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Originally posted by godservant
I am interested to hear from catholics on one of the most visable error in the catholic church.
Are there not statues in all these churches and don't folks bow down before them? Wouldn't this mean they sin everytime they go to church?
Just curious - I don't get it, thats all.
Originally posted by Earthscum
servant, don't let the catholics fool you... they like to beat around the bush. They claim they don't worship these images, and for most catholics it is true (albeit there are alot of misguided souls out there...)
BUT: You shall not make any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth
If you go into a catholic church, one of the first things you see is a 'graven image' of a MAN on a cross... umm, man is part of this earth, mind you! Not to mention all the other silly trinkets and stuff that they have. It is not just Catholics that are guilty of this, though... it is just about any organized christian religion you can find.
Exodus 25:18 "And thou shalt make two cherubims[angels] of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them."
Originally posted by godservant
Exodus 25:18 "And thou shalt make two cherubims[angels] of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them."
That was for the ark of the covenant.
The conspiracy I talk of - is it possible to make someone sin everytime they go to church?
Originally posted by godservant
What about the sign of the cross in front of the crucifix.
What about wearing the crucifix on a necklace.
What about the fact that Christ is no longer on the cross, but risen - he is not on the cross anymore.
What about the actions of the priests around these statues?
someone decided to make statues and someone decided to get rid of books - some say even modify the ones they've kept.
There are many secrets in the catholic church - why?
I am not trying to offend anyone - this is my opinion, and opinions can change.
Originally posted by LadyV
1) Why was it necessary for there to be 'any" type of a sacrifice to god? For what purpose does killing an animal hold, for a god that can create with a thought? What was derived from it?
2) Why would a person have to die and shed blood for someone else's sins? Why would a god have to give up a child for this? A god can do or cause anything by thinking it, after all, that's supposedly how he created the heavens and the earth...why was this an absolute necessity to happen, for what?
Originally posted by godservant
The conspiracy I talk of - is it possible to make someone sin everytime they go to church?
Originally posted by LadyV
Weeeeeeeeeeeelllll, while were on this subject, could some one explainsomething to me, I have asked this on boards before nad I have mentioned it on this one asdn of course everyone skips over it.
1) Why was it necessary for there to be 'any" type of a sacrifice to god? For what purpose does killing an animal hold, for a god that can create with a thought? What was derived from it?
2) Why would a person have to die and shed blood for someone else's sins? Why would a god have to give up a child for this? A god can do or cause anything by thinking it, after all, that's supposedly how he created the heavens and the earth...why was this an absolute necessity to happen, for what?
As to not creating images and doing it anyway.....get real! The Christian bible says, not to lust in your heart, "most" Christians do it anyway, do not lie, cheat and steal, "most" professed Christians do it anyway, do not judge others, "most" do it anyway...this list could go on and on....
Originally posted by LadyV
1) Why was it necessary for there to be 'any" type of a sacrifice to god?
2) Why would a person have to die and shed blood for someone else's sins?
"most" Christians do it anyway
blanketgirl:
Have you ever read of the ancient Jewish ritual where a goat was taken into the temple- everyone laid their sins on to the goat and then it was run out of town
There is very little non-christian evidence of an historical Jesus
Originally posted by Nygdan
There is very little non-christian evidence of an historical Jesus
Josephus supposedly mentions someone that might be him. But in reality, why should there be any mention of the quickly executed leader of a small and not terribly succesful religious sect?