The Real power of the Vatican!

reply to post by spacekc929


That's your, and that author in the link's opinion, people are allowed to speculate, and form their own conclusions, otherwise how would there be transparency and accountability? You are going on one author's view on it, that author, from my reading of it, is incredibly biased. I'm not saying he is wrong, I'm not saying he is right, but he is biased, that much is clear.

He and you can claim what you want, it doesn't change the fact that the OP is having tax deducted to go to the church,whether or not she likes it. She is trying to come to an understanding as to how and why would the church be able to have this kind of control over her life, if she is not even Catholic.

She's found some documentation that explains it to her, you have found some that proves that the documentation she is working on, is false. None of that however explains away, what is real, and that is that she is paying taxes to an organisation, that she does not believe in and she has no choice in the matter, how or why is this possible?

So instead of trying to get people to believe the author of your link's version by pushing the link, wouldn't it be more productive to find the answer to her original question?

That's just my take on it anyway. The link you provide, doesn't answer her question, it only creates more confusion, because if the author in your link, is correct, then how IS the church able to have this kind of control? I've read your link, I take note thereof, thank you for giving it, but it doesn't answer the orignal question, which I would also like to know the answer to.

What I would also still like to know, is when, where and how South-Africa joined the current fighting league? I'm not getting an answer to that one either apparently . So if it was my post before your last one, that you are questioning on why this thread is continuing, that would be because my question was not regarding the two documents stating opposite views of it. Maybe the thread is continuing, because your link doesn't answer the question posed by the OP? You post your link as if is the answer, but all it is, is a rebuttal of the documentation provided, as a possible reason for the control of the church. It doesn't answer the question.

... I'm repeating myself, I'll stop now

And who owns the vatican?

Originally posted by Gexi13
And who owns the vatican?

The Vatican is a corporation like most nations and big companies.

the "owners" are the stockholders.

TPTB are the stockholders.

no one knows for sure WHO they are except themselves.

any large holding tank with large assets are the likely suspects.
many international corporations and nations all own stock in each other.
the most powerful are the ones with the most valuable resources at any given time in history, all subject to change as events dictate.
...like oil, food resources, industrial populations, etc.

as has been posted before, the 3 major "visible" institutions are:

The Vatican, City of London, and Washington D.C.
all 3 are independent city-states not directly "governed" by any nation.
that's because they are headquarters for the "governing" nations and smaller international corporations !

The Rothschild family controls all the money and holdings for the Vatican directly, and for most nations through the central banking systems worldwide.

The Rothschild "family" is large as is the Vatican "family".

we could ask the same question (on a smaller scale) for General Motors ?

The entire concept grew from the ancient merchant/trade commerce groups.
They have been "in business" for many thousands of years.
Names and methods have changed hundreds of times.

very deep and complicated subject.
in short, the corporations are formed with longevity in mind.
thats how they keep the assets in the controlling families for generations.

some info links:

www.peoplesconference.org...

jubilee2012.50webs.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.bis.org...

reply to post by Gexi13

Originally posted by Gexi13

And who owns the vatican?

it's TPTB...

The secret society of the Ancient Roman Empire that never cease to exist. The Empire went underground to fool the world and more efficiently control world population with its tentacles...

All Roads Lead to Rome

xuenchen is right, all corporations or '' Legions '' work for TPTB, the Vatican is only one of the Roman Legions, even the United States Inc is a coorporation.

reply to post by mick1423


Bingo !

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Bingo ! again....

good one

very interesting thread but it's not a surprise to many of us that are aware of the position of the vatican as the central center for illuminates agents.

Originally posted by JR MacBeth

Originally posted by SirTFiedSkeptic
O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. And for all those who do not have recourse to thee, especially the Masons and all those recommended to thee. -St. Maximilian Kolbe

Why do you think the NWO and Illuminati hate the Vatican? Why do you think the media constantly attack the Vatican and single it out while ignoring the over three hundred cases of Protestant child molestation every year, which is ten times more than the Vatican is accused of? Why do you think they pushed so hard for the second Vatican Council which severely weakened the Church and welcomed communists and freemasons in (it was only after VII that the abuse claims began)? Because it is the only threat to their power that remains on this planet. Destroy the Vatican, and welcome the NWO, or embrace the Vatican and fight the NWO. Your choice.

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Whoa. Must be a pew warmer.

Actually, sounds like a "traditional Catholic" version of history, traditional, like Mel Gibson.

The thing is, you sort of contradict yourself. On the one hand, you say the NWO hates the Vatican, and yet they were apparently the hidden force that pushed for Vatican II, which allowed the Masons even more power, and then say that the Vatican is still a "threat" to them?

How would that work? Are they not infiltrated "completely"? Seems to me like the NWO gets a lot of mileage out of the daft old pope who has spent considerable effort breaking down the walls between Catholic and Protestant, who welcomes all faiths (just as John Paul II did), and who grovels before Zionist power. Oh how appropriate too, seeing as how the pope is German!

"Embrace the Vatican"? This helps fight the NWO how?

Ever hear of the "Good Cop, Bad Cop" routine? The Vatican plays it's part in this game. The NWO is heading in the broad general direction that is desired by TPTB, and the Church gets to "protest" (lamely) every now and again. to make it look good. Are the nations too "unchristian"? Too much abortion? Not enough focus on family? Violence and pornography?

Well of course! And someone, in "authority" needs to pay some lip-service now and again to keep the more conservative sheep from throwing in the towel.

But you are a lobster being boiled slowly, and the end will still be the same.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but your pope is a perfect example of the nonsense I speak of. Here he is, a very gay man, by all appearances, and rumors, and yet, who will we hear the strong anti-homosexual words from? This is the guy who is the top dog, presiding over a system of well-known homosexual seminaries, worldwide, dare I say, "pumping-out" priests, who will want to continue the lifestyle, that eventually turns into sexual abuse of young men.

It's beyond hypocrisy of course, but it helps make my point. My suggestion to the religionist folk who still respect these people, please look beyond their words, look at their actions.

JR

Yes I am. And yes, I am Traditional, although not sedevacantist like Mel Gibson. I do believe the last few popes were Zionists and NWOers, as is Benedict, though much less so than JPII. But I also believe Christ who said to trust him that the gates of Hell would not stand against His church. The pope is a slave to the enemy, but Jesus said "The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever." The synagogue of Satan (Jews) have done much to get Catholics as deceived as the Protestants (who are mostly Zionists too). Up until VII we prayed at every mass for Christ to convert 'the Protestants and the perfidious Jews." I know quite a few priests and bishops, and let me tell you, the Vatican is still strongly anti-NWO even if the pope isn't. There are very faithful people in every country of the world who are silently fighting to keep the Vatican pure of the influence of those who do the works of their father the devil, that Serpent (reptilian).

"You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies." Jesus to the Jewish extortioners.

reply to post by UrAllaBunchofIdiots/Iamanidiot

These pages show that this act abolished some Treasury offices and also directed the deposit of government funds with various Federal Reserve Banks. I fail to detect how Treasury was abolished.

the Federal Reserve is a Private business outside of Congressional control...

if your going to cite a source to derail the thread at least read through it first...

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if the girl in this picture is you, than you are very beautiful and god loves you

reply to post by Ariele


Im living in Ireland and I dont pay 300 euros a month to the church,if I thought I was I would kick up a big fuss, people in Ireland at th moment are on the verge of turning away from the catholic church so Im sure if this came to light then this would be another nail in the catholic faiths coffin

And now the Vatican is calling for a central world bank. Yay NWO gets closer everyday.

www.reuters.com...

I did try to start a thread about it but I'm too new so if someone thinks its worth its own thread can someone start one? Or has it been posted already?

reply to post by khimbar


Use Search to find out, i dont think so. Very interesting article so you might post it with some analysis of yours on relevant forum.

Originally posted by stainlesssteelrat
reply to post by khimbar

 

Use Search to find out, i dont think so. Very interesting article so you might post it with some analysis of yours on relevant forum.

I don't think it has been yet, but I need 20 posts to make a thread. I suppose I could go spam 20 posts up? One nearer already!

reply to post by khimbar


Well, is 8 posts such a hardship when you got thousands threads? Find something what interests you, and reply when you feel for it and have something to say
You can also post thread in Introductions forum.

Originally posted by stainlesssteelrat
reply to post by khimbar

 

Well, is 8 posts such a hardship when you got thousands threads? Find something what interests you, and reply when you feel for it and have something to say

You can also post thread in Introductions forum.

Way ahead of you...

reply to post by khimbar


I just saw this article of yours popping onto one of dotcoms headline. You better hurry

Looking at the Libyan scenario those poor people are just exchanging one tyranny (political) for another (religion) all that blood spilt for nothing, some reports say the Libyans will be under Sharia law, where women are nothing but chattels, same in Egypt same old same old, new name.

The Pope owns the US and England.

The story goes the King of England made a deal with the Pope years ago to gave control of England to the pope, and the king would stay on because the Pope had better things to do than play king.

Read about it here and you decide: www.apfn.net...

This was before the colonists went to America and so by extension, the Pope who legally owned the colonists owns the USA.