France's billionaires put US super rich to shame: "TAX US MORE"

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posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by Dbriefed
How is paying more taxes going to solve anything? High taxes are NOT going to create jobs. High taxes are NOT going to rescue the economy. High taxes are NOT going to get Obama re-elected. High taxes are NOT going to prevent riots. Low taxes will do all the above.

GOVERNMENT SPENT TOO MUCH OF YOUR MONEY!!!!



The sad part about that graph is that it was the money of the middle class going out, while the ultrarich kept theirs.
But, yeah, cutting spending at the same time is part of France's plan. It might help the US if they considered it.




posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 03:22 AM
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This is such a joke, and you are buying it, amazing.

From France, for you, a few facts.

So, first, a few weeks back, "La cour des comptes" which is an independant government auditing agency said that 2/3, two-thirds of the debt worsening is directly due to Sarkozy's policies since he got elected.

Yep, Sarkozy is responsible for two thirds of the mess France is in, from official sources.
What did he do ? He put a cap on what taxes the rich people would pay, He capped the rich's taxes.
He abolished the "taxe professionnelle" which was a tax paid by companies that went directly to the education system. That caused quite a fuss but is hardly mentionned today.

Even if Dominique-Strauss-Kahn is out of the picture for the next presidential election, at the moment, any, ANY figure of the opposition would win the elections with a nice margin.

Sarkozy is basically marginalised in his own country. It was unpopular decision after another. all in favor of the rich and powerfull. No wonder they kept making him gifts, holidays on private corporate yachts...

I won't even begin with how he and his peons protected a big pharma company that is responsible for a substancial amount of deaths. The molecule was banned, yet they modified it and put it back on the market with the same bad side effects, and again, and again. (three strikes and you're out!)
And now, that big pharma boss is one of those saying he's ok for paying more.
He should be rotting in jail !!!

Companies ? France's stock index is the CAC40, derived from the 40 biggest capitalisations on the stock market.
All of them, ALL practise tax evasion thru tax havens. And Total, our "BP" doesn't even pay taxes at all.

And yet, he taunts us saying that it's not his fault, that the 2008 crisis hit and without it, all would be fine.
The only problem is that he was against the 3% euro deficit rule, he wanted more spending, and went to a meeting of euro finance ministers asking them to collectively dump that rule, BEFORE the crisis hit.
After the crisis came, he was also one saying that we should end tax havens and notation agencies,
look where we are now .... it's all hypocrisy.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 04:21 AM
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Originally posted by Bluesma
Luckily, the rest of the population that understood why it had to be done won out.


That's good. French gov't. knows being a welfare state is unsustainable.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 04:23 AM
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France = dependent on Germany. Germany = dependent on selling cars to America and now China. Trillions of American dollars now flowed to China. So France = indirectly dependent on American consumption.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 04:24 AM
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What middle class money? it's all magik money out of thin air. It was all an illusion. It never really existed in the first place.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 08:38 AM
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The problems currently being faced in Europe are derived from the same cause as those here in the U.S. which is the fact that they too, bought into the "Trickle-Down" theory and lowered corporate taxes, just to see their countries face default as a result.

And you know what?
My county's Representative -- and this is a county that has been known as the "armpit" of our metro area in past times, and is widely looked down upon by the more "affluent" neighbors just 10 miles south of us, but is now, in fact, seeing some prosperity -- a freshman Republican, wrote me a letter that says "We need to LOWER CORPORATE TAXES, so the globalists will come home and give Americans jobs."
Ugghhh.
But that's another thread of mine.www.abovetopsecret.com...
Please give it a read, to know what this guy thinks.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 08:49 AM
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If you really want to bring the globalists back to the US, you'll have to drag the economy down to the bottom.
How would you enjoy living with the same costs, and the wage of the average chinese worker that first has to sign an agreement promising that he won't commit suicide on the job ?
Is that what you want ?

Fight the plague with more plague...



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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nobody puts you Americans to shame, you put yourselfs to shame

enjoy your downfall



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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For Pete's sake! I didn't say I AGREE with him, I was just INFORMING the readers here of what he SAID.

No, I don't want to be brought down to the same degradation as you describe. Do you?
Good grief.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 09:14 AM
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That is a sweeping statement from someone who hasn't the guts to self-identify. Whatever. ... There are millions and millions of Americans who want to work but there aren't jobs available for us because they are given to people willing -- or forced -- to work for pennies in sweatshops. And the globalists like it that way.

Thumbs down, and thumbed nose, to you, sir.



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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Raise taxes, or don't raise taxes. It won't matter either way. America is over. Capitalists will simply go where the highest growths are. Leaving Amerika to become a banana republik. Rejoice!!!



posted on Aug, 25 2011 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by Bluesma

The sad part about that graph is that it was the money of the middle class going out, while the ultrarich kept theirs.
But, yeah, cutting spending at the same time is part of France's plan. It might help the US if they considered it.


Government overspending is why people are so focused on taxes. Government takes us out on a drinking binge, then plans to hand us the credit card bill. The public is now playing a game of hot potato with the bill we know is coming.

The other side of the coin of Government spending is, that it makes up part of GDP. This was one of the artificial means of propping up GDP numbers in 2009. Once austerity measures kick in, GDP will decline. Whispers are that GDP numbers (and price of equities) will decline for a couple of quarters. With US Q3 GDP estimates near 1%, there's a risk of GDP going negative for a quarter or two. Two meaning recession again, and companies then cut even more investments (labor, etc).
edit on 25-8-2011 by Dbriefed because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 26 2011 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by Chrysalis
This is such a joke, and you are buying it, amazing.


I am not really seeing what the joke is you are refering to.

The rapport du Cour Des Comptes is rather long and complex, and I am reading it but it may take me a few days. The most heard about part of it has been the salutation given for the cutting of spending by the Elysee, which was very significant.
The Taxe Professionelle, from what I have understood up until now, was not capped, but replaced by la cotisation foncière des entreprises, and la cotisation sur la valeur ajoutée des entreprises. This year, being a business owner myself, I and my collegues saw the amount we have to pay RISE in that change. So..... I will have to research your claim further.

I wonder if you aren’t refering, instead, to the inheritance tax ? This became questioned by Migaud (the president of Cour des Comptes) as making the taxes lighter for the very rich because it exonerrated many things like works of art. For the Americans trying to follow this, Migaud is a Socialist....... just add that to the understanding of where the criticism is coming from.

We must be running in different social circles, because I see Sarcozy being re-elected.

On the Pharmaceutical question-
There, I have LOTS of knowledge. My husband works for Servier. He used to be working Mediator.
For one, the process used to determine deaths is complete BS. Research it further. It is not based on any clear proof of cause, and a small number of highly questionable deaths were then multiplied to find a potential. It is a total farce. (but it is great for fooling the public and giving the media something to provoke with).

Secondly, while they had that molecule, my husband was coming home at night angry because he explained to me he had doctors prescribing it for weight loss- and often at the same time as other medicines that were terribly dangerous in combination with it (like diuretics). This medicine was not made to be for weight loss, it is for serious problems of diabetes and cardio, and like any effective medicine, should not be taken outside of it’s intended usage !

He was doing all he could to get doctors to stop that. Soon the lab was giving them a bonus if they were able to bring DOWN the sales of Mediator in their sector ! Soon they gave up, saying they couldn’t get the doctors to stop that, and they stopped the medicine. (NO, they did not re-release it under any other name. Your information is wrong.)

All the people who had problems years later were those (mostly women) who were taking it for weight loss, and usually along with drugs that in combination with it, caused damage.

The fact is that the doctors are to blame here, for having been irresponsible. They do not want to accept the blame, and the problem for the lab is that they cannot point this fact out, for obvious reasons. So they are playing scapegoat for their doctor clients.

We can go further on with this topic, as I am deep in it, my husband and his collegues all being dragged into the investigation.

But frankly, I do not see what it has to do with the topic of this thread !

(Servier is not on the stock market either)

The fact that the very rich in France expressed their willingness to pay more taxes in order to support and show solidarity says a lot about their culture. That is the interesting part to me. The values of a people.



posted on Aug, 26 2011 @ 01:13 AM
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what was stopping these people from freely giving their property to the government?


Ummmm....because they don't HAVE to?

Would you pay more if you didn't HAVE to, or would you pay more if you had too?



posted on Aug, 26 2011 @ 01:24 AM
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funny such rich / smart people can be so stupid or ignorant.

do they really believe all the money they 'give' or are 'taxed' is going to go ANYWHERE near the people or its infastructure?

it'll just be given to bankers and corporate theives.

sorry the only solution is to hang the sob's



posted on Aug, 26 2011 @ 02:14 AM
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How do you expect me to take you seriously when you think that calling someone a socialist is all the justification you need ?



posted on Aug, 26 2011 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by Chrysalis
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How do you expect me to take you seriously when you think that calling someone a socialist is all the justification you need ?


That is a fact, he is a member of the Socialist party.
That is relevant to the context of their opinion.

For example, if someone is of the right and claims the rich are not paying enough taxes,
it would add emphasis upon the opinion- the rich must REALLY be paying almost nothing for someone of that position to percieve that!

If someone of the left claims that same thing,
It doesn't discredit their opinion, but it changes the context. The left being much more sensitive to minor differences, it wouldn't have to be a great amount less for them to have that perception.

Both extremes have their place in the overall picture, both right and left,
and here, the right tends to clamor for the right of the individual (and therefore, the individuals who have climbed their way to financial success and responsibility)
While the left clamors for the right of the collective (and therefore the common peoples who have prefer to keep a low profile, and stay dependant employees)

As much as these two extremes need to be clamoring their position to create a check and balance with each other, neither should be followed 100% in my opinion. The role of the governing leader is to listen to each, take each with a pinch of salt, and try to find midway solutions to them each, to achieve that balance ultimately.

You don't have to take me seriously. You can take me however you want. You have freedom of thought and I have no intent to limit that.



posted on Aug, 26 2011 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
funny such rich / smart people can be so stupid or ignorant.

do they really believe all the money they 'give' or are 'taxed' is going to go ANYWHERE near the people or its infastructure?

it'll just be given to bankers and corporate theives.

sorry the only solution is to hang the sob's


It is a different culture.... though just calling people with different culture "stupid" is very tempting, it is rarely accurate.

In this country, showing off ones wealth is highly frowned upon. In the same way sex has been tabooed in the US, money is tabooed in France. So, just in terms of their status and reputation socially, this is a socially correct move. If they just gave away some of their wealth without insisting all rich people with them be obligated to do same, it would be recieved as an egotistical decision, only made to show off how wealthy they are, especially in comparision to the other rich people who didn't do same.
Solidarity is the key word here.

Being that the banks in France are being called upon to cover the butt of Greece, (which will eventually pull on the people themselves through bank fees) giving money to the banks to help them do this is considered a way to lighten how much they shall have to pull from the people to do this.



posted on Aug, 26 2011 @ 02:49 AM
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16 people don't speak for a country. Just like *gasp* Buffet doesn't speak for all rich Americans.

No doubt of course that the rich wouldn't feel the pinch of a few more percentage points.. while the middle class gets raped at every turn.



posted on Aug, 26 2011 @ 02:50 AM
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May I remind you that the "Cour des Comptes" was lead by Philippe séguin from 2004 to his death in 2010 ?
And that guy was in the same party than Sarkozy, but i guess you don't care. And it's that same guy that criticised Sarkozy for having hired an extra 100 people at the Elysée. Who needs that many cooks, servants and nail polishers ? And he was also pinned as a survey / poll addict, ordering up to 3 polls a week. It must be a sign that he was confident his policies were beeing well received on the lower end.

Or what about these two advisors that while working for the ministry of health (a freemason) were still paid by Servier ?

That even if the molecule was deemed having no health benefits at all, they still used tax money to help sell it, even though it was an established fact that the med was dangerous. It is suspected to have caused over 500 deaths.





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