Originally posted by Reprobation
reply to post by Verec
Did you know Leonardo da Vinci was believed to have been gay? Michelangelo? Alexander the Great? Roughly ten percent of the population is gay.
It's just supposition, no historical documents to confirm it. You are either lying about the population of gays or are just plain nescient. In the
2000 Census, of bi-sexual and men who had sex with men, and lesbians, the population was found to be 4.3M or 1.51%. They definitely haven't increased
9 fold. At most, they'd be 2%...not like they reproduce, and many of them are dying off of AIDS and other STD's...which have been disproportionately
edit on 22-8-2011 by Reprobation because: (no reason given)
There are no historical documents saying "Leonardo and his boyfriend..." but with the historical documents we *do* have, it is the best guess of those
who study their history most closely that they were, in fact, gay. Regardless of whether these men in particular were homosexual, people of their time
and even before their time were gay. And that was a 2000 census. How many gay people do you think were honest about their orientation at that time?
Many of these men weren't even out to their closest friends/family, even themselves sometimes. Those who were out probably believed it was NOT the
business of the government who they sleep with. Ten percent is the most widely agreed upon percentage by experts, but this does include men who are
only "somewhat bi," if you will. People are not so strictly gay, straight, or bi.
Most gay people do not have AIDS. We are statistically more likely to be infected by it, but it's not like it's the gay disease. You get it from
unprotected sex with an infected person regardless of gender, even from dirty needles and other sources. Plenty of straight people get AIDS! We don't
reproduce, but I can hardly see why that would be a problem in this overpopulated world. We make fine parents (regardless of your "traditional
definition of a family"), often doing much better than straight families. We have no accidental pregnancies. We often have to fight for our right to
adopt and raise children and you know what? They grow up just fine, with the love of two parents, and they are not more likely to be gay.
And get this: straight people make gay people. We don't grow out of the ground. We aren't indoctrinated. It's just the way we happened to be - a lot
like being left handed. It's different, but there's nothing *wrong* with it unless people make it an issue.
But back to what this topic was originally talking about. This couple really has been screwed by their government. If 19 years together doesn't say
something about their relationship, I don't know what does. The divorce rate is over 50%, and I imagine that many married couples who stick together
aren't even happy about it. But these two are still happily together. This is a problem with DOMA, and I hope this particular case gets enough
attention from the media to pressure Washington to do something about this unfair law. The term "second-class citizen" comes to mind.
We are never going to have everyone be accepting of homosexuality. But the government needs to run not on politician's individual opinions or religion
beliefs, because religion has no place in government. There just needs to be a level of respect and fairness under the law. If the term "marriage" is
too sacred to religious people (who often make a mockery of traditional marriage, themselves), then gay couples should at a minimum be allowed to sign
a legal document binding the two in a legal union granting not some, not most, but ALL of the rights of marriage. Hopefully Bradford Wells and Anthony
John Makk's horrific situation will highlight the injustice in this system. I've signed a petition, not that those ever get anything done. I really
hope Pelosi (evil witch that she is) can do something, anything to help these guys out.
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