reply to post by DerekJR321
I'm not gonna go step by step through your reply because obviously you don't know the true creation of the Israeli state.
Of course I don't know what I'm talking about, or I'd be saying the same thing you are.
Lets just say it was way before WWI that Palestine was a district ruled by the Turks. IE: No Israel.
And let's just say that way before that, Israel was there as a sovereign nation before being absorbed into the Roman Empire.
AFTER WWI Britain took control of Palestine. Arabs lived there.
Jews "wanted" to live there. In the early 20th century they began (the jews) to flood into the area.
They were doing so legally, were they not? Palestine was under the authority of Britain, and displaced Israelis legally migrated to a region that had
many ties to their ancestry.
The UN "suggested" splitting the area into one area for Jews and another for Palestinians. The rest is history.
I thank you for the history lesson. Here's my question: how does it alter the point being made that the U.N. essentially established Israel as a
nation? Further - how does it place the blame on existing Israelis?
And if you truly believe that Israel doesn't receive a significant amount of support from the US then I don't know how to open your
Once again, we're on different levels. I'm a big-picture sort of person capable of working down to the minute details. You're missing the forest
for the bark, let alone the trees.
Lets ignore the $3 billion we give them annually.
Other Grants and Endowments: $457.7 Million. The July 2006 report included $456.7 million in U.S. grants and endowments to U.S.-Israeli scientific
and business cooperation organizations. The two largest are the BIRD (Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development) Foundation and the BARD
(Binational Agriculture and Research and Development) Fund. While these are mostly self-sustaining, the BARD Fund gets about $500,000 a year from the
Agriculture Department. Adding $0.5 million for each of FY ’07 and ”˜08 to the ’06 total gives a new total of $0.457.7 billion.
The military aid from the DOD budget is mostly for specific projects. The largest items have been the canceled Lavi attack fighter project, the
completed Merkava tank, the ongoing Arrow anti-missile missile project, and several other anti-missile systems, most recently the “David’s
Sling” short-range missile defense system. Haaretz reported in June that a senior U.S. defense official has said the U.S. will support and help
Israel’s development of the advanced Arrow 3 designed to intercept advanced ballistic missiles.
Israel has a technologically advanced market economy. It depends on imports of crude oil, grains, raw materials, and military equipment. Despite
limited natural resources, Israel has intensively developed its agricultural and industrial sectors over the past 20 years. Cut diamonds,
high-technology equipment, and agricultural products (fruits and vegetables) are the leading exports. Israel usually posts sizable trade deficits,
which are covered by large transfer payments from abroad and by foreign loans. Roughly half of the government's external debt is owed to the US, its
major source of economic and military aid.
GDP (official exchange rate):
$213.1 billion (2010 est.)
Revenues are about 28% of GDP - placing their mas sustainable budget at roughly 56 billion dollars placing annual U.S. aid equal to about 5% of their
Considering the DoD baseline spending for the U.S. is 582...86... billion dollars (something in that range, I forget the exact figure) while
undertaking three... now four (We more or less just declared war on Syria a few days ago when we told their president to GTFO... someone place a
muzzle on Obama, for the love of all things holy) wars.
Explain how 4 billion is somehow allowing Israel to walk around with a chip on their shoulder.
How about the 30+ F22 Raptors we just basically "gave" them?
What are you talking about? The F-22 is a dead airframe. Export is prohibited and no further airframes are to be purchased. The tooling has already
been destroyed per classified material handling procedures.
Or all of the other military hardware that they "get"?
They purchase it. The U.S. government doesn't own the F-16. That is the property of its respective company (now Lockheed-Martin, if I remember
correctly - it was General Dynamics... can't remember if Boeing bought them out or Lockheed...). For the most part - these companies can make
whatever kinds of weapon systems they want and sell it to a foreign country unless parts of the system are considered Classified by the U.S. - in
which case the distribution of classified systems is limited. This is why export models are generally considered "simplified" and "less capable"
than their main-line counterparts.
In theory, however, the government only gets to declare technology classified if it public funding went into its creation. But that's another mess
Isreal, however, is allowed to purchase surplus inventory from the U.S. For example - ammunition that is past its expiration (usually used for
training), various gear and support equipment, and some direct arsenal purchases - but most of Israel's combat inventory is in-house design and
And what about the 6 Day War? The USS Liberty? All of the false flags perpetrated by Israel in order to pull the wool over Americas eyes? The
theft of US nuclear secrets?
What of it? Anyone with any connections to the intelligence agency knows that Israel only lets you know what they want you to, and they are generally
going to benefit from any agreement made (whether you do or not). As for claims of false-flag operations - that term gets thrown around on ATS so
much that I ignore it. Everyone from covert operatives to high school students at a rave get blamed for being part of some commissioned false-flag
operation around here. I don't have time to indulge paranoid delusions.
You'll also have to elaborate on the "theft of nuclear secrets." Half the time, what they "stole" from us is what some hack in our ranks walked
up and handed them (possibly out of some religious belief - it's hard telling most of the time). They aren't dumb. "Sure, we can always use
And as far as "god" not being involved. Your suffering to a people who believe they are above us. At least the Talmud Jews, who believe any
non-Jew is only here to serve them. They believe god GAVE them that land. They are the chosen people. Anyone else is cattle.
I can't say I've ever encountered that rank and file of the Jewish body. However, I much prefer their method of dealing with people over Sharia
Besides - as I've said - I don't play favorites. Every obstacle gets subjected to analysis and an appropriate tool selected for its removal. That
goes all the way from "please, excuse me." to strategic nuclear warfare and genetically targeted viral weapons. Not that I have access to all of
that - but, from a big-picture perspective, I consider the whole tool box.
You have to move away from attempting to judge the value of life. It is not something that can be judged. The only thing that makes sense to judge
is what is the smallest possible tool that you have that can accomplish the goals you have? I don't need to shoot someone for not selling their TV
to me - there are other TVs for sale, elsewhere. That measure is completely unnecessary and runs a greater risk of unfavorable consequences than
buying one elsewhere.