%

23% remaining in this poll so I can't see how 2 other candidates could have a higher score. Perhaps a different poll? This one seems pretty legit and from a legit firm.


Rasmussen Reports is an American public opinion polling firm. Founded by pollster Scott Rasmussen, Rasmussen Reports was identified as one of most accurate polling firms for the 2004 United States presidential election

newstrust.net/
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posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
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Well if the Media controlled the agenda they would be supporting Ron Paul. Remember that they are in the business to make money and they do that buy selling stories that people want to hear about. The more radical a President is the more crazy stuff he will do making for more interesting stories which means more sales for the Media.

They would rather have Ron Paul than a boring Rick Perry.


I disagree. I think the media is controlled by ideologues who are much more interested in shaping the future than they are making money. They already have all the money they need. Why do you need billions of dollars if you don't have anything to spend it on? Ambition. What do they really want? People buy the world's most powerful means of information dissemination for a reason. They want to control the information. Yes. Making money is part of it, I think (They do obviously need to keep the money flowing so they have funds for their projects). But a very small part.

Ideology. The realization of their dreams is worth more than all the money in the world to some people. I don't just assume a person is a capitalist simply because they are good at making money. It's a relatively obvious fact that some of the wealthiest and most successful people in the world hate capitalism.
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posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
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What you are basically saying is that people can only vote for who the media pushes on us? There is no way we can look at the candidates and research their platform and make an informed decision?


The media has a huge influence on whom people vote for. Anyone saying otherwise is either ill-informed or willfully blind to that fact.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
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Well if the Media controlled the agenda they would be supporting Ron Paul. Remember that they are in the business to make money and they do that buy selling stories that people want to hear about. The more radical a President is the more crazy stuff he will do making for more interesting stories which means more sales for the Media.

They would rather have Ron Paul than a boring Rick Perry.


I can't believe what I just read. Do you seriously believe the media would make more money by showing more of a candidate who goes against the status quo? A man who wants corporations to have less power? These are the same corporations that pay for advertisements on theses media outlets.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 01:22 PM
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Are you serious? You're not even trying anymore! First you say Romney and Perry are leading in the Rasmussen poll, which is obviously not the case. Math fail? Now you're saying that the media would be promoting Paul if they had an agenda? I know you haven't forgotten that the media is controlled.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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Go.. Go ... Go!



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
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Also your not giving people enough credit. What you are basically saying is that people can only vote for who the media pushes on us? There is no way we can look at the candidates and research their platform and make an informed decision?


bahhahaha... thanks for da laugh!
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posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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Best part about seeing some of these polls is knowing that there are more and more people at least trying to support a guy that seems outside of the huge corruption machine.

I love the IDEA of Ron Paul and while I agree with many of his views, can't say I'm in love with all of them and some I just don't like at all. I think a lot of people are like that. Even with those disagreements, the good far outweighs the bad overall.

I just feel it won't matter much in the end. Let's say he's elected. Without support from either side, he won't be able to get much done will he? unless he uses the same tactics he says are illegal now such as Executive orders etc.

I think many of us are realizing we're only looking at the remnants of the ILLUSION of freedom and democracy. The mechanics behind this are overwhelming when you really see it.

All I can say is that all these revolutions you see happening worked because those people finally stopped talking and trying to reason and acted. Violence works. The governments use it on the people every day, it's nice to see it working for the people once in while.

Ron Paul may or may not win anything, but he's letting the people of this country witness how a corrupt system operates and he may end up being the poster boy for something even more important.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by saabacura

Originally posted by hawkiye

Obama 39%, Paul 38%


www.rasmusse nreports.com

The president and the maverick are running almost dead even in a hypothetical 2012 election matchup.

Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul earns 38% of the vote to President Obama’s 39% in the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters. Fourteen percent (14%) like some other candidate, and eight percent (8%) remain undecided
(visit the link for the full news article)


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www.rasmussenreports.com


well then how come I don't here this on the news?????
Its always romney vs obama


thats a joke right?



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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I am actually suprised Obama is holding up under this kind of pressure.

Maybe thats why he needed another vacation, to get a grip.

You know, Ron Paul is the kind of man I would buy a used car from...

Obama on the other hand...


Obama lie #482,709 and counting…

Why just 2 years ago Obama addressed the nation (must see video below) to ‘assure’ us there was absolutely, positively nothing to worry about when purchasing a GM or Chrysler vehicle — specifically service and warranties.

Will the real Johnny Rotten please stand up?


GM Decides To Blow Off Vehicle Warranties

(Reuters) General Motors Co is seeking to dismiss a lawsuit over a suspension problem on more than 400,000 Chevrolet Impalas from the 2007 and 2008 model years, saying it should not be responsible for repairs because the flaw predated its bankruptcy.

The lawsuit, filed on June 29 by Donna Trusky of Blakely, Pennsylvania, contended that her Impala suffered from faulty rear spindle rods, causing her rear tires to wear out after just 6,000 miles. [ID:nN1E7650CT]

Seeking class-action status and alleging breach of warranty, the lawsuit demands that GM fix the rods, saying that it had done so on Impala police vehicles.

But in a recent filing with the U.S. District Court in Detroit, GM noted that the cars were made by its predecessor General Motors Corp, now called Motors Liquidation Co or “Old GM,” before its 2009 bankruptcy and federal bailout.

The current company, called “New GM,” said it did not assume responsibility under the reorganization to fix the Impala problem, but only to make repairs “subject to conditions and limitations” in express written warranties. In essence, the automaker said, Trusky sued the wrong entity.sadhillnews.com...





posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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hmm ron paul can take it



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 05:26 PM
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The topic you are all avoiding here is that Paul must first win the Primaries and he is still in single digits among Republican Primary voters.

Ignoring reality is lying to yourselves. It won't change the final outcome.

I may yet vote for Paul, but I chose to keep my eyes open and not to become a groupie. Look what that led to with Obama.

Not Ron Paul's fault however that he has fanatical supporters like Obama had, who think its a Football rivalry instead of an important responsibility. I won't hold it against him.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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And this is the point that I'm always trying to get to when it is regarding Ron Paul.

Everybody kicks and screams that Ron Paul won't win but it is of utmost importance that he gets the necessary support to win these actual primaries and caucuses.

Let it not be said that we did nothing
-Ron Paul



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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right now, obama would be in a dead heat with kim jong il

in a 2 choice options style poll, many people will just take the non-obama option



posted on Aug, 26 2011 @ 01:14 PM
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I know Obama hasn't done much but I honestly don't think McCain or anyone else would have done much better. Not his fault, 4 more years.



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