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For Christ's sake, stop blaming Obama for everything under the sun!

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posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by jhn7537
Lets bring back Bill Clinton for a 3rd term, at least you know we would have a balanced budget again....


So we can bomb more countries?

No thanks lol




posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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Yeah, great article. It really shows how it's always Republicans who are called out as hypocrites. Forget the fact Democrats and liberals have done a 180 on all the positions they took when Bush was president. Right, its Republicans who are hypocrite.s Give me a break!



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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So let me get a measure of your intelligence:

Does the President of the United States have the power to implement every policy he want, exactly as he want?



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by jhn7537
Lets bring back Bill Clinton for a 3rd term, at least you know we would have a balanced budget again....


He didn't. That's a left wing myth. In fact, he left Bush with 2 bubbles (housing and tech) that burst and caused the economy to implode. I don't recall any of you or the media excusing him by blaming Clinton.



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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OP, what IS Obama responsible for?

Just wondering.
Green fees?
The Ice Sculpture for the White House parties?
Telepromptor maintenance?



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Well then, using your own standards, which I agree with, we must accept the premise that the two major wars, Iraq and Afganistan, as well as 9/11, were inherited by George Bush from Bill Clinton. Also include the DotCom bubble into that as well. I can personally tell you that jobs in 2002 were not that much easier to come by for college grads, because from 2002-2005 I was doing landscaping (a job I shouldn't have done because it's beneath me as an American citizen....or so I'm told by many leftists).

We elect Presidents to lead. Blaming those that came before you is not leading, but that is exactly what Obama has been doing. Don't tell me it's not your fault and point fingers backwards, tell me what you're doing to fix it and point your finger forwards. I fear the current generation's worst weakness is their knowledge of what a leader really is, or isn't, because we haven't had a decent leader in their lifetimes. But, like you say, Presidents inherit the previous administrations results. But seriously, you must ask yourself, does Obama give you confidence? Does his current policy of blame give you hope that the future will be brighter? Do you think he is going to provide a decent legacy for the next President? I think he is leaving hyperinflation as his legacy.

Personally, I don't blame Clinton, Bush, or Obama. I'm taking a cue from Obama's playbook, and I'm blaming Snowflake.
edit on 22-8-2011 by GenerationGap because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by SeventhSeal

Originally posted by Blaine91555
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Anyway, my problems with Obama is his complete inability to lead Congress


edit on 8/22/2011 by Blaine91555 because: (no reason given)


Bit difficult when you have Congress ran by children who tan too much.


Lest we forget, as they would like us too, Obama and the DNC had complete control of the US Government for two years and could have done anything they wanted. Don't tell anyone that though. It's a secret.



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Gannicus

Originally posted by jhn7537
Lets bring back Bill Clinton for a 3rd term, at least you know we would have a balanced budget again....


He didn't. That's a left wing myth. In fact, he left Bush with 2 bubbles (housing and tech) that burst and caused the economy to implode. I don't recall any of you or the media excusing him by blaming Clinton.


How was the housing bubble Clinton's fault? Please explain this for me, I'd love to hear what you have to say.... I never knew that Clinton was responsible for the Subprime mortgage crisis that we felt in the mid to late 2000's......And its not a myth, Clinton had a balanced budget and was paying off the debt during his term in office, but I also must add that nothing positive would of been done without the cooperation of Congress...
edit on 22-8-2011 by jhn7537 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by PSYCORE
 


So let me get a measure of your intelligence:

Does the President of the United States have the power to implement every policy he want, exactly as he want?


Ohhh I love a trick question, especially if it has a hint of a bitter personal attack.

"The president is head of America’s executive; Congress heads America's legislative and the Supreme Court, America's judiciary. These three parts of the government, make up the federal structure of politics in America.

Usually the only two elected members of the Executive are the president and the vice-president. The president is also commander-in-chief of the armed forces - a position he takes immediately on taking the oath of office.

The president does not govern by himself."The president of America is not the government of the US." (Bowles) The government of America is by co-operation and the theory is that the executive, legislative and judiciary should work together in harmony to formulate policy.

The president has to seek co-operation but he also has to be seen to be leading the nation. This is one of the great ironies of being ‘the most powerful man in the world’. As the leader of his nation he has to be seen to lead yet he is frequently engaged in negotiations etc. (either personally or by proxy) with politicians based in the Capitol. Instances do exist where this co-operation has broken down but it is rare and it is usual for all three partners in government to work together as anything else discredits the whole system. In the past, when a breakdown has occurred, Congress has received the blame thus giving the president an edge over it as an institution.

For normal day-to-day purposes the president has to accept that senators and representatives have their own legitimate power bases and these have to be recognised."
www.historylearningsite.co.uk...

So to answer your trick question:
"Does the President of the United States have the power to implement every policy he want, exactly as he want?"

The answer is Yes, if he is perfect! He will be able to create a policy infallible by others and negotiate it through congress.

However Obama is not perfect and hence why people are angry.

*Yawn*

edit on 22-8-2011 by PSYCORE because: I didn't change anything, I just like editing because my post doesn't look complete without the edit message at the bottom of the post. It gives me a sense of purpose to fully understand the edit button, that one day I might fully harness its greatness and bask in the glory of enlightment.

edit on 22-8-2011 by PSYCORE because: (no reason given)

edit on 22-8-2011 by PSYCORE because: Actually, I failed to quote a site... hence my edit above with "no reason given"....



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:45 PM
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WOW!!! You didn't just plagiarize that entire post from this site did you?

www.historylearningsite.co.uk...



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by jhn7537
How was the housing bubble Clinton's fault?


Are you serious? It was Clinton's and Democrat's policies of getting everyone in to a home that caused the bubble. They forced banks to give out loans to people who couldn't afford it in the first place. Bush AND Republicans warned about it and were dismissed by the Democrats.




Clinton also left Bush with a war against terrorists. 9/11 was a pretty big hit to the economy, which was already in recession when Clinton left.


I never knew that Clinton was responsible for the Subprime mortgage crisis that we felt in the mid to late 2000's


Again, really? Maybe you shouldn't be commenting much on this subject of blame then, since its pretty clear you don't have a clue what you're talking about. What are you, 16 years old?


......And its not a myth, Clinton had a balanced budget and was paying off the debt during his term in office...


It is a myth. The books were cooked in a way to make it look like he balanced the budget.

www.craigsteiner.us...

The claim is generally made that Clinton had a surplus of $69 billion in FY1998, $123 billion in FY1999 and $230 billion in FY2000 . In that same link, Clinton claimed that the national debt had been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years, presumably FY1998, FY1999, and FY2000--though, interestingly, $360 billion is not the sum of the alleged surpluses of the three years in question ($69B + $123B + $230B = $422B, not $360B).

While not defending the increase of the federal debt under President Bush, it's curious to see Clinton's record promoted as having generated a surplus. It never happened. There was never a surplus and the facts support that position. In fact, far from a $360 billion reduction in the national debt in FY1998-FY2000, there was an increase of $281 billion.

Verifying this is as simple as accessing the U.S. Treasury (see note about this link below) website where the national debt is updated daily and a history of the debt since January 1993 can be obtained. Considering the government's fiscal year ends on the last day of September each year, and considering Clinton's budget proposal in 1993 took effect in October 1993 and concluded September 1994 (FY1994), here's the national debt at the end of each year of Clinton Budgets:



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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Sorry I am new to this posting business, normally I would be at home, whacking off to lady gaga...
Thanks for the heads up.



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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I agree, while Obama bashing doesn't solve anything it is myotpic fun. We cannot forget all the other little frogs in the pond that are allowing the spend to happen. Would be nice to see the spend graph you posted using presidental names replace with senate and congressional make and dominace at the time, i.e. Reagan years was is predominately a republican senate and congress or democratic? Anyways - good post. Go Ron Paul! and atleast 50% new congress and senate. Ted Nugent for speaker of the house!



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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To the OP,

You start a thread telling people to stop blaming Obama for everything....
Than you begin your post by instead showing how George Bush should be blamed for everything were in today...

Maybe its time to look the other way and see that its a two way road and your statements hypocritical. Additionally, you keep saying the wars are tolling up on Bush's tab. Actually, since the changed of the administration in 2008 Obama has done nothing to stop the wars so in my mind when the administration changed and he continued the wars, than their now his responsibility. He did get elected knowing they would be his responsibility right? (And said he would stop them)

Overall, I find your post very disinformation and hypocritical. Get your facts straight and expand your intellectual capacity.



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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Although It has nothing to do with me being in the UK, to be fare... Obama did inherit the mess off the back of a Bush(Republican Recession) term... That also includes foriegn policy screw-ups too.
Obviously he wasn't the man for such a big job. Prestige over Substance.

To add... It would be like giving John Magor Primeministership in WW2..... Not a good outcome.
edit on 22-8-2011 by DreamerOracle because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by DreamerOracle
Although It has nothing to do with me being in the UK, to be fare... Obama did inherit the mess off the back of a Bush(Republican Recession) term... That also includes foriegn policy screw-ups too.
Obviously he wasn't the man for such a big job. Prestige over Substance.


Every single president inherits a # sandwich. Bush inherited 2 bubbles, a recession and a war with Islamic radicals. Yet, I never hear folks like you excuse Bush by blaming Clinton. Nixon inherited the Vietnam war, yet as a kid growing up I always got the impression he started it. I wonder why that was?

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posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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I'll agree that the Clinton administration is partly to blame, but they aren't the only reason for the housing crisis we are seeing today....To have a situation develop like we are seeing today, you have to have multiple parties screw up on multiple levels, this was definitely a joint F-up



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by Gannicus
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Yeah, great article. It really shows how it's always Republicans who are called out as hypocrites. Forget the fact Democrats and liberals have done a 180 on all the positions they took when Bush was president. Right, its Republicans who are hypocrite.s Give me a break!


I am not happy with the President at all and no liberals and democrats are.
Liberals and Democrats HAVE NOT done a 180, however the President has.

This is why people are talking of running a Democrat against him for the nomination.

I doubt they will.

On the other hand don't think you will see Democrats eating their young or throwing each other under the bus no matter how ugly it gets...ahem ...ahem (something there in my throat) ...


I wouldn't call the lack - of fanaticism, calls for impeachment or resorting to violence... LOVE.

I'll admit it. We're Hobbits. And we are having an adventure.
Those darned opponents are too good at what they've been at since the beginnings of KINGS on earth. KEEPING THE POOR and THE RICH from ever having to see each other in public.
We are only slaves and freemen - no match for the upper tier of Royalty, Nobility, Billionaires and the Church. Nothing ever really changes. When there are two sets of rules you can never catch up to the other. You are kind of silly to even try. We need to remember our place....sad but true and...
Our party will fall in line behind this President even though they disagree with him on the war on the tax cuts and on many other issues because the other side will posit a candidate we can never in a million years summon up the good conscience to vote for. Call it an evolutionary flaw but it isn't ALL about the money. We are not built with that same "pull the pennies off the dead mans eyes" gene.

The GOP will back a candidate that doesn't indicate any end to these wars but a promise to use up our own oil reserves to drive down the price of gas. They will also certainly threaten SS, Medicare, and the FED Reserve. They will want to disband workers unions, put caps on insurance claims, and get rid of the Environmental Protection Agency. They will free up areas for more nuclear reactors, they will privatize and build more prisons, free up Alaska and Yellowstone for oil drilling, open areas for fracking for natural gas and they'll blame the cancers and chemical poisonings on pre-existing conditions. Health care will be a luxury only for the rich. Gambling and porn will be DE-regulated, roads privatized and abandoned altogether in poorer neighborhoods...however we will have sports arenas and Marinas to service yachts and airports to nowhere for this one rich guys plane. Meanwhile they'll ban abortions altogether even for rape or incest. They will remove evolution, gym, music, art and science from schools. They will re-introduce religion to politics.

Now if you guys were running Ron Paul...we might deal with a little threat to SS because he has some degree of sanity and BALANCE and forethought concerning most of the rest of it....but well, that is hardly likely.

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posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Time for a history lesson!


“I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am President, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank. “
- Barack Obama Campaign Promise – October 27, 2007




RICK ROLLED

- Nov. 4th, 2008

HAHAHAHAHA!

- 2011



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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So wait, you start a thread bemoaning people from starting "Obama is at fault" threads, and use the blame GW Bush as your basis?


Ok then. I guess.



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