The Real power of the Vatican!

Being an American brought up with the notions of separation of church and state, a church tax seems surprising these days. However, after reading the Wikipedia article, it seems quite fair. In all of the countries, you can choose a religion to receive the tax, or you can opt out of the tax by making a simple declaration that you are leaving the respective religion. Usually, if you don't allocate the money to a church, an equivalent amount must be allocated to a university or social service. Of course, if you leave a religion, you also give up any right to burial by them, but that seems reasonable to me. Let the government cremate the body, dispose of the ashes and charge the estate the costs. I personally would not choose to be a member of a church that collected those taxes, but, if you want religious services, someone must pay for them. The only real problem is that of being ostracized by a community or relatives who belong to the church that you have left behind.

reply to post by Ariele

Thanks for posting. I already knew a lot of this, but did have some surprises. Flag and star for you.

O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. And for all those who do not have recourse to thee, especially the Masons and all those recommended to thee. -St. Maximilian Kolbe

Why do you think the NWO and Illuminati hate the Vatican? Why do you think the media constantly attack the Vatican and single it out while ignoring the over three hundred cases of Protestant child molestation every year, which is ten times more than the Vatican is accused of? Why do you think they pushed so hard for the second Vatican Council which severely weakened the Church and welcomed communists and freemasons in (it was only after VII that the abuse claims began)? Because it is the only threat to their power that remains on this planet. Destroy the Vatican, and welcome the NWO, or embrace the Vatican and fight the NWO. Your choice.

Originally posted by Jordan River
I want to throw a question that has yet to be answered.

Rothschild vs Vatican. Who trumps who in world power?

most ats members claim that Rothschild do, but i don't believe in that.

The fact is, The Roths and the Vatican have equal power.

The Roths handle all the Vatican's assets worldwide (land, rents, money, investments, businesses, etc.),
most assets are cloaked as nations and corporations.

The "Triangle" of power today is:

The Vatican city-state provides all the religious controls, mostly for the big 3 Abrahamic beliefs with billions of "subscribers".
The Pope is the installed leadership and central figurehead.
The Vatican being Rome, which never fell.
The Vatican claimed all land and resources west of the Azores in 1493, and never recinded the claim.
They simply "rent" and "lease" to nations and companies doing business as "corporations".
Some scholars interpret the claim "west of" actually going all the around the world and back to Rome !!
Hence the saying "all roads lead to Rome" !
The colonization of the Americas is a good example of a major infiltration and exploitation.

The London city-state provides all the financial power worldwide through the central banks.
The Roths are the "Heads of State" for the financial powers established by the original Vatican exploitations.
Some theories say the Roths came to power by infiltrating and exploiting weak Vatican assets.

The Washington D.C. city-state provides the bulk of the military and industrial requirments.
The U.S. government leadership is installed by The London/Vatican power base.

Washington D.C. came to maturity in the 20th century with the food and fossil fuel requirements and population increases worldwide.
England had the military and industrial assignment prior to that.
The needs for world power required higher volumns of military and industrial output after WW1.

The recent financial "crisis" was/is a plan designed to funnel wealth back to the London based financial district for re-distributions to the main players of TPTB, and that is exactely what has taken place.

George Soros is an agent of the Roths, and probably a distant relative of the family.
His family history gives some indications of this being true.
His financial power being unchecked for the most part indicates the same.

TPTB in London and the Vatican have 1000's of subclaves worldwide including the Orient.
The Roths have many distant family members in high positions in corporations and governments of nations.
"Nations" are simply corporations. The central banks are the main "depositories" for the money funnels.

All these sytems today are the result of 1000's of years of exploitations by the merchant trade groups.
These trade groups have followed the same similarities throughout history (most history written and edited by their scholar groups !).

TPTB are clever.

They install leadership and the "governments" and "corporations" funnel money from the resources to centralized "off shore" holding tanks like banks and real estate and other investments like bonds, etc.

When infrastructures and resources need "upgrading", they send military units in to destroy and then rebuild (all for a "revolving profit" of course !). Some recent examples would be Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya.

New "leaderships" and "governments" are then installed again.

The cycle continues until all resources are depleted .... then TPTB abandon until new resources are generated.

Originally posted by SirTFiedSkeptic
O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. And for all those who do not have recourse to thee, especially the Masons and all those recommended to thee. -St. Maximilian Kolbe

Why do you think the NWO and Illuminati hate the Vatican? Why do you think the media constantly attack the Vatican and single it out while ignoring the over three hundred cases of Protestant child molestation every year, which is ten times more than the Vatican is accused of? Why do you think they pushed so hard for the second Vatican Council which severely weakened the Church and welcomed communists and freemasons in (it was only after VII that the abuse claims began)? Because it is the only threat to their power that remains on this planet. Destroy the Vatican, and welcome the NWO, or embrace the Vatican and fight the NWO. Your choice.

edit on 23-8-2011 by SirTFiedSkeptic because: wwd

edit on 23-8-2011 by SirTFiedSkeptic because: s

Well stated.

here is a charming little tid bit regarding the Vatican via wikileaks

IN DEVELOPING U.S. POLICY VIS-A-VIS THIS UNIQUE ENTITY, POLICYMAKERS SHOULD THINK OF THE HOLY SEE AS SIMILAR TO A TRADITIONAL NATION-STATE, WITH A VARIETY OF FACTORS INFORMING ITS FOREIGN POLICY.

THE MOST IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS IN ITS FOREIGN POLICY DECISION MAKING INCLUDE: -- RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES/HUMANITARIAN CONCERNS: THE VATICAN STRIVES TO TRANSLATE ITS RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AND ITS HUMANITARIAN CONCERNS INTO CONCRETE POLICIES. CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 04 VATICA 03507 01 OF 04 031719Z FOREIGN POLICY INITIATIVES BASED ON THESE PRINCIPLES INCLUDE: SUPPORT FOR THIRD WORLD DEVELOPMENT AND DEBT RELIEF FOR POORER COUNTRIES, OPPOSITION TO CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, OPPOSITION TO ABORTION AND CONTRACEPTION, AND OPPOSITION (ON HUMANITARIAN GROUNDS) TO EMBARGOES; --

SELF-INTEREST: THE HOLY SEE SEEKS TO PROTECT CATHOLICS AROUND THE WORLD, ITS OWN POSITION OF INFLUENCE, AND ITS VAST WEALTH. THE VATICAN’S SUPPORT OF SADDAM HUSSEIN RESULTS FROM ITS DESIRE TO PROTECT 600,000 IRAQI CATHOLICS FROM ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM; ITS REFUSAL TO PUBLICLY CRITICIZE CROAT NATIONALIST CLERGY IN BOSNIA STEMS IN PART FROM THE CROAT CHURCH’S STAUNCH DEFENSE OF THE FAITH DURING THE COLD WAR; -- HISTORY/TRADITION: RELATIONS BETWEEN THE HOLY SEE AND SPAIN, PORTUGAL, AND OTHER LATIN COUNTRIES GO BACK OVER 500 YEARS. THE VATICAN’S HISTORICAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THESE COUNTRIES FREQUENTLY DEMANDS AN ACTIVE FOREIGN POLICY ROLE;

-- PROSELYTISM: THE VATICAN KNOWS THAT IT MUST CONFIDENTIAL

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Wow.. well explain my friend,

Rome's new Triumvirate: City of London + City of Vatican + City of columbia are the 3 independant states within states wich composes the most powerful Legions of the secret Roman Empire. The first is financial control over earth economy, the second is religion control over the earth and the third one is military control over the earth.

looks to me to be another case of " lets lay down a bunch of trash and get them to call it a banquette"...this movement I believe has roots in the muslim community. They will convince any american that their country is very illegit. and too young to be in control of anything. I have heard their case many times. My opinion is if they talk bad about their country thy loose their heads. So they just bash everybody elses. You get some weak minded college students to follow the movement,,,that turns into a flash-mob that overthrows a country. Then what, a country without a King and no truth left....then what....a bunch of people screaming we want change...and the what...just another land without a king and no truth at all

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Destroy the Vatican and learn to speak Arab......the oldest battle of the modern era

Originally posted by Ariele
Hello everyone,
I raised some questions to authorities in the country I am currently residing (in Europe) about why out of every paycheck I get, 300 Euros are automatically taking out without my permission and God knows where this money goes. Recently I found out it goes to the church (catholic church). It's called "church taxes". Ok, but..what if I don't believe, and never go to the catholic church? I was given an answer, that when I have kids - my kids won't be able to attend just any kindergarten, school or university, because it all belongs to the catholic church, and if i die and want to be buried - I won't be able, because the cemetaries are also owned by Vatican. Wow. i had to investigate that!
Anyway, I don't have any choice about those 300 euros..they still go out of my account straight to catholic church every month..damn it.
Here is what I found in my resource. I am not quite sure if anyone has posted already the fallowing, so forgive me if it's posted twice.
Share your thoughts and experiences!
Peace and Love to all



I do not know if this is true.

1. The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

2. The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)

3. The U.S. Has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)

4. The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg.113, 22 U.S.C. 285-288)

5. The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. No more reorganizations. After over 200 years of operating under bankruptcy its finally over. (Executive Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison.18 U.S.C. 914

6. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the "US Government" held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

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Actually everything that Ariele writes is factual and real! the first time I found out about these truths I was floored
and had to do some additional research to confirm these facts. Though they are somewhat hard to swallow especially for those of us in denial about what kind of world we live in! Until the people of this world stand up against unfair taxation without any representation this will continue to be the trend until our children are homeless on the street! Welcome to a fate worse then any Orwell concieved because at least those people knew they were being oppressed and we are slaves to a private conglomerate of banks and bankers who now have more combined worth then all the wealth of all nations combined!

Hello all! As my first thread here I can't wait to dwell into the mysteries of the Vatican which is the real power in this new world order. After reading this thread I must agree that we live in a type of matrix where the profane graze and the ELders rule. This world runs on two systems. Kind of like, screwing or getting screwed. Sadly the vast majority of us live in the latter. I think it went something like this. Ptlomic bloodlines steeped in the Babalyonian faith of Nimrod the first "god" king. Along with his whore wife (sorry madam) Semirams(Statue of Liberty) who wished a one world order. Who controls the eyes, controls the mind!
The Vatican was seized by the Jesuits and the black pope. Ignatius Loyola created the army of the mind. The Jesuits are the rulers of this earth. Masters of the mind these men play all angles as long as the ends justifies the means. Which is the death of Common Law. This has been the battle since Martin Luther told the papal bloodlines where to go back in 1534ish. Common Law vs Canon Law is the stage. Back to the dark ages where the popes word is law is the plan. Then those families that control the Vatican, control the world. This world is run on systems of thought, sadly humanity is losing order because we know no better. Order out of chaos is the cry of our masters. Man is a grazing animal with no real thought. What he thinks, we tell him. Sadly that's the reality. Read up on the maxims of the jesuit order and the 4th blood oath taken after 33 years of service. All secret socieities bow to the black pope in the age of two black popes.(first time ever) Evil is afoot in the near future. Not like it's not working now. The world is going fell pain soon. Much more then today heartache. This is just the beginning to a painful NWO. In closing if I may add a saying I read long ago which applies to exactly what's going on today. "What is black is white, and what is white is black." Ignatius Loyola. Good luck all in your quest to find the whys in life. Ask why to everything you see and hear! Also do your research and know how to argue your point. Once you know your foe, you know the agenda. Life is less worrisome, yet more because others are unaware of the true reality. So here I am tell you all and now you know. Happy hunting all!

what ever you do do not have faith in the church. any church that say youmust give to them in order to get to heaven are only lying to you. most religons are not telling you the true word of god. they don't want you leave them and start praying on your own,which you should start doing. the has no place collecting taxes for the government. it's just an plot to strengthen the nwo. this may sound crazy,but stop and think about it. the vatican help nazis escape during world war 2 . there are alot of things the church don't want you to know. be smart stay home and pray and keep your money in your pocket. it's a scam.

Im sorry man that sucks. but i mean really you cant send your kids to school unless you pay that tax. They own the school, the grave yard, I bet they have people in the goverments of other nations.

Originally posted by SirTFiedSkeptic
O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. And for all those who do not have recourse to thee, especially the Masons and all those recommended to thee. -St. Maximilian Kolbe

Why do you think the NWO and Illuminati hate the Vatican? Why do you think the media constantly attack the Vatican and single it out while ignoring the over three hundred cases of Protestant child molestation every year, which is ten times more than the Vatican is accused of? Why do you think they pushed so hard for the second Vatican Council which severely weakened the Church and welcomed communists and freemasons in (it was only after VII that the abuse claims began)? Because it is the only threat to their power that remains on this planet. Destroy the Vatican, and welcome the NWO, or embrace the Vatican and fight the NWO. Your choice.

edit on 23-8-2011 by SirTFiedSkeptic because: wwd

edit on 23-8-2011 by SirTFiedSkeptic because: s

Whoa. Must be a pew warmer.

Actually, sounds like a "traditional Catholic" version of history, traditional, like Mel Gibson.

The thing is, you sort of contradict yourself. On the one hand, you say the NWO hates the Vatican, and yet they were apparently the hidden force that pushed for Vatican II, which allowed the Masons even more power, and then say that the Vatican is still a "threat" to them?

How would that work? Are they not infiltrated "completely"? Seems to me like the NWO gets a lot of mileage out of the daft old pope who has spent considerable effort breaking down the walls between Catholic and Protestant, who welcomes all faiths (just as John Paul II did), and who grovels before Zionist power. Oh how appropriate too, seeing as how the pope is German!

"Embrace the Vatican"? This helps fight the NWO how?

Ever hear of the "Good Cop, Bad Cop" routine? The Vatican plays it's part in this game. The NWO is heading in the broad general direction that is desired by TPTB, and the Church gets to "protest" (lamely) every now and again. to make it look good. Are the nations too "unchristian"? Too much abortion? Not enough focus on family? Violence and pornography?

Well of course! And someone, in "authority" needs to pay some lip-service now and again to keep the more conservative sheep from throwing in the towel.

But you are a lobster being boiled slowly, and the end will still be the same.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but your pope is a perfect example of the nonsense I speak of. Here he is, a very gay man, by all appearances, and rumors, and yet, who will we hear the strong anti-homosexual words from? This is the guy who is the top dog, presiding over a system of well-known homosexual seminaries, worldwide, dare I say, "pumping-out" priests, who will want to continue the lifestyle, that eventually turns into sexual abuse of young men.

It's beyond hypocrisy of course, but it helps make my point. My suggestion to the religionist folk who still respect these people, please look beyond their words, look at their actions.

JR

I personally am not a religious person and feel that any religious institution has no right to mine or anyone else's money without their permission. I am not going to pay out from my own bank account to support the final legs of a crumbling institution.

Dissappointing the OP has chosen not to reply to any questions.

Kinda casts doubts over what was stated.

Originally posted by Ariele
Hello everyone,
I raised some questions to authorities in the country I am currently residing (in Europe) about why out of every paycheck I get, 300 Euros are automatically taking out without my permission and God knows where this money goes. Recently I found out it goes to the church (catholic church). It's called "church taxes". Ok, but..what if I don't believe, and never go to the catholic church? I was given an answer, that when I have kids - my kids won't be able to attend just any kindergarten, school or university, because it all belongs to the catholic church, and if i die and want to be buried - I won't be able, because the cemetaries are also owned by Vatican. Wow. i had to investigate that!
Anyway, I don't have any choice about those 300 euros..they still go out of my account straight to catholic church every month..damn it.
Here is what I found in my resource. I am not quite sure if anyone has posted already the fallowing, so forgive me if it's posted twice.
Share your thoughts and experiences!
Peace and Love to all



I do not know if this is true.

Apparently, its not. I think you need to read this :
gross errors



Ro

reply to post by CapnSnazz


I'm not pro-Vatican, but your ex-Bishop video is likely just more disinfo.

Supposed Guatemalan (ex-Bishop) Gerard Bouffard is probably a Jewish CIA asset. He admits to being a Mason, and even claims to be "37th degree" (red flags anyone?), is a radically pro-USA flag-waver, with a French accent. Anymore red flags??

He is radically pro-zionist, and only gets away with it because he went under US protestant-style judeo-christian cloak, and many of them support Israel of course (as contradictory as it may be).

He apparently got cancer, so people tend to forget his multiple-wives when he was in Africa, and makes plenty of money riding the coat-tails of the famous (mostly debunked) Alberto Rivera story, which inconveniently goes right back to arch-beast Cardinal Bea. The problem is, Bea was a genuine high-ranking Mason.

So, you get stories, and in the middle of all of them, are Masons in this case. The only question left is who is in control. Are the Masons controlled by "Jesuits", or have Masons infiltrated to such a point where the point would be moot anyway?

And why are we listening to these people's ridiculous tales again??

JR

reply to post by undo


When did South Africa join the fighting league?

Did I miss something

You guys, seriously. Get a grip. This has been posted a bunch on this thread but yet the thread continues:

home.hiwaay.net... = proof that that list is a load of crap.



Really, what the heck.