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reply posted on 6-9-2011 @ 12:34 PM by sbctinfantry
Originally posted by hero_25
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Thanks for your reply. I actually agree with mostly everything you wrote in your 'last post'. It is important to cover your basics first (food production, water collection/storage, etc.).

But let me ask you... who do you think actually "owns gold" in this Country? You do realize that less then 1% of the population in the United States actually owns gold don't you? So really, this thread should be titled "If you don't have your basic's covered, then Don't Buy Gold! It's a trap". For those of us fortunate enough to be apart of the 1% who actually OWNS GOLD... why would you tell us to sell it? Since your thread clearly states "Sell your Gold NOW!" you are clearly talking "specifically" to the people who are like me and NOT to the 99% of the population who doesn't even own any Gold.


I do realize that, I also realize there are the rich, the megarich, and those who are more wealthy than we could comprehend.

If you are on this website, I would gather that you are not the megarich, much less the unfathomably rich. I could be wrong, but I'll wager I'm not.

If you have all your bases covered, it is still not a good idea to buy gold. Buying generators, and AWG's and storing them would be a far better option. Gold is a finite resource, once you've spent it to buy something it is gone. Get renewable. Use your noggin and realize that if you can produce water and food, you can buy the things you need with that. If you have to invest in something, get into Land and Energy or Water.

Am I saying that collapse is imminent, or even in the forseeable future? No. I'm saying that many here on ATS believe it is, and I would hate to see them wasting their wealth on a finite resource when they could create an industry. If you're going to prepare for doomsday, you should at least do it intelligently. Besides, if it never comes, you're left with a sack of metal that might or might not be worth something. If you buy (and I'm really just using this as an example even though I'm beating it to death) AWG's, you can create enough water to bring your bills down to almost zero (because who wants to fill a bathtub when you can just turn on the tap?). You could do the same with solar (which is what you've said), but why not invest in more solar to bring your bills to near zero? How about investing in some land and growing your own food or raising animals like chickens or cattle (depending on the size of your land). Invest in some good dogs, like huskies, and teach them to pull weight or a good hunting dog.

There is the old saying : Gold is the money of kings. Silver is the money of gentlemen, barter is the money of the poor. Debt is the money of slaves.

That doesn't mean that you can't buy gold, or you can't be in debt. However, if you have debt over your head, it's not very smart to buy gold (and yes, there are members here who have bought gold and do live with their mothers). It's not very smart to do anything except get out of debt. Once you do that, invest in something that will grant returns for your effort. You've just moved into the poor bracket, and use barter as money in times of crisis. If you feel like a gentleman later, you can get into silver later on, but use caution.

It is far greater to create something than to hoard it.




reply posted on 6-9-2011 @ 06:14 PM by hero_25
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I think the only thing I disagree with you here is your time table. A lot of what you are saying is great advice 'when we are very close' to a TOTAL COLLAPSE. Maybe if you posted this thread 2-5 years from now I would fully agree with you but in the mean time I'm trying to make the best decision based on what I see happening over the next 12 months.

My biggest concern right now is the Dollar being devalued (I'm in no way concerned about a Total Collapse... at this time). I'm sure dollar devaluation is also China's concern which is why they are currently starting to make large purchases of Gold as a "hedge" against dollar devaluation as well as an "alternative" to the dollar being used as their Reserve Currency. As I've said earlier in this thread... "The dollar losing it's 'World Reserve Currency' status is the NEXT big shoe to drop". That's what people should be preparing for right now... it's still too early for a Total Collapse. If that happens... it will come later and in the mean time their is a GREAT opportunity for people to do well in the Gold/Silver market which is still currently way undervalued. It's like telling people to sell their house in 2002 because the housing market is a bubble that is about to burst! While we can see today that yes that statement is true, but I would much rather have sold my house in 2006 when it was more then "Double" the price that it was back in 2002.

I said this in my last post, and I must say it again... it is still TOO SOON to purchase Real Estate/Land (if you don't want to over pay for it). Prices are still too high and are going to keep going down (for at least another year) so I'd much rather wait until they have reached their bottom (or close to it). At the moment... it makes the most sense to purchase GOLD which is on its way up to $5,000+ or even Silver which is on its way up to $100+. Once real estate/land has finally reached it's bottom... then I would say sell your Gold (I'd still keep some of it) and use that money to buy property.

We can go around in circles but my point here is that I think you are getting way too ahead of yourself. We could be having this exact same conversation back in 2006 when Gold was around the $500 range and Real Estate/Land was EXTREMELY over valued and I would still be saying the exact same thing "don't buy Property/Land yet, Gold is still currently the undervalued assist". Flash forward 5 years, Gold has gone up almost 4 TIMES in Value ($500 to $1,900+) while Property has dropped (depending on where you live) 30-68%.

In the mean time... I will say that buying extra food/water to store in your home is for sure the most important 'first' step. It's not going to cost you an arm and a leg and 'It's insurance that you can eat'.


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reply posted on 27-9-2011 @ 11:01 AM by sbctinfantry

France Bans Cash Sales Of Gold & Silver Over $600
September 26, 2011
Prisonplanet.com
By : Paul Joseph Watson

Following the Austrian government’s announcement that it was restricting the sales of precious metals to $20,000 a time, an amount which would purchase just 11 ounces, the French authorities have followed suit with an equally draconian new measure to deter people from buying gold and silver.

A recently amended French law states (translation), “Any transaction on the retail purchase of ferrous and non ferrous (metals) is made by crossed check, bank or postal transfer or by credit card, not the total amount of the transaction may not exceed a ceiling set by decree. Failure to comply with this requirement is punishable by a ticket for the fifth class,” going on to confirm that any amount over €450 euros or $600 US dollars “must be paid by bank transfer”.

“According to independent reports the law was passed to curb the illegal sale of stolen metals like copper, steel, etc. Given the rampant rise in thefts of these metals from telephone poles, construction sites and businesses here in the United States, we can certainly see this as a reasonable assessment for why the French passed this law,” writes Mark Slavo.

“However, the fact that no exception was made for gold and silver simply cannot be ignored. The new law effectively makes it illegal to purchase even a single Troy ounce of gold or around 18 ounces of silver in cash.”

$600 USD isn’t even enough to purchase a half ounce of gold. This guarantees that citizens who are trying to transfer their savings over to precious metals will be known to the authorities, leaving them vulnerable to government confiscation of their gold and silver later on down the line, as happened in 1933 under FDR.

Why are central banks and governments in Europe so eager to make it as difficult as possible for citizens to buy precious metals? It’s largely because unlike every other financial commodity, they don’t have the market completely under their control, and cannot tolerate the idea of people having true power over their own economic destiny.

Secondly it’s because the great foundation stone of the globalists’ plan to create a federalized European superstate and the template for a future world currency – the euro – is crumbling amidst the debt crisis that has engulfed the continent. With eurozone members already preparing to abandon the single currency, the last thing the EU wants to see is European citizens of key member states like France doing the same thing by exchanging their euros for gold and silver.

The bottom line is that the central banks which run the world don’t like the slaves owning anything that they can’t manipulate the value of – it undermines their power monopoly.

In a related development, the London Gold Exchange, an international digital currency trader which has over 100,000 members, announced today that it is “permanently closed for business” due to operational difficulties.


www.prisonplanet.com...


Cash is the only means you can buy anything that can't be as easily tracked, hunted and repossessed or outright stolen.

I'll say it once again, sell your gold now, it's a trap.


reply posted on 27-9-2011 @ 11:03 AM by camaro68ss
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transfer your fiat paper into gold, hurry, fiat paper is a slaves trap!
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