Originally posted by Ariele
Hello everyone,
I raised some questions to authorities in the country I am currently residing (in Europe) about why out of every paycheck I get, 300 Euros are automatically taking out without my permission and God knows where this money goes. Recently I found out it goes to the church (catholic church). It's called "church taxes".

Could you tell me what country that is please? Unless you are living in the Vatican City I think you have been sold a bit of a whopper there, and even then I'm not sure it would be classed as such.

ETA, well, the link on wiki suggests this is true - but a voluntary payment and not exclusive to the Catholic Church (that's what confused me). If it's opt in or opt out based, looks like you can stop payments whenever you like - weird though that your employer wouldn't mention it.

Originally posted by occrest

It is my contention that the Roman Empire never died. It just changed clothes. Emperor Constantine presiding over the first Nicene Council was just the beginning. The list of Holy Roman Emperors is a long one, the Last of which was Frances II, who was also the first Emperor of Austria (1804-1835)

Although I do not dispute that the Vatican stems it's authority from the Holy Roman Empire I just wanted to say a quick word that the "Holy Roman Empire" had nothing to do with the original Roman Empire. It was predominantly Germanic in nature. There is no connection between Constantine (who's family went on to rule the Eastern Roman AKA Byzantine empire) and Charles I (Charlemagne)

as someone before me already noted, it would be interesting to know what country in europe you are speaking of. church-taxes should be voluntary in all of europe. mandatory church-taxes would be in violation to the european humanrights convention..
some countries however use a trick in that they assume you would want to pay church-taxes until you make it explicit that you dont. in order to avoid church taxes you will have to quit the alleged membership to the church.

Originally posted by Ariele
I am currently residing (in Europe) about why out of every paycheck I get, 300 Euros are automatically taking out without my permission and God knows where this money goes.

Quite possibly when you filled in your visa application you told them you were a Catholic and by doing so you inadvertently opted in to making a donation to the Church every month.

Which country are you in?

I dont Believe in them.
but they still rob me!

I agree with the OP,im pretty sure most,if not all of it is true as well.
We have always been a slave and war driven species.
I don't know if its because we have always had the same kind of leaders and dynasties.
Or if its something natural for us.
Either way,we can change it!
We just need to want it!

Also,the part about you paying "Church Tax" stood out to me.
I cant believe they are enforcing you to pay something you don't believe in.
If that happened to me i would be doing something about that.

I may be a slave BUT they Do Not Own Me! ----- Most 99.9% are just slaves, sadly!

Why am I "free"? Simple - They can take my house, my car, my children my food and my body BUT THEY NEVER GET OR CAN TAKE MY OWN SENSE OF "right & wrong" and trying to do what is right and trying to change what is wrong! ----- That not only empowers me but gives me value --- only to my self (and it steals their control over me, and makes them work harder to control others too --- I not only get people thinking BUT many Doing Things Differently to make them free too. And they in turn empower others to unleash the chains.

i.e. I can (and DO LAUGH out loud at them and the many "higher up, more chained slaves that rule (or think they are ruling. I laugh and smile at those who flip their finger at me in anger --- They are the Slaves - not me! I do what I want to do, when I want to do, have no "bosses" and care not if others try ot take from me --- They work so damn hard to TAKE --- it is hilarious to watch them sweat & conive to BEAT ME and Put Me In Line!
They cannot!

I am a slave (they think)
BUT really they ARE SLAVES TO THEIR OWN LITTLE MINDS, BODIES & SOULS. ---- They just don't know it -- At least yet -----smile ------

Starve the slave and you must do the work. Feed the slave and now you must WATCH him cause he can hurt you or take from you. Keep the Slave ignorant (most people prefer ignorance as "Ignorance is Bliss", they think), and an ignorant slave must be told everything to do anything. It is like having a baby --- One's time is immersed in watching and taking care of him in hopes that slave (baby) will eventually become "an asset" - something to be proud of! ----- Educate the slave a little too much - now that slave may find a way to overtake you! --

In short - its a big BUTT - F....! No one wins --- Everyone, including the Slave Owner Loses! ---- No Joy, No Sharing, No Love or Caring! No growth or thrill of becoming greater than human ever has! Dull & Boring to all! So eventually they all just die, wasting their slaves and their own family, friends and selves! Close to Being Dead, while Breathing! ---- That is MOST PEOPLE - The Slaves & Slave Owners!

I am free to learn, discover, grow, laugh, tell anyone to kiss off and LOVE & Cry too.

In short ------ I love LIFE --- Do they? Do you? I win, They lose (in my case, they can't loose me cause they never owned me in the first place! ---- I smile ALL THE TIME -- While others sweat in Despair & Self DOUBT ----

Read my WarmHeartedWorld.wordpress.com, my "Friends of Mankind" on YouTube, my posts on Facebook: Daniel Blecha and/or Easy Rider Motorcycle Training, and my GodMustBeCrying posts on wordpress.

Tell me your thoughts and join my FREEDOM MARCH of AMAZING LIFE!

Very entertaining. Like when I go to the "fiction" section of the library.

Originally posted by undo
so if all that is true, wouldn't the same apply to all governments, everywhere, all nations everywhere, and all uprisings and democratic reforms are just extensions of the same thing? like the people in egypt, south africa, libya, etc, are not really fighting for anything but a fleeting ghost of an idea, an illusion? if this is all just a manufactured illusion, where's the benefit? people with that much power don't need to take other people's money, they can just manufacture a different reality. i'm trying to wrap my head around what you're saying

That's exactly what goes on! It's like peeling an onion. For the uninitiated, you'd need to peel it very fast to see through to the rotten lie in the middle.

These "prisoners" eventually start to see their prison cells and begin to fight for whatever they think is the next best thing. TPTB dangle the carrot of the "next best leader / system etc" while using the stick to initiate the revolution.
The solution is always seen to be the better option by all.
A small victory for the people underfoot and a new set of opportunities for big businesses to move in and re-shuffle the decks under their noses. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book. Set up a conflict and control both sides. Install one false leader after another, after another - ad nauseum.

Thanks to our suspicious minds and sites like this, we can see the onion, the system, the fake acts and legislation that they happily use against us to keep us all locked in our jobs, TV rooms and real prisons.