We Need More Welfare!!!! We Really Do and here's why..

Seriously here are a few simple reasons why there needs to be MORE welfare..

1. If robots are doing alot of jobs that is technology,,,machines doing the work and man having the freedom to enjoy life, learn, and spend time with family/friends.

2. offshoring of millions of jobs

3. creating busy work jobs is counter productive and further strains natural resources (gas to work, tire wear, etc)

4. for those that work, doesn't competition lower what you get paid? example-- Joe, Bob and Bill are all mechanics and there is only one shop hiring. Chet, the business owner has leverage and can take the lowest bidder as all three guys "have families to feed". Grinning from ear to ear. Chet enjoys being a CEO today his pay is 30 times his avg worker. Chet sure is glad Bob and Bill can't get welfare because then Joe would be the only candidate and would require more money.. Or else Chet misses out on business.. Chet thinks "damn ther goes my 3rd house, yacht, and my kids ticket to the Elite life"-------------this is simple supply and demand

many people who happened to have a chair when the music stopped sit up on their High Horse Pompous butts, saying things like "cut welfare, get a job blah blah".. Do people not think?

Three people fighting over one job??? LIMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!! how low can we (pay) go. Or, let the guy who enjoys working do it for like say $40,000 a year. and Let the other two get welfare at like $25,000 a year.. everyone is happy, sure the two on welfare don't get the mcmansion, wife a Bmw, kid a pony, etc.. but at least they can live comfortably, kids get fed, and society is happy.. The only reason we are led by TPTB to think "socialism hasn't worked for europe" is because the Elites now have the machines and instead of share the pie woth people THEY WANT IT ALL..and have FLOODED the Socialist countries with third worlders in ORDER to collapse the system

You can pay more taxes then. I'm all tapped out by social give-away programs as it is.

I'm 60 years old, should be looking forward to retirement....but I'll be working until I die to float the free-loaders.

NO THANKS!!!!

Des

Firstly, you have drastically oversimplified the issue. Welfare encourages individuals not to work or contribute to society. Those that work are the ones that generate the revenue so the others can "enjoy" sitting on their rumps and doing nothing. Also, Those that are working also deserve to enjoy the fruits of their labors, especially since many of them are making higher salaries because they've planned ahead, worked hard, and taken out student loans to attain degrees. They have their own bills to pay, their own mouths to feed, and their own lives to live. Those who choose not to better themselves will always sit and hold out their hands, expecting their monthly allowance, and are never motivated to do anything.

Time span a little forward, say a generation or two...

All the people who didn't have anything better to do have had multiple children who have been brought up with a mentality that "those who work owe you". Now, there are many many more people holding out heir hands, and still a similar number of people that are working. Proportionately, the workers are gradually being outnumbered by those who drain on the system. Is this starting to sound at all familiar? If not, then maybe you should watch the news or look around outside, because this is what is happening in America today.

Those that have worked and continue to work are more and more strained by those who expect everything to be just handed over, "just because". Those that work, don't like the fact they are being forced to support everyone, and those that don't want to work feel like those that work should give it up simply because they have it. The animosity continues to grow.

Socialism at its best. Personally, I work two jobs, attend school full time working on my second degree, and manage a home by myself. I really don't appreciate having to support people who don't want any better for themselves and have no interest in ever doing anything productive. It's insulting and degrading. We don't need more welfare, we need more people with work ethics.

My suggestion...cut it all off. Let them get hungry, and let their reality tv get cut off. Let their power get turned off, and take away their "free lifestyle" and we'll see a drastic up-tic in activity levels. If we keep paying for everything, we will do nothing but continue to cripple these people socially, economically and otherwise.

reply to post by rebeldog


No we need less gov not more.
If the business owner has his choice of three mechanics and takes the lowest bidder (who is probably the worst of the three) in the old days the other two would start fixing cars out of their own garage.
Today the other two mechanics would be facing so many different violations it's not worth even trying.

Originally posted by rebeldog
The only reason we are led by TPTB to think "socialism hasn't worked for europe" is because the Elites now have the machines and instead of share the pie with people THEY WANT IT ALL..and have FLOODED the Socialist countries with third worlders in ORDER to collapse the system.

I understand where you're coming from. But it rots people morally to make them stay at home and not work. Their work is their contribution, and it's a big part of most people's lives. In a sane society a job would be a right, not something you had to compete for. Taking that right away from us is the real crime. There will always be plenty of things to do and plenty of people willing to do them. In a sane society all able-bodied people who wanted to work could find employment.

We live in a system that has by and large gone criminal. The "social contract" has been abandoned by most countries in favor of borrowing billions from banks to pay corporations for goods and services that enslave and kill people and that the banks make huge profits from. It's criminal. It's like welfare on steroids! And the biggest "welfare" recipients are the criminals who run the corporate system.

In addition, we are dramatizing an ancient space-age culture that most of us once belonged to that was ten times more decadent than anything you see on earth today. Our only hope is to extract ourselves from this dramatization and come up with something that really works.

Some comments on your points.

1. Robots. Ideally, these are not there to free workers to do nothing. They are supposed to free us to do productive things of a less arduous and repetitive variety. Like the arts, or inventing. Robots, however, are a problem. Many of us, long ago, used to have robot bodies. Beings still exist who know how to run machines and could possibly be persuaded to do so. Such beings would have tremendous physical power compared to a normal human. There is also a lot of work being put into ultra-small robots that can spy on people. Dramatization.

2. Offshoring. This is part of the whole criminal manipulation of economies and money. If all workers around the planet lived under similar conditions, there would not be any need for outsourcing unless a particular region became expert at a certain specialty.

3. Busy-work jobs. Criminals can't really work, and in order to appear employed must have jobs where they really don't do anything. Sane people wouldn't stand for this.

4. Lower pay. This is mostly caused by economic pressure on employers. They are wasting too much money paying "protection" to the various criminal groups and so don't have enough left to hire enough people or pay them enough.

My essential argument is that the planet is being starved by a bunch of insane, dramatizing criminals. What we need now is not great ideas on how to "fix the system." What we need is courageous people to step forward and tell what they know about what is really happening and for the rest of us to somehow figure out how to stop cooperating with it. We don't need to punish anyone. That's a criminal attitude. We need to start disagreeing with the criminality.

Who exactly do you think is footing the bill for the two guys getting the$25K?.

The answer: Those of us actually working for a living.

And, instead of gratitude towards those of us footing the bill, the recipients of this charity hate us because they want more and we can no longer afford to provide it.

reply to post by BioStatistic


There is a lot here.

1. "Welfare encourages individuals not to work or contribute to society." If this were the case, why is everyone not on welfare?

2. "Those who choose not to better themselves will always sit and hold out their hands, expecting their monthly allowance, and are never motivated to do anything." This assumes they have a choice to begin with. Some may, granted, and choose not to. Others may have no avenue. Do we let them die as a society because they have nothing to eat or no where to go?

3. "Proportionately, the workers are gradually being outnumbered by those who drain on the system." Are we ants? Those not genetically programmed to work can never broach the divide?

4. "I really don't appreciate having to support people who don't want any better for themselves and have no interest in ever doing anything productive. It's insulting and degrading." Agreed. Who does? What is your solution? I heard a lot of less government, socialism is bad, etc. Who is going to argue that?

I do not expect you to answer for a complex societal dilemma and I apologize if it comes off that way. I do not intend to sound condescending or insulting. It's just I hear a lot of this talk here and elsewhere yet few offer a viable solution other than less government. The vast majority of what you earn and hand over in taxes does not go to taking care of the "non-workers". It is really pennies on the dollar compared to defense contractor welfare or wall street welfare or interest on the debt.

reply to post by rebeldog


i think you make some valid points about the limited amount of paid employment. but there is other means to avail jobs for able-bodied potential workers that have not been approached.

my wife works for a huge corporation, a hotel chain franchisor. there are a lot of employees under their many brand names. they employ a huge amount of people, many making really nice paychecks.

i hear work stories almost every day. i can't tell you how many times i've heard the comment:

-- she doesn't have to work, she's a trust-fund baby and her husband makes good money

-- she only works to keep busy. her husband's family owns one of the largest _______ companies around.

-- he doesn't need to work, his wife is partners in a law practice that makes more money than God

-- he only works to keep from being bored. he inherited a frickin' fortune when his Dad passed on

those are examples of so many comments i have heard. it is a huge company and my wife has worked there a while. i realize there are just so many similar stories, but point being: there are a lot of people that are well-blessed in their lives across America occupying much needed positions while they could be at home enjoying more leisurely pursuits or contributing to society with volunteer work.

another school of thought that needs to be addressed:

we commoners are often referred to as 'the working class'. generation after generation of workers raised by workers, with those values and mentality instilled in us. their is a bred sense of pride & accomplishment born of a job well done and the paycheck that goes along with it. it feels good to be rewarded for ones achievements.

you can read online of the cycle a person goes through when they are removed from the life system they are used to. the end result is not happiness and peace of mind.

on the other end of the spectrum, part of the responsibility of a country that strives to be a world leader is to raise others up to a higher standard. if our society does not actively seek to help raise poverty-stricken people from their plight to a lifestyle where they can find personal pride and self sustain via the fruit of the labor we have not only failed these people, we have relegated them to languish further in despair, depression and the inevitable use of alcohol and substances for escapism.

looking to government rarely results in good or desirable results. we the people need to look in the mirror and make some personal changes to get the ball rolling. it saddens me that so many people are not aware that an important part of religion in peoples life is to teach sharing, caring and looking out for each other. we need to get back to making sure our brothers and sisters of the world have food on their plates and jobs to go to, even if it takes personal sacrifice.

one last thing that affects jobs, welfare and taxes:

i also feel we are very overdue to let common sense prevail and face the issues of parenthood prevention in our country and elsewhere. if everyone is happy that their are children raising themselves, children having babies, babies born to alcoholic or drug addicted adults who cannot even take care of themselves (i can't call them 'parents') etcetera, well then we are right on track. we can just keep ignoring these topics and proceed on course. people that can see what is taking place around them and give a damn need to stand up and curtail what amounts to be wholesale abuse of children. no one wants to live in squalor. no one wants to be hungry. nor do we want uncaring 'parents' with little to no participation in the upbringing of their children. addressing parenthood prevention will also have a direct affect on welfare programs, taxes and the availability (or lack thereof) positions in workplaces.

reply to post by BioStatistic


In the 1950's and before, they used to take 'those' to the park and lynch them from trees at picnics. Lots of photos with smiling whites infront of a dangling corps having released his bowels over their lunch.

Isn't this what you wish you could really say? Well there. I said it for you.

I had $14 to buy groceries for today, Sunday, to last until I get paid Thursday. As I figured out how to get enough food to last me..I thought of the conversation I overheard recently of the lady telling the other lady how much she gets a month in food stamps, around $600 for 5 people. I thought of this as I shopped and thought why do they get so much money, can't the government make them buy frugally like I have to. Give them $300 a month or heck $200.

Originally posted by Destinyone
You can pay more taxes then. I'm all tapped out by social give-away programs as it is.

I'm 60 years old, should be looking forward to retirement....but I'll be working until I die to float the free-loaders.

NO THANKS!!!!

Des

edit on 21-8-2011 by Destinyone because: (no reason given)

You'll be working to support the freeloaders? That's odd. How so?

America doesn't need more robots. We need to create more jobs and keep everything organized. Keep the U.S. flourishing and unions and companies in talks with whatever needs to be handled.

You guys keep referring to those and they, with stereotypical descriptions. Obviously, you are referring to black African Americans, and maybe some Latinos. I hope some were smart enough to take my previous post for the sarcasm drenched sarcasm that it was.
You kinds are turning on people who get a few hundred dollars a month, instead of keeping your anger focused on the devil worshiping masterbators-to-mass genocide with all the really big big big welfare. I guess there are poor powerless evil psychopaths in abundence as well. Thats why there is the Jerry Springer show.

reply to post by sharintexas


I feel for you, since being in the construction industry means I might work some weeks and not others. It's very disheartening to go into the store with 20 or 30 dollars to spend for a weeks worth of groceries. I manage, but it kills me when the person in front of me has a cart full of food I can no longer afford and paying with the food stamp card.

I absolutely believe in helping those in need, but we have built a system here in the US that makes a mockery of that. People like me who could use assistance, even though I would never ask, are penalized for working any at all and owning property, but those folks who have never worked and just have one kid after another have a plethora of programs built just for them.

It's really shameful how good ideals get corrupted like this.

reply to post by Count Chocula

Yes, I am not against helping people in need. When people have no personal responsibility and lay up and have kid after kid they know THEY can't support but know that we, the taxpayer, will give them money for having these kids, well, that is what irritates me to no end.
I cringe when I think of these children in these households where momma is having sex in the house with strange men and gets pregnant time after time. Poor kiddoes. I don't understand how a mother can let her kids be in that "atmosphere". If I was in charge of the social programs I would cut back on money handed out to a person who has kid after kid while on the social programs.
Ahhhhh, it will never change.

reply to post by sharintexas

I cringe when I think of these children in these households where momma is having sex in the house with strange men and gets pregnant time after time. Poor kiddoes. I don't understand how a mother can let her kids be in that "atmosphere".

So you know this beyond a shadow of a doubt for a fact, maybe even a specific individual and their address? It is your responsibility then, to report these conditions to the Department of Children and Family services.

reply to post by simone50m


Ha, everyone knows this goes on, especially the social services department... these women aren't having children by immaculate conception. It is right in their faces at the social services department. They choose to look the other way. Social services sits there with these women in their offices with the kids crawling all over the place and does not say one word to them.

Originally posted by angeldoll

Originally posted by Destinyone
You can pay more taxes then. I'm all tapped out by social give-away programs as it is.

I'm 60 years old, should be looking forward to retirement....but I'll be working until I die to float the free-loaders.

NO THANKS!!!!

Des

edit on 21-8-2011 by Destinyone because: (no reason given)

You wrote:
You'll be working to support the freeloaders? That's odd. How so?


My reply.
I pay taxes....welfare recipients do not pay taxes. Where do you think all that welfare money comes from. Ya think the welfare fairy godmother pulls it out of her azz....NO...it's pulled out of MY pocket.

FACT Tax payers are the SOLE support of free-loaders. There are, each year, fewer and fewer living tax payers to fund all these multi trillion dollar government social give-away programs. Retirement age to collect the social security I paid for out of my pay checks, keeps getting raised. Why you ask...because our stupid blind government has already spent every single cent I paid into my retirement. They need me, and a whole bunch of us to keep working to support the free loaders. Got It?

Des

Wefare...........................

I hear the word and I cringe.

Thier is a time for it I suppose but more no way.

Less is better in this case, but some people really need the help.

THE GOV'T needs to stop just handing this money over to people that don't need it or abuse the system.

They need to be on the people that are on wefare, that can work. Just like the debt collecters are to those that owe.

In there faces with phone calls and letters about getting a job or your gonna lose your check.

I'm sick of paying for others and thier problems. People need to step up and get thier priorities straight.

I PAY AND DEAL WITH MY OWN PROBLEMS AND DON'T ASK FOR HAND OUTS.

How about producing some robots that do nothing but farm and make food for mankind so we can all eat for free.(never going to happen)
Better yet get off your welfare butt and go grow some food yourself.

Hey lets just sit on our butts and complain about that thier are no jobs and corrupt corporations still make billions and pay us peanuts.
Better yet stop buying the garbage you don't need save your money. Open your own business and maybe get a few more people off welfare.

Welfare is a crutch to our society, although it can be a benefit to those who trully need the program. It tends to make people that were once productive to society less productive.

I am with some about the idea of technology doing alot of things we need done. Like our food, clothes, shelter, transprot and so on.....................

But we are no where near this point or will be in the near future from the looks of things.

People need to take care of themsleves and thier loved ones and stop being dependent on other people that are trying to take of themselves and thier loved ones.