reply to post by Scramjet76
Fantastic thread!!!!.
Well worth a look, thank you for the information and diagrams!!!
jah bless
(never new UFOs got sooooo big)
ATS Giant UFOs Scaling Project!, page 2
reply posted on 24-8-2011 @ 10:08 AM by Kandinsky
reply to post by Beamish
Some good points there Beamish; trying to imagine these monsters in a meaningful way is tough. Too big, too overlooked and rather than writing them all off, it's worth thinking around the edges of *how* the witnesses could be right.
Some good points there Beamish; trying to imagine these monsters in a meaningful way is tough. Too big, too overlooked and rather than writing them all off, it's worth thinking around the edges of *how* the witnesses could be right.
reply posted on 24-8-2011 @ 10:20 AM by cosmicexplorer
reply to post by Scramjet76
Great thread...original idea and interesting....
Ufos is what im here for! And some of these cases i dont think ive heard of.
Great thread...original idea and interesting....
Ufos is what im here for! And some of these cases i dont think ive heard of.
reply posted on 24-8-2011 @ 10:25 AM by Beamish
reply to post by Kandinsky
Not being at all versed in the physicality of aircraft aerodynamics, I am hardly at liberty to state with any certainty just how much impact a solid craft of the sizes illustrated would have on the immediate environment. I imagine it would be immense.
However, it is worth speculating that given there were no – as far as I know - “Speilbergian” type weather effects associated with them (think his version of the War of the Worlds) they might not have been as “solid” as we think.
I am obviously speaking about something that represents an archetype to the spectator; a visual challenge for the psyche to see just what we make intellectually of an object that cannot exist under our present paradigm.
Think of the alleged lack of reaction to European galleons sailing towards the shores of native islanders on seeing them for the first time. If I remember rightly, the natives considered the ships new “islands”. They made of them what they could. They were right, in a way.
Us seeing these supposedly immense flying craft could just be our way of rationally justifying how they are up there, and what they are there for.
We could be way off the mark.
Too big, too overlooked and rather than writing them all off, it's worth thinking around the edges of *how* the witnesses could be right.
Not being at all versed in the physicality of aircraft aerodynamics, I am hardly at liberty to state with any certainty just how much impact a solid craft of the sizes illustrated would have on the immediate environment. I imagine it would be immense.
However, it is worth speculating that given there were no – as far as I know - “Speilbergian” type weather effects associated with them (think his version of the War of the Worlds) they might not have been as “solid” as we think.
I am obviously speaking about something that represents an archetype to the spectator; a visual challenge for the psyche to see just what we make intellectually of an object that cannot exist under our present paradigm.
Think of the alleged lack of reaction to European galleons sailing towards the shores of native islanders on seeing them for the first time. If I remember rightly, the natives considered the ships new “islands”. They made of them what they could. They were right, in a way.
Us seeing these supposedly immense flying craft could just be our way of rationally justifying how they are up there, and what they are there for.
We could be way off the mark.
reply posted on 24-8-2011 @ 10:26 AM by BIGPoJo
reply to post by fleabit
Well, what about the inherent risks of interstellar travel faster than the speed of light. Running into a micro meteorite at that speed would do more damage than any human could do with a terrestrial weapon. Pretty sure going in for a peek is no where near as risky as leaving our solar system.
Which of those ships is city-sized? I guess if your "city" is a mile across, then.. sure. If that is what you came in, and you don't have "probes," then I suppose you fly what you got, yes? I think it's funny you actually think you could fathom the inheret risks of flying a large craft over foreign planets.
Well, what about the inherent risks of interstellar travel faster than the speed of light. Running into a micro meteorite at that speed would do more damage than any human could do with a terrestrial weapon. Pretty sure going in for a peek is no where near as risky as leaving our solar system.
reply posted on 24-8-2011 @ 10:29 AM by BIGPoJo
reply to post by Beamish
I have heard this story too. There was a shaman standing on the beach staring at the boats. No one else could see the boats. Then the shaman would walk around and poke people in the forehead and said "SEE". The people began to see the boats where there was none before.
Their brains had never seen a plank of wood let alone a navy ship, they did not know how to process the visual information.
Think of the alleged lack of reaction to European galleons sailing towards the shores of native islanders on seeing them for the first time. If I remember rightly, the natives considered the ships new “islands”. They made of them what they could. They were right, in a way.
I have heard this story too. There was a shaman standing on the beach staring at the boats. No one else could see the boats. Then the shaman would walk around and poke people in the forehead and said "SEE". The people began to see the boats where there was none before.
Their brains had never seen a plank of wood let alone a navy ship, they did not know how to process the visual information.
reply posted on 24-8-2011 @ 10:43 AM by Beamish
reply to post by fleabit
Personally, I hadn’t heard that they were invisible to the natives. It makes more sense that they saw something that related to technology they already had, but in their mindset couldn’t possibly exist.
So, they were islands.
With our new understanding of the world around us, we can make similar observations; we see vast “objects” in the sky, they remind us of our own technology but on a grander scale, so we “see” space ships.
But perhaps we are not as far removed from those natives as we think.
It’s all supposition, isn’t it?
Just because they were larger and had white sails.. they were invisible to them?
Personally, I hadn’t heard that they were invisible to the natives. It makes more sense that they saw something that related to technology they already had, but in their mindset couldn’t possibly exist.
So, they were islands.
With our new understanding of the world around us, we can make similar observations; we see vast “objects” in the sky, they remind us of our own technology but on a grander scale, so we “see” space ships.
But perhaps we are not as far removed from those natives as we think.
It’s all supposition, isn’t it?
reply posted on 24-8-2011 @ 12:01 PM by alfa1
Well of course there is also the massive Kansas City UFO described in this thread...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
August 10th 2011. Just a few weeks ago.
Seen by *ONE* person.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
August 10th 2011. Just a few weeks ago.
Seen by *ONE* person.
reply posted on 24-8-2011 @ 12:06 PM by philware
reply to post by MainLineThis
i have one word for the likes of you
but i will not drop down to your level
i have one word for the likes of you
but i will not drop down to your level
reply posted on 24-8-2011 @ 12:53 PM by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by BIGPoJo
When he said decent, I'm not thinking he meant 1080p, I'm inclined to think, from his tone, that he meant some actual footage that shows something other than a vague light, and since these mile wide massive objects are that big, there should be various angels available.
your argument about technology is merely an evolved "no one had cameras back then" argument which holds no merit what so ever. Try this, next time you are outside, stop 10 people and ask them if their cellphone has a camera.
If these mile wide and larger *ships* are in fact real and being seen, then we should only need to wait long enough for a few people to catch a glimpse on their phone.
A single high quality video is ok evidence, several independently filmed mediocre videos are better as long as they can be traced (dome of the rock "ufo" hoax for example).
Another issue, as with the phoenix lights, is people see lights in the sky that appear to be moving together, and their brain does the rest of the work, it's a massive dark object. I believe some UFO show (maybe fact or faked?) did a test with this using I believe balloons and lights tethered together, actually, I think this was them attempting to debunk the phoenix lights or something similar.
the human brain is quite complex and you are mostly along for the ride, your brain does so much behind the scenes so you don't have to worry about it. Certain disorders and brain damage can affect these areas, some of which control facial recognition. Some people actually can't tell anyone apart, for them it's like trying to tell apart dolphins. Some people honestly don't recognize themselves in the mirror. Other people recognize everyone on earth as someone they know from somewhere, when in fact they have never met. Did you know that your brain only uses a tiny fraction of the information coming from your eyes? You make think you are seeing everything around you, but in reality, your brain is only really focused on a tiny section in the middle, so while you are focusing on object A, your brain is basically blurring everything else out. One of the various reasons eyewitness testimony isn't as solid as some people think. Go ahead and try to send someone to jail based only on your eyewitness testimony. That witness with some circumstantial evidence is convincing, that witness alone is insufficient.
Our brains are hardwired to try to make things easy for us, this is where matrix-ing and other issues come in, and I do believe a good chunk of sightings can be blamed on this. That said, they indeed saw something, but there is always the possibility their brain told them they saw a large silent black craft, when in fact they saw 3 balloons with LEDS in them.
that said, after digging a little deeper into the phoenix incident I've learned that the clear military flares explain the later event, but apparently people did report seeing a massive craft blocking out the sky an hour or so before the one we all saw on video, and those witnesses say the video we saw looks nothing like what they saw.
I dunno, whenever someone brings up the point that people aren't watching the skies anymore, I can't help but remember a Tom Green skit where he walks around a city, randomly pointing at something in the sky until people look where he is pointing, then he points somewhere else, and of course they all look there.
If these events are actually happening then it's only a matter of time before we get something tangible in the form of various different angles of the same event, hopefully showing a craft not just a bright light.
If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on a large craft sighting being the lynch pin that converts everyone to believers, but until then, no "take my word for it" is going to be strong enough. People lie, people hoax, and some people will take it to the grave because they got a sick satisfaction from wasting your time.
Well the reason is that even with today's tech, it is hard to film a flying object due to distance, distortion, and crappy auto focus. Another reason is that most people don't carry $500 Sony HD cams everywhere they go. Go outside tonight and try to film the Moon, you will see what I mean when I say its hard to get quality footage.
When he said decent, I'm not thinking he meant 1080p, I'm inclined to think, from his tone, that he meant some actual footage that shows something other than a vague light, and since these mile wide massive objects are that big, there should be various angels available.
your argument about technology is merely an evolved "no one had cameras back then" argument which holds no merit what so ever. Try this, next time you are outside, stop 10 people and ask them if their cellphone has a camera.
If these mile wide and larger *ships* are in fact real and being seen, then we should only need to wait long enough for a few people to catch a glimpse on their phone.
A single high quality video is ok evidence, several independently filmed mediocre videos are better as long as they can be traced (dome of the rock "ufo" hoax for example).
Another issue, as with the phoenix lights, is people see lights in the sky that appear to be moving together, and their brain does the rest of the work, it's a massive dark object. I believe some UFO show (maybe fact or faked?) did a test with this using I believe balloons and lights tethered together, actually, I think this was them attempting to debunk the phoenix lights or something similar.
the human brain is quite complex and you are mostly along for the ride, your brain does so much behind the scenes so you don't have to worry about it. Certain disorders and brain damage can affect these areas, some of which control facial recognition. Some people actually can't tell anyone apart, for them it's like trying to tell apart dolphins. Some people honestly don't recognize themselves in the mirror. Other people recognize everyone on earth as someone they know from somewhere, when in fact they have never met. Did you know that your brain only uses a tiny fraction of the information coming from your eyes? You make think you are seeing everything around you, but in reality, your brain is only really focused on a tiny section in the middle, so while you are focusing on object A, your brain is basically blurring everything else out. One of the various reasons eyewitness testimony isn't as solid as some people think. Go ahead and try to send someone to jail based only on your eyewitness testimony. That witness with some circumstantial evidence is convincing, that witness alone is insufficient.
Our brains are hardwired to try to make things easy for us, this is where matrix-ing and other issues come in, and I do believe a good chunk of sightings can be blamed on this. That said, they indeed saw something, but there is always the possibility their brain told them they saw a large silent black craft, when in fact they saw 3 balloons with LEDS in them.
that said, after digging a little deeper into the phoenix incident I've learned that the clear military flares explain the later event, but apparently people did report seeing a massive craft blocking out the sky an hour or so before the one we all saw on video, and those witnesses say the video we saw looks nothing like what they saw.
I dunno, whenever someone brings up the point that people aren't watching the skies anymore, I can't help but remember a Tom Green skit where he walks around a city, randomly pointing at something in the sky until people look where he is pointing, then he points somewhere else, and of course they all look there.
If these events are actually happening then it's only a matter of time before we get something tangible in the form of various different angles of the same event, hopefully showing a craft not just a bright light.
If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on a large craft sighting being the lynch pin that converts everyone to believers, but until then, no "take my word for it" is going to be strong enough. People lie, people hoax, and some people will take it to the grave because they got a sick satisfaction from wasting your time.
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