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UN Report Offers Smoking Gun Proof of NATO & U.S. Lies

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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 07:28 AM
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UN Report Offers Smoking Gun Proof of NATO & U.S. Lies


www.mathaba.net

Before NATO and the U.S. started bombing Libya, the United Nations was preparing to bestow an award on Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, and the Libyan Jamahiriya, for its achievements in the area of human rights. That's right--the same man, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, that NATO and the United States have been telling us for months is a "brutal dictator," was set to be given an award for his human rights record in Libya.
(visit the link for the full news article)


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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 07:28 AM
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So why is it that we hunt people down and demonize them?

I know he was not a sweet guy, but a lot of people that are guilty of warcrimes are living in the west and still working in the west.
And we do nothing about them, we just let them be.

How come we live in a world where all the war criminals are always not us?
But always them?

Isn't it about time that we took charge of OUR world and stop them from killing the world we and our children are living in?

I mean nuclear coverup, torture, environmental disasters that get covered up, to poor that have to carry the heaviest burden on their shoulders, the rich that live like pigs. Companies that rule over government, corruption etc etc.
It's unbelievable that all this is still continuing in the 21e century!

Is it time for a new French revolution?



www.mathaba.net
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 07:44 AM
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Opinions expressed by governments always serve a purpose, mainly to sway the opinions of the proles.

So when the opinion changes, you have to go back to the source, the single one thing that motivates governments.

In a philosophical sense it is power (because power = freedom), but to put it better perspective - Money.

So I guess in a sense you could say in today's society money = freedom. Kind of ironic really, considering our unnatural relationship with materialism is in essence a barrier to a higher state of mind free of has and has nots.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 07:52 AM
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I think that site is either being disingenuous about what the report actually says or it has at least misinterpreted it.

The article states;


It is noteworthy to read the following couple of sentences from the General Assembly's report:

"Several delegations also noted with appreciation the country's commitment to upholding human rights on the ground. Additional statements, which could not be delivered during the interactive dialogue, owing to time constraints, will be posted on the extranet of the universal periodic review when available."

In a footnote of that report, there is a list of countries that praised Colonel Gaddafi and the Libyan Jamahiriya (state of the masses), in support of the General Assembly Human Rights Council's decision to bestow this award upon Colonel Gaddafi. I simply present the list.


And then presents the list however the list presented refers to those nations whose statements could not be made within the time constraints not to those nations that praised Libya’s human rights records.

The relevant quote from the report is;


Several delegations also noted with appreciation the country’s commitment to upholding human rights on the ground. Additional statements, which could not be delivered during the interactive dialogue owing to time constraints, will be posted on the extranet of the universal periodic review when available.1


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1 Denmark, China, Italy, the Netherlands, Mauritania, Slovenia, Nicaragua, the Russian Federation, Spain, Indonesia, Sweden, Norway, Ecuador, Hungary, South Africa, the Philippines, Maldives, Chile, Singapore, Germany, Austria, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Angola, Nigeria, Congo, Burundi, Zambia, Rwanda, Burkina Faso, Senegal, Côte d’lvoire, Djibouti and Zimbabwe.


As should be clear, the footnote refers to the sentence “Additional statements, which could not be delivered during the interactive dialogue owing to time constraints, will be posted on the extranet of the universal periodic review when available.1” and not to the sentence “Several delegations also noted with appreciation the country’s commitment to upholding human rights on the ground.”

We don’t know who praised Libya, it could have been Zimbabwe and China for all we know.

I’ve only been able to skim the UN report but I can’t see anything relating to an award, just this praise quote.

As for Gaddafi’s brutality here’s a list of his most recent human rights abuses I posted a little while ago. It only refers to those abuses since the civil war began but there are others listed before that on the HRW and Amnesty site.

www.hrw.org...

www.hrw.org...

www.hrw.org...

www.hrw.org...

www.hrw.org...

www.hrw.org...

www.hrw.org...

www.hrw.org...

www.hrw.org...

en.rsf.org...

www.amnesty.org.uk...

www.amnesty.org.uk...

www.amnesty.org.uk...

www.amnesty.org.uk...

www.amnesty.org.uk...

www.amnesty.org.uk...

www.amnesty.org.uk...

It's certainly not a lie to say that Gaddafi was a brutal dictator.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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Do you guys bother to read anything before you post it and make claims? The report you referenced is Libyas response to concerns brought up by the Human Rights Commission, in addition to previous on going UNCHR investigations / questions stemming from their 2009 meeting.

Yes, countries have praised Libya for its recent actions in attempting reforms. A list of those supporting Libya are:
Iran
N. Korea
Syria
Venezuela
Morrocco
Egypt
Tunisia

Further more the report is dated January 2011, with the civil war in Libya starting in February of 2011.

It means the report your using to support your argument in reality undermines it since it took place prior to the issues now taking place in Libya.

A for effort though.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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Remember Libya was very tribal, Gadaffi brought them together.

Let's not forget the good things he has done just because America / NATO / Britain focus on the negative for their own biased view.

One has to get a mulitide of sources and then evalulate your own decisions.

It seems when people read things, they just read it and absorb it, they stop thinking.

Thinking is an important part of reading.

That is why i say "I said read it, not stop thinking" when I say for example, read David Icke
People seem to forget that other step. Thinking.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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I wouldn't put too much stock into this story, after all, Obama was awarded the nobel peace prize.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by sevensheeps


So why is it that we hunt people down and demonize them?

I know he was not a sweet guy, but a lot of people that are guilty of warcrimes are living in the west and still working in the west.
And we do nothing about them, we just let them be.


This argument is just hillarious. I see people use it all the time while pointing fingers at the West. What is disgusting though is how those very same people ignore situations that occur in other countries.

People demand the US be held accountible for deaths in Iraq and Afghaistan, while those very same cowards made absolutely no attempt to challenge, confront, change, bring to light, focus, discuss etc Hussein killing his own people, or the Taliban killing people simply because they werent "true faithful Muslims".

If you want the west to be held to your standard, then maybe you should apply your standards to all governments, instead of just tkaing the easy way out, which is all these groups ever do.

It will be difficult going after North Korea, Iran, Syria, simply because of the types of governments that are in place and the clamps those governments have placed on individual freedoms. Instead of fighting the difficult fight, they instead focus on western countries where their is rule of law and protection of individuals rights, in addition to being able to openly challenge government actions, all without the fear of being dragged out in the middle of the night never to be seen again.

These groups will gain more support when they behave in a manner that usggest they are actually concerned with human rights in all countries, instead of just picking the easy fights to score political points.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by Firefly_
I wouldn't put too much stock into this story, after all, Obama was awarded the nobel peace prize.


True, that just makes a mockery of the award I think.

I have a very low view of the awards now since Obama got handed it.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 09:47 AM
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No, you're wrong, Kernel Kadafi is a foreign domestic al qaeda terrorist the US never negotiates with terrorists



Libyan Rebel Leader Admits Links To “Al Qaeda” Fighters



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by filosophia
No, you're wrong, Kernel Kadafi is a foreign domestic al qaeda terrorist the US never negotiates with terrorists



Libyan Rebel Leader Admits Links To “Al Qaeda” Fighters


The same Al Qaeda that is also part of the Revels that NATO is working with in Libya?

Britain DOES negociate with terrorists and does conceed power to them. Just look at Northern Ireland. Run by terrorists.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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Just WHO are the rebels anyway ?

Exactly Who Are The Libyan Rebels?

There are all sorts of opinions on that matter. And regardless of who makes up the Libyan opposition, the most organized groups are most likely to seize power. But here is some of what we know:

–the rebel’s council (National Transitional Council–NTC) wants Islamic law to be “a source” of legislation in the new Libya. What does this mean? Some believe it means Shariah law is coming to Tripoli. Others contend that this “formulation is fairly standard in the constitutions of Muslim majority states,” and is no big deal. But remember, fanatics tend to rise to the top in these sort of situations. Moderates are usually not willing to do what it takes to eliminate their opponents and competitors. Whoever rises to the to won’t need Western aid. They will have plenty of energy revenue to stay in power.....

–the rebel’s fighting forces include hardened Islamists and anti-American extremists who fought against U.S. forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. Rebel commanders admit that some of their fighters have al-Qaeda links.The fighting force is an outgrowth of a group called Islamic Libya Fighting Group, which is a Libyan “mujahadeen force.” Yes, that’s right. We have been supporting a movement that includes former Taliban and Iraqi fighters. Those who think these sort of fighters can’t be “bought off” don’t understand or respect extremist ideologies. Fanatics can’t be “bought off.” What makes them fanatics is precisely the fact that they are willing to give up lives of relative peace and go live in a cave somewhere to fight “infidels” in Afghanistan. Money is not important to them.



Who Are the Libyan Rebels?

The assassination of the chief Libyan rebel commander underscores the murky nature of the rebel opposition group and casts fresh doubts over its ability to overthrow the Gaddafi regime.

General Abdul Fattah Younes, who been summoned to the Libyan opposition capital of Benghazi by the ruling Transitional National Council (TNC) for supposed questioning about military operations, was murdered there last week along with two other military officials.....

Specifically, the killing of Younes comes at time when the TNC — having recently been sanctioned as Libya’s legitimate ruling government by 40 nations, including the United States, France and England — now stands to receive over $30 billion of Gadaffi regime funds currently frozen in Western banks.

The sudden influx of such vast sums of money have, according to one Mideast expert, only served to intensify the inner divisions within the TNC, with each faction jockeying for control to “secure the status of being the only legitimate force to lead the country in the future.”



If this is true, why are we supporting fanatics ?

they don't like regular Libyans to many people.

could they be "foreign" financial mercenaries ?

there was a lot of recent support for Qudaffi and Son's BEFORE the "revolution" by top U.S. politicians.

never could understand the 180 degree turnaround.......unless it is all about MONEY






posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by xuenchen


they don't like regular Libyans to many people.



I thought that too, they don't look quite normal. Or is it, they look too normal?



Nice hair cut. Is that an electric razor in his hand because how does he keep his beard so well trimmed?

and this picture I saw yesterday and it made me laugh



Does the guy with the bandana always hold his gun so high up? Interesting how the camera man seems to have no fear of basically standing in front of the rebels as they are supposedly firing at the enemy. Is this a real war photo or a photo op? Wouldn't it be smarter for them to be standing behind their expensive looking car? Or if they didn't want bullet holes in their VW jetta maybe they could hide behind the van, why damage such a nice car?
edit on 23-8-2011 by filosophia because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 10:23 AM
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Care to provide the source where you pulled the pics from?

Please and thank you.
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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
could they be "foreign" financial mercenaries ?


This is completely possible.. Afterall Khaddafi has a lot of foreign mercenaries currently working for him to fight the rebels.

Are we sure thepictures arent of those foriegn mercenaries Khaddafi hired?



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by filosophia
 


Care to provide the source where you pulled the pics from?

Please and thank you.
edit on 23-8-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


It's called google. It's a search engine. I typed in 'libyan rebels image'



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by filosophia
 


Care to provide the source where you pulled the pics from?

Please and thank you.
edit on 23-8-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


It's called google. It's a search engine. I typed in 'libyan rebels image'


Oh ok, so then you have absolutely no way of knowing if they are actually rebels, government paid mercenaries, or actors from the hamas DisneyWorld.

Maybe you should include that little disclosure before posting and claiming they are something that cant be verified. I know you guys hate providing info like that, you know, facts that can be researched and verified.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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You're right, they could be actors from Disney World, meaning the entire "zero-hour for Gadafi" could be a complete hoax. I totally agree.

But to answer your question, one image was from Bloomberg, I think it says it if you put your arrow over the image, if not here then in the google search engine.
edit on 23-8-2011 by filosophia because: (no reason given)


Yes, I double checked, the image with the guy holding the gun really high up standing in front of the nice car is from bloomberg, so if they are just hired actors then you should probably put the blame on them.
edit on 23-8-2011 by filosophia because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by xuenchen


they don't like regular Libyans to many people.



I thought that too, they don't look quite normal. Or is it, they look too normal?



Nice hair cut. Is that an electric razor in his hand because how does he keep his beard so well trimmed?

and this picture I saw yesterday and it made me laugh



Does the guy with the bandana always hold his gun so high up? Interesting how the camera man seems to have no fear of basically standing in front of the rebels as they are supposedly firing at the enemy. Is this a real war photo or a photo op? Wouldn't it be smarter for them to be standing behind their expensive looking car? Or if they didn't want bullet holes in their VW jetta maybe they could hide behind the van, why damage such a nice car?
edit on 23-8-2011 by filosophia because: (no reason given)


Press stage photos? Who would have thought.

It is too easy to spot a sanatised and staged photo in the press.

You think a reporter is going to put themselves in danger? LOL no, they will stage a similar scene and send that over the feed. They just write their own version of that the military press guy said (or told them to say basically).

I would too lol


edit on 23-8-2011 by JennaDarling because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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You're right, it is easy to spot a staged photo in the press. I just did it.



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