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Originally posted by Adurna
reply to post by davesmart
Well you just stated your beliefs without a shred of proof. Please post something factual if you dont mind.
Well lets take a look at what you have then.
So first why I believe in God. I feel I believe in God strongly because I have gone over it logically with scientific theories I am thought at school, not garbage that is randomly taken from the internet.
So if all the energy was already there, how did it get there in the first place? I guess since you believe energy cannot be created from nothing you believe the energy just always has existed, so since God is energy you believe God always has been and always will be?
First I present to two scientific statements: Energy cannot be created or destroyed but must be converted from one form to another. The second statement is Einstein's famous theory of relativity which is E=M C2 which is energy equals mass by the speed of light which if simplified that everything around is energy. If everything around us is energy that means that all the energy was there at the big bang and prior to it.
Hmmm, you really aren't making much sense here. I think you are referring to the Big Bounce theory, and you are saying it could be right but it all must have an absolute beginning? If so, then you still need to explain where the initial energy came from.
Many people say that there could have been a universe before this one and there could of been but you must have an absolute at the beginning that did not have a beginning otherwise you are waiting for the previous one to be created from nothing therefore your waiting for nothing to set something in motion.
Fair enough. My basic concept of God is similar to that. I basically see the Universe as one massive intelligent entity. If you look at pictures of the Universe it has a lot of similarities to the neural networks of a brain. But it's a theory, not something I know is true.
Many atheists ask me why doesn't God show himself. Well first if he creates everything he is must transcend everything. If he creates time and space then he does not exist within time and space which is where we all reside. That is my fundamental belief in God.
I wont even bother to respond to this. I'm sure you'll provoke enough response from others without my input.
Now for my belief in religion. I believe that if not every religion the three Abrahamic religions at least were created by God. First Muslim means to be in harmony with your creator, therefore everything in nature is Muslim. Humans however have been given free-will so they have the power to move closer to their creator or to move away. Everyone is born Muslim but the world takes you away from what you were meant to be.
Now we are getting into some good stuff. I completely disagree with you to the greatest extent one person can disagree with another. It's attitudes like that which lead to people who absolutely depend on a bit of religious text to guide their lives. When I do something morally wrong I can often sense what I have done is wrong, because I know it will have undesirable consequences for others. If I were to kill my father in cold blood I would know it was wrong, do you seriously think a person with a soul needs a book to let them know that is wrong?
The reason God gave us religion is to tell us what is right and what is wrong. Otherwise how are we meant to know? Morality doesn't exist in science!
I proved myself scientifically
It is impossible to understand God.
So now you're turning it into something completely out of the bounds of science but yet you initially claimed it was based in solid science?
Concerning the matter of energy, yes it all came from God. Yes God always has been and always will be because he does not exist within the laws of the universe as he creates them.
You clearly can't see the contradiction in what you are saying. How can it have an absolute beginning but also need something to set it in motion? That would imply there was something before the absolute beginning. God I presume? You still fail at the most fundamental question: where did God come from or how is that God has always existed (in fact your own logic here would presume there needs to be an absolute beginning to God).
Yes it had to have absolute beginning because something cant come from nothing as you need to have a action to start a reaction but something else has to set action in motion.
I was simply saying that "God is everything". In my mind the Universe is basically everything. There may be other Universes but that is getting beyond the scope of this debate. If the Universe is literally the brain of God as I suggested then God is everywhere and everything. This is actually quite similar to what you are describing. edit: you state God "transcends everything" but you also state he doesn't exist within this realm, he simply created it. So I guess you're describing something quite different after all.
I think you also misinterpreted me. God is not the Universe as we know the universe has a beginning and an end. I'm saying God created the Universe and all its laws so he doesn't exist within the laws of physics as we know today such as time and space.
What does science have to do with morality? You can't even comprehend that morality can exist within ones own self and thus you seek outward sources for guidance, like religion or science (which you quickly realized has no morals, and you aren't wrong).
Morality itself does not exist within science. A murderer may not feel the same way if he killed his father in cold-blood? How is he to know that it is wrong then? I agree with your description of religious extremists but I'm not an extremist.