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I was talking about the Messiah prophecy in Daniel, concerning the time determined for the attempt at reconstituting the old kingdom of Judea, after the Babylonian exile.
Let me brutally assault your preterist theory with the facts. John describes a future event. He wrote Revelation 25-26 years after the destruction of the temple. John was imprisoned on Patmos during the reign of Domitian, and was released upon his death in 96 A.D.
Domitian wasn't even ruling Rome in 70 A.D. He began his rule in 81 A.D.
I'm not going to study cult theology on some web pages when I have it right here, with your posts. I am just naming your cult, myself. Whatever you say, is your cult's handbook, since you follow it to the letter.
The "Land of God" cult. That's a new one. Is there any information on that cult somewhere?In Joel Christ calls Israel His land, and will judge the nations who divide it. Can you please provide Biblical reference where God vacated the Abrahamic land covenant? Please show us.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I was talking about the Messiah prophecy in Daniel, concerning the time determined for the attempt at reconstituting the old kingdom of Judea, after the Babylonian exile.
Let me brutally assault your preterist theory with the facts. John describes a future event. He wrote Revelation 25-26 years after the destruction of the temple. John was imprisoned on Patmos during the reign of Domitian, and was released upon his death in 96 A.D.
Domitian wasn't even ruling Rome in 70 A.D. He began his rule in 81 A.D.
Revelation has to do with the final judgement of the whole world.
I would only be preterist in regards to Daniel, and not of NT prophecy.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I'm not going to study cult theology on some web pages when I have it right here, with your posts. I am just naming your cult, myself. Whatever you say, is your cult's handbook, since you follow it to the letter.
The "Land of God" cult. That's a new one. Is there any information on that cult somewhere?In Joel Christ calls Israel His land, and will judge the nations who divide it. Can you please provide Biblical reference where God vacated the Abrahamic land covenant? Please show us.
How do you know Christ is speaking in Joel? Because it looks similar to what Jesus said?
It is two completely different things. Jesus was talking about people who did not behave well towards others, not about land boundaries.
Abraham was in a place.
Can you provide Biblical evidence that God cancelled His everlasting land covenant with Abraham and his natural seed?
"Question: "What is the Abrahamic Covenant?"
Answer: A covenant is an agreement between two parties. There are two types of covenants: conditional and unconditional. A conditional or bilateral covenant is an agreement that is binding on both parties for its fulfillment. Both parties agree to fulfill certain conditions. If either party fails to meet their responsibilities, the covenant is broken and neither party has to fulfill the expectations of the covenant. An unconditional or unilateral covenant is an agreement between two parties, but only one of the two parties has to do something. Nothing is required of the other party.
The Abrahamic Covenant is an unconditional covenant. God made promises to Abraham that required nothing of Abraham. Genesis 15:18-21 describes a part of the Abrahamic Covenant, specifically dealing with the dimensions of the land God promised to Abraham and his descendants.
You are a racist.
Can you provide Biblical evidence that God cancelled His everlasting land covenant with Abraham and his natural seed?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
You are a racist.
Can you provide Biblical evidence that God cancelled His everlasting land covenant with Abraham and his natural seed?
Originally posted by Cor Leonis
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
I just posted on another one of your threads and was under the impression that you were spot on with truth. However, I believe you have wrongly divided the Word of truth regarding the "Gathering Together" of the Body of Christ. No, the English word "rapture" is not found in the King James, but then again neither is the word, "trinity" and many other words and phrases that are used to describe truth.
I believe you need to rethink this issue, and don't let any preconcieved beliefs or ideas sway you. We will be saved from the wrath to come. "Comfort one another with these words." (1 Thessalonians 4:18)
There would be no comfort or peace in knowing that we would have to go through the wrath to come. Jesus died for us to save us, not punish us. He took our punishment upon himself. God loves us and so does His Son.
"Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2 Timothy 2:15)
I'm sorry, but i havent read anywhere in the bible in the new testament stating we will be spirited away before God's ultimate wrath.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
I'm sorry, but i havent read anywhere in the bible in the new testament stating we will be spirited away before God's ultimate wrath.
How can you say that after reading Revelation? In chapter 1 Jesus says the "candlesticks" are the church. And in chapter 4 when Christ begins to open the seals of the scroll the candlesticks are in heaven watching and worshiping Him from the mezzanine. In fact, the ONLY church promised it will be sent through the Great Tribulation is the church at Thyatira which symbolizes the Medieval church. (Catholicism)
The Christians/saints that the beast will trample on and overcome are believers who will come to Christ after the rapture. I imagine after the rapture of millions of people there will be a mass movement of the unconverted to accept Christ. Including the Jews, that one event will fulfill the prophecy that an undesired nation will provoke the Jews to jealousy.
There is a difference between the church and saints. All church members are saints, but not all saints are church members. "Saints" was even a qualifying term used for people of God before the church was born at Pentecost.