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Through the eyes of Atheism

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posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by fenceSitter

Originally posted by BrokenCircles

Originally posted by fenceSitter

Atheism is a personal belief.


False.

Correct term = Disbelief


Your just playing semantics. Trying too hard to prove your point? Whether you say 'I believe there are no deities' or 'I don't believe in deities' really doesn't matter.


I apologize for trying so hard.
Next time I will simplify it more, by only using 2 words, instead of 4.




posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Bleeeeep
Atheists do not lack a belief. They believe there is no god.

You must be thinking of agnostics.


Wrong.
Believing there is no god is different than disbelieving in gods.


Your notion didn't say anything in opposition to what I said, so...

How am I wrong?



posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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Immediately you have anthropomorhised it and brought it's grandeur down to a scale that, with what appears to be a limited spatiality in theists, you can deal with. It's only so grand because the bloke Jacob wrestled to the ground made it. I feel this is a rationale seperate from nature and a total lack of comprehension about nature.
In fact I would go as far as to say a seperation as mental health specialists would see it.



posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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...o'my gosh, randy...
...how many times are you going to beat this particular horse?... you've been told a thousand times (at least) that atheism is just a lack of belief in deities... anything else added to that is not atheism - its something else...



posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by tom.farnhill
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i am an atheist and your discription of an atheist is so far off the mark its frightening .
i believe in the spirit , the soul and reincarnation .
i don,t believe in an omnipresent all seeing all knowing god .
i believe in mother earth , the universe and all that comes with it .
if you are a true christian and you believe in your bible , then i will remind you of what jesus said ,
don,t look for me in houses of brick or of stone , pick up a rock or stone and you will see me , pick up a piece of wood and you will find me ( ok maybe not the exact wording but you get the drift ) he was talking a bout the planet earth and mother nature. i believe we , mankind together with the earth and the universe are god. what you call god is a collective energy of all these things , an intelligent energy .


Ok, even tho you claim atheism, you seem to cherry pick from pantheism, to describe your own man made religion. Are you saying the way you believe in God, is the same as atheism ? Because you don't actually believe in a personal deity ?

Wyn
Well I keep thinking one day, that horse is going to get up, so I don't have to walk anymore.

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There isn't anything in my post that hasn't come from what an atheist has written.
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posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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In a metaphysical and Buddhist perspective the belief in nothing essentially means belief in self. As 0 is nothing, infinite, and in Buddhism nothing is the true self.



posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Bleeeeep
Your notion didn't say anything in opposition to what I said, so...

How am I wrong?


There is a subtle but distinct difference in the two.
One makes a positive statement, the other makes none.



posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by randyvs
Drummer

It dosn't sound like your all that much an athiest right now either ?


Whatever gave you that impression??




posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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no ,i do find it difficult to explain or put into words and i am not cherry picking as one post stated,
maybe the russian vedic beliefs is closer to what i believe.



posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by Bleeeeep
I think science corrupts the minds of atheist because science often only gives one solution for a problem. It is like stating 2 + 2 = 4, while ignoring there is unlimited ways to get 4 as an answer. For this reason, I think atheism is idiotic.


Perhaps it's because you're conflating science with atheism.

Also, it appears that you may be misinterpreting the definition of agnosticism as well as atheism.



posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by randyvs
I just think it's important to know, what we're looking at, if atheism is correct ? If I look at the world through the eyes of atheism ? Doesn't man suddenly become far less, than what he has over millennia, come to believe himself to be ?


You mean, doesn't man benefit from not deluding himself that he's some kind of special being created by a supernatural entity? Doesn't man become more than just a pet, and accept both the full blame and the rewards of his actions?



posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by goldentorch
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Immediately you have anthropomorhised it and brought it's grandeur down to a scale that, with what appears to be a limited spatiality in theists, you can deal with. It's only so grand because the bloke Jacob wrestled to the ground made it. I feel this is a rationale seperate from nature and a total lack of comprehension about nature.
In fact I would go as far as to say a seperation as mental health specialists would see it.


So it's worst than I thought ? Do you think there's any hope for me at all ?



posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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Nah, I doubt it.
Keep taking the medicine




posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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theist - one who believes in a God

atheist/materialist - one who does not believe in a God/one who believes in physical causes as opposed to divine intervention

Agnostic - one who does not know

Philosopher - one who contemplates the depth of his agnosticism



posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by tom.farnhill
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no ,i do find it difficult to explain or put into words and i am not cherry picking as one post stated,
maybe the russian vedic beliefs is closer to what i believe.


Ok well not trying to corner you or ridicule in any way, but maybe you need to get it straight in your own mind firstr. If you are the only authority you need in what you believe . That's all good with me but you need to decide or hell maybe you don't .



posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by randyvs
Drummer

It dosn't sound like your all that much an athiest right now either ?


Whatever gave you that impression??



It was your first post I believe, atheists can still believe in spirits and the soul? You are really confusing me with this kind of stuff Drum. Sure seems like cherry picking at this point.
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Spark of Spark
Are you a buddhist ?
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Blue shift

Well "special " could mean like the kids that rode the short bus to school. Lets go with sentient.
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posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by randyvs
It was your first post I believe, atheists can still believe in spirits and the soul? You are really confusing me with this kind of stuff Drum. Sure seems like cherry picking at this point.


Well, you made some very specific claims about what atheists do and don't believe and such things needed to be addressed. Atheism comes in many flavors, including people like Buddhists and Raelians who although do not believe in a personal god do have many superstitious beliefs. Many other atheists are strongly biased against superstition.

I apologize if I'm being confusing. I'm genuinely trying to answer you as honestly as I can.



posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by Astyanax
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You cannot get something from absolutely nothing, that would violate the laws of physics.

May I ask which law of physics it violates?

The Law of Conservation of Energy which states that matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed.



posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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Atheism says, there is nothing spiritual about existence and that man does not have a soul.


Just a technicality here Randy but atheism is about not having a belief in god(s). While you're right that most atheists don't believe in the spirit or soul there are some who do. There is actually no reason why an atheist cannot believe in a soul and an afterlife, just that the skepticism that leads most atheists to be atheists also stands in defiance of other superstitious ideas.



So life is simply a space between two nothings.


That's certainly how we experience it isn't it? No memory of before you were born because you weren't alive yet, same thing after you die. You might say that life is a brief period of being awake in between two long periods of dreamless slumber (if you want to get poetic).




Atheism dosn't believe anything out of the ordinary ever does or ever has happened.


You're kidding right? Atheists are free to believe in all sorts of weird stuff and there is plenty of out-of-the-ordinary stuff even within the purview of legitimate science. Particles popping in an out of existence due to quantum vacuum fluctuations, a Universe vast and beautiful and incredibly ancient possibly populated by other lifeforms. Simply because atheism does not include a deity doesn't mean that nothing out of the ordinary is in an atheists paradigm. The formation of life on this planet, as far as we know, is a vastly unusual and rare occurrence and the emergence of self-aware organisms due to evolution is equally astounding. I may not want to insert the supernatural as an explanation but that doesn't mean I don't see the 'magic' of the world around me.




Why would he evolve with a belief in deitys ?


Superstition runs deep in us and there are different ideas about where and why it developed. Some speculate that it comes from attaching agency to things. A primitive man hears rustling in the bushes, now it might be the breeze, or it might be a jungle cat ready to pounce and eat him, to assume it's just a breeze could get him eaten and there's no harm in being cautious. It's possible this defense mechanism is responsible for folks seeing the wrath of a deity in a volcanic eruption.

Remember Randy that atheism regards one thing - belief in the existence of deities. Atheists don't have that belief, theists do. Anything else is ADDITIONAL and outside the purview of the atheist theist label.



posted on Aug, 24 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by randyvs
It was your first post I believe, atheists can still believe in spirits and the soul? You are really confusing me with this kind of stuff Drum. Sure seems like cherry picking at this point.


Well, you made some very specific claims about what atheists do and don't believe and such things needed to be addressed. Atheism comes in many flavors, including people like Buddhists and Raelians who although do not believe in a personal god do have many superstitious beliefs. Many other atheists are strongly biased against superstition.

I apologize if I'm being confusing. I'm genuinely trying to answer you as honestly as I can.



Drummer I wasn't questioning that at all.


Titen

I don't know, I've never died before, I've only been born so I can only say you are right, up to that point.
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