Was Jesus the Anti-Christ?

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by MamaJ

 

It could be you. I've said a couple of times that the idea Jesus could be the "anti christ" is an interesting theory. I have no problem exploring various theories.

Yeah...you are definitely confused. All I can say is with all your studies, you shouldn't be but I am not walking in your shoes. My studies have lead me to believe in the Christ spirit!!!

reply to post by MamaJ


My walk in fundamentalist christianity was what was confusing, and I don't expect you to understand that. I was once blindly lead, like so many others, but thankfully, I got out, and I thank God for that. Until you are in a mindset to seek out for yourself, not listening to pulpit pastors, or priests or TV evangelists, and study original texts, you are stuck with your legalistic belief system.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by MamaJ

 

My walk in fundamentalist christianity was what was confusing, and I don't expect you to understand that. I was once blindly lead, like so many others, but thankfully, I got out, and I thank God for that. Until you are in a mindset to seek out for yourself, not listening to pulpit pastors, or priests or TV evangelists, and study original texts, you are stuck with your legalistic belief system.

Maybe you do not "expect" me to understand but I do....more than I think you realize.

Once you become a seeker for truth....it will lead you to the truth. There should be no mistake who Jesus was and is. He is the Christ....the spirit which speaks to yours.

Christianity for many in the West is a good seed to begin with. Once a person begins to know Jesus they become questionable. Who questions? I do...so do others. For this reason and many others is why I do not align myself with any Religion. It is not necessary.

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Truth is relevant to the believer, dear. You certainly have a right to your beliefs. I am not one to judge you on that. However, you do not have the right to judge me either, for God alone, is Judge.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Jesus spoke in parables because he didn't want his enemies to know his teachings, because he didn't want to convert, nor save them. So, looks to me like Jesus chooses who gets into the "kingdom", not anyone else.

edit on 28-8-2011 by aero56 because: typo

Really? I was taught that Jesus spoke in parables in order to provide a visual aid to people who couldn't understand what he was trying to get at without being able to see it, so he gave them a visualization. The Jesus i know came to save everyone that would accept him. See that's the thing with teaching, you never know who is wrong and who is right. I'll just keep believing in my Jesus. Your Jesus sounds like an asshole.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by MamaJ

 

Truth is relevant to the believer, dear. You certainly have a right to your beliefs. I am not one to judge you on that. However, you do not have the right to judge me either, for God alone, is Judge.

Judge? I am not a judge and have not once "judged" you. I only said I was confused by your words. That was an observation, dear. I walk only in my shoes of experience....I only judge myself and in doing so I find many short comings. This is enough work for me for a life time. I choose not to focus my energy on judging anyone for then I feel responsible to "fix" said short comings that may indeed NOT be shortcomings to the that individual. My belief is many life times....I have no idea who YOU are in a truer sense as I do not "know" myself in the more truer sense. It is however my belief I am a loving individual that strives to perfect in that "sense". Judging you or anyone for that matter would and does set me back ....I am moving forward.

Truth is relevant to the experience a believer has.....true. The Truth will set you free....also true! We agree!

My time is done here in the Anti-Christ thread. I hope to see you all around the forum.

Peace and love to you and yours!!! xoxox

Jenn

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

Interesting perspective. You believe those are symbolic? Do you also believe that heaven and hell are symbolic? I do.

Heaven and hell are laid out upon the earth my friend, few see the former because they are stuck in the latter. Symbolic? Everything is symbolic.

With Love,

Your Brother

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Is that all you have in your arsenal? Really?

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Jesus spoke in parables because he didn't want his enemies to know his teachings, because he didn't want to convert, nor save them. So, looks to me like Jesus chooses who gets into the "kingdom", not anyone else.

edit on 28-8-2011 by aero56 because: typo

Really? I was taught that Jesus spoke in parables in order to provide a visual aid to people who couldn't understand what he was trying to get at without being able to see it, so he gave them a visualization. The Jesus i know came to save everyone that would accept him. See that's the thing with teaching, you never know who is wrong and who is right. I'll just keep believing in my Jesus. Your Jesus sounds like an asshole.

Ouch, are you sure you wanna go down that path?

"Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but unto them that are without, all these things are done in Parables. That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven." ~ Mark 4:11-12

"I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes." ~ Matthew 11:25

And even more precise, after the Jewish authorities claimed Jesus got His miracle working power from beelzebub Jesus ONLY spoke in parables in public, He refused to teach clearly from that point forward in His Earthly ministry.

"All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:" ~ Matthew 13:34

"He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything." Mark 4:34

"This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them." John 10:6

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Jesus spoke in parables because he didn't want his enemies to know his teachings, because he didn't want to convert, nor save them. So, looks to me like Jesus chooses who gets into the "kingdom", not anyone else.

edit on 28-8-2011 by aero56 because: typo

Really? I was taught that Jesus spoke in parables in order to provide a visual aid to people who couldn't understand what he was trying to get at without being able to see it, so he gave them a visualization. The Jesus i know came to save everyone that would accept him. See that's the thing with teaching, you never know who is wrong and who is right. I'll just keep believing in my Jesus. Your Jesus sounds like an asshole.

Ouch, are you sure you wanna go down that path?

"Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but unto them that are without, all these things are done in Parables. That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven." ~ Mark 4:11-12

"I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes." ~ Matthew 11:25

that second one sounds more like he was trying to confound the wise with ignorant speeches and woo the unwise with the same speeches...we all know that all you have to do to woo the unwise is throw some parable around that they don't understand and they'll just take your word for it and call it profound since it is beyond their comprehension...meanwhile it doesn't pass the guffffawww test with a wise man.....

the way some of you are sounding, you are making it sound like God isn't all powerful, that he can't save everyone.....

Originally posted by patternfinder

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Jesus spoke in parables because he didn't want his enemies to know his teachings, because he didn't want to convert, nor save them. So, looks to me like Jesus chooses who gets into the "kingdom", not anyone else.

edit on 28-8-2011 by aero56 because: typo

Really? I was taught that Jesus spoke in parables in order to provide a visual aid to people who couldn't understand what he was trying to get at without being able to see it, so he gave them a visualization. The Jesus i know came to save everyone that would accept him. See that's the thing with teaching, you never know who is wrong and who is right. I'll just keep believing in my Jesus. Your Jesus sounds like an asshole.

Ouch, are you sure you wanna go down that path?

"Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but unto them that are without, all these things are done in Parables. That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven." ~ Mark 4:11-12

"I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes." ~ Matthew 11:25

that second one sounds more like he was trying to confound the wise with ignorant speeches and woo the unwise with the same speeches...we all know that all you have to do to woo the unwise is throw some parable around that they don't understand and they'll just take your word for it and call it profound since it is beyond their comprehension...meanwhile it doesn't pass the guffffawww test with a wise man.....

Absurd. The consistent theme in scripture is God resists the proud. Same applies here, in Christ's day there were proud Scribes and Pharisees who thought they knew everything and Christ mocked them severely. And Christ explained His own parables to His students who didn't understand what He was trying to convey.

Originally posted by patternfinder
the way some of you are sounding, you are making it sound like God isn't all powerful, that he can't save everyone.....

God will not veto a person's free will. That's not loving anyways. He'll draw all men to Himself, but He won't force anyone to trust Him. Many are called, few are chosen.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by patternfinder
the way some of you are sounding, you are making it sound like God isn't all powerful, that he can't save everyone.....

God will not veto a person's free will. That's not loving anyways. He'll draw all men to Himself, but He won't force anyone to trust Him. Many are called, few are chosen.

no one will find god unless god draws them to him...sounds like he's picking and choosing to me....this is a big crock.....

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by patternfinder
the way some of you are sounding, you are making it sound like God isn't all powerful, that he can't save everyone.....

God will not veto a person's free will. That's not loving anyways. He'll draw all men to Himself, but He won't force anyone to trust Him. Many are called, few are chosen.

and prove to me that there is such thing as free will

Originally posted by patternfinder

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by patternfinder
the way some of you are sounding, you are making it sound like God isn't all powerful, that he can't save everyone.....

God will not veto a person's free will. That's not loving anyways. He'll draw all men to Himself, but He won't force anyone to trust Him. Many are called, few are chosen.

no one will find god unless god draws them to him...sounds like he's picking and choosing to me....this is a big crock.....

Of course He is. Don't you get to decide who lives at your house? Kinda goes with the sovereign aspect of being God.

Originally posted by patternfinder

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by patternfinder
the way some of you are sounding, you are making it sound like God isn't all powerful, that he can't save everyone.....

God will not veto a person's free will. That's not loving anyways. He'll draw all men to Himself, but He won't force anyone to trust Him. Many are called, few are chosen.

and prove to me that there is such thing as free will

Sure. Send me $1,000. Let me know when you want me to PM you with my address for you to mail the check.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
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Is that all you have in your arsenal? Really?

What i want to know is, if you are saved and believe in Jesus why are you so combatative? Why are you so angry and seek to challenge peoples beliefs. We have a right to believe whatever we want, as do you. You can believe whatever you want, frankly i don't give a damn. What you believe has no bearing on my life or salvation. i don't care about your experiences in fundamental christianity, i have walked MY own path and i have MY own perspective and i have MY own beliefs.

I walked in darkness and despair, hate and anger, pain and suffering for 14 years. I was abused very, very badly as a child by my own father after my mother divorced him. I was beaten every day to a bloody pulp with the promise that if i ever told anyone he would kill me. This coming from a man who professed to be a christian, a pentecostal in fact, who sat on the front pew and raised his hands to the lord every sunday perfect as could be. At the age of 17 i had enough and went to the pastor of my church, and told him what was going on. He looked me right in the eye and told me i was lying and he rebuked me in Jesus' name. I ran away and went to arkansas to live with my mother. For 14 years i walked around in this hurt and pain, in anger and hate at what had been done to me. I lost my faith in God and Jesus, because as my father would beat me i would cry out to God to save me and my dad would say "God can't save you now!" while i was nearly beaten to death. I lost my faith in everything and i fought satan on my own on 14 years. I was drowning in despair and darkness. Then one day i was taking some kids to a school function at a nearby church that was a bowling alley and skating rink, and as i escorted the kids in i met one of the Deacons and shook his hand and he invited me to church that sunday. Cinergy is a missionary baptist church. Anyway i went to church that sunday, and as worship service began, i felt a spirit of forgiveness come over me and i was able to let all that hurt and anger and hate go. I learned how to forgive. looking back over the years i realized as i was being abused and cried out to Jesus to save me, he didn't smite my dad dead, instead he gave me the strength to survive, to go on. If it wasnt for Jesus Christ i would be in prison or dead right now.

Now i make it my life's mission, to bring the strength and love of the Lord to children who are being abused and in bad homes.

Thats MY experience and the shoes I walked in, and thats what I care about. I don't know what happened to you, but whatever lies you bought into is not the real Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the love, joy,awe,reverence and peace that brought my spirit and soul out of hell. Until you experience that, you know absolutely nothing at all. There is none greater than Jesus Christ, NONE, and that is what i BELIEVE.

Jesus Christ's preaching was far from "perfect". Especially for what we consider moral nowadays, Even Ghandi was a massive improvement on his alledged moral values.

All you have done is created an absurd oxy-moron (the title; LOL) and attracted a bunch of devout Christians, or Christ-lovers, like flies to the....