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Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by mikeybiznaz
Looking at the geological maps of the area, done by the experts, there is no faults in the areas that the earthquakes were presented. There are 2 conclusions, one is that a new fault is opening up, or it is a deep fault as they have discovered out in the California. Looking at the USGS maps, the faults are clearly marked in areas that have a lot of earthquakes, the question is where are the faults in the areas that these 2 happened, as they are not marked.
August 23, 2011 – COLORADO – Southern Colorado was rattled by a magnitude 4.6 earthquake Monday evening near Trinidad. That quake was overshadowed by a much stronger 5.3 magnitude earthquake which struck near the same region. A string of aftershocks followed. The same area had been struck by a gentler temblor earlier in the morning. According to the US Geological Survey, the 4.6 quake occurred at 5:30pm and was centered 16 miles west southwest of Trinidad or 20 miles west northwest of Raton, New Mexico. The quake occurred at a relatively shallow depth of 5.0 miles. Initial reports show the quake was felt in Trinidad and as far north as La Veta and Aguilar. To the south in New Mexico, Raton felt the shaking as well as Springer and Questa. This morning, a magnitude 2.9 quake struck the same area at 7:52am. This also follows a magnitude 2.8 temblor in March. Other quakes up to magnitude 4.1 have been recorded in January 2010 as well as a series of quakes in the area in August 2009. The earthquake’s epicenter was 299 km (185 miles) S of DENVER, Colorado. –The Examiner – Seismicity activity in the Sangre de Cristos Mountains: The Sangre de Cristos are fault block mountains with major fault lines running along both the east and west sides of the mountains. In places, there are also fault lines cutting right through the mountain chain. The mountains were pushed up about 27 million years ago, pretty much as one big chunk of rock. On the west side is the San Luis Valley with the Rio Grande Rift Zone running down the middle. On the southeast side is the Raton Basin with a quiet but still active volcano field. On the northeast side are the Wet Mountains and the Front Range, areas of pre-Cambrian rock raised up during the Colorado Orogeny some 1.7 billion years ago. The Blanca Massif is also pre-Cambrian rock while the main body of the Sangres themselves is composed of Permian-Pennsylvanian rock and a mix of igneous intrusions, conglomerates and shale that is only about 250 million years old.
Originally posted by westcoast
reply to post by UtahRosebud
Well, I don't have a whole lot more to say about it at this point....just that there are definate oddities (size of quake on seismos vs listed mag; That these and some other notable quakses around the world are on the same line of latitude; that both of these quakes, rare for recorded history, happened whithin hours of each other, USGS is leaving off key information.
You know how I like to look at the big picture. Something is naging at me here. I'm thinking they are foreshocks becuase of how the quakes are behaving and for reasons I just can't explain. It's due to everything I am taking in but am not conciously aware of. I think you will get what I mean. I am sure I will get some ridicule for saying this, but there it is.
Originally posted by Open2Truth
I want to take a minute to thank westcoast for the thread - as well as DexterRiley for his story and info.
I am an old California quake veteran going back to the '72 Sylmar quake - but a few years ago I move to VA. I had audio experiences possibly connected to the quake yesterday that I'm still trying to explain. I don't want to derail the thread - but I wanted to thank both the ATS members with the scientific know how that are helping us with the science as well as the individuals who have real experiences and are looking for real answers.
While I haven't been on ATS more than a few months, I've been here long enough to see that there is often a sometimes sarcastic tone between the science "camp" and those that are searching for answers. I can see in this thread a real effort by some "searchers" to familiarize themselves with the knowledge - and a willingness by the science-savvy to help - AND to listen. I'm on ATS specifically for this kind of collaboration.
Date-Time Thursday, August 25, 2011 at 05:07:50 UTC
Thursday, August 25, 2011 at 01:07:50 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location 37.940°N, 77.896°W
Depth 5 km (3.1 miles)
Distances 51 km (31 miles) E of Charlottesville, Virginia
53 km (32 miles) SW of Fredericksburg, Virginia
58 km (36 miles) NW of RICHMOND, Virginia
83 km (51 miles) NNE of Farmville, Virginia
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 11.3 km (7.0 miles); depth +/- 3 km (1.9 miles)
Parameters NST= 94, Nph=109, Dmin=52.3 km, Rmss=1.41 sec, Gp= 86°,
M-type="Nuttli" surface wave magnitude (mbLg), Version=5
Source Magnitude: USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Location: USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Event ID usc0005jg1
MAP 4.5 2011/08/25 05:07:51 37.940 -77.896 5.0 VIRGINIA
MAP 3.2 2011/08/25 03:44:41 37.263 -104.862 7.4 COLORADO
my Dear God in Heaven, we are all gonna die. If ELEs turning Saturn's rings on end what will it do to Earth...OMG
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by westcoast
hello, clarification = NO new quake ~~ [well as of that posting anyway, been unavailable most of the day] ... so, as i read (and why i bolded some) it indicates that 8/23/2011 VA quake produced "delayed damage today" - 8/24 (also around 2pm / 24hrs later) and i thought it worthy of mentioning.
Considering the location (NJ) in relation to epicenter (VA), my thoughts went straight to liquefaction possibilities ... especially when RMs theory is added to the mix.
the description provided of the partial collapse is rather vague, but i am familiar with the territory and a sandy, loose base is common for that area.
it is my thought that all of the events/activities mentioned: excessive & late snow melt, glacial retreat, fracking, cavern/mine slosh, polar shift (magnetism), solar impacts, alignments and the quake rattle are relative and contributing factors, each in their own right.
to those who don't understand why the alignments matter, consider the moon and how its monthly phases impact all kinds of things from tides to moods.
since the moon does, surely these celestial competitors will and since such an alignment hasn't been historically recorded, tis prudent to be aware and be prepared to absorb the adjustments that become necessary.
much like the flutter of a butterfly, each impact is felt differently but thoroughly throughout the fault regions.
i like your analogy of a bath tub filled with water and i often use similar ... i tend to reference a full cup of coffee and what happens when fluid is added to the cup while it is tipped at an angle.
this rapid polar shift (change in magnetism) and the negative force of our celestial visitor could cause the earth to repel the energy (like opposing magnets) causing an unnatural tilt for an extended period of time.
*** search pics of saturn during ELEs passing ... if i'm not mistaken the rings are clearly opposite their natural position/angle, appearing to repel ELEs opposing energy *** [i'll find and add pics later]
considering earth may react similarly ... if this be the case, what then happens to the 'fluid/magma' chamber of the earth ?? clearly, its residual location changes and as the forces play against one another, the 'fluid' isn't likely to settle anytime soon.
The increased stress placed upon the tectonic plates has to produce severe consequence/adjustments, eventually. It is only natural.
so, to reiterate, yes i know buildings collapse even without a quake ... i just found this one noteworthy for more than one reason.
i also agree with your presumption this is likely a fore-shock sequence.
afterall, some of the 'worst' damage depicted early on Was the fallen patio chair
@ my3911 ~ star for such a wonderful effort