Libyan Rebels Advance Into Central Tripoli !!

Why doesn't this surprise me. Alan Duncan faces questions over Libya oil contract after firm he has close links with secures deal.

A government minister was last night facing ‘serious questions’ over claims that an oil company to which he is closely linked was given ‘preferential’ access to Libya during the conflict.

International Development Minister Alan Duncan helped establish a secret ‘Libyan Oil Cell’ in Whitehall which played a vital role in helping to supply fuel to rebel fighters.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Originally posted by AnonymousFem
reply to post by stumason

 

I swear your head is so far up your backside, you cannot even see what this is all about. Continue to listen to the Lies being spouted out by the mainstream media.

Fact: They all were falling over each other to get into Libya and to make sure their Oil Installations were workable.

Fact@ Their mandate is protect the Civilians, which they are not doing, they are going after Gadaffi's Army, by bombing his home town.. If there were there only to protect the civillians why are they not criticising the rebel forces over their, revenge killings?

To say this has noting to do with oil is making you look delusional to say the least.

edit on 26-8-2011 by AnonymousFem because: (no reason given)

I heard the oil in Libya is the highest quality in the world.
- Sweet Crude Oil -
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I also heard Venezuela has the worst. It is very high in sulfur.

Here is an Article for all of those whom have stated in this thread. The War in Libya has nothing to do with oil.

ountries that supported the overthrow of dictator Moammar Gadhafi's regime are likely to get first crack at post-war Libyan oil production, while those that sat on the sidelines are at risk of losing out. "We don't have a problem with Western countries like the Italians, French and U.K. companies. But we may have some political issues with Russia, China andBrazil," Abdeljalil Mayouf, information manager at Libyan rebel oil firm AGOCO, told Reuters.

Western Oil Majors

Also link to thread with regards to it:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

What a sick world we live in and what a sociopath we have for a prime minister. 50,000 Libyans are dead, their paradise turned to rubble and apparently Mr Cameron is proud of all those who took part in this butchery.

Libya: done and dusted
www.guardian.co.uk...



If there's any justice in this world, you are going to burn in hell Mr Cameron.

Oh dear the UK and US Intelligence agencies are going to be embarrassed, as well as the Governments. Files have been found, relating to Rendition taking enemy combatants, to Libya by the CIA, also Files on opponents Of Gaddafi, by MI6. Also the close friendly relationship between the UK and Libya during the Last Labour Government.

Secret files have been found by Human Rights Watch which show the close intelligence relationship between the UK, US and Libya.

Also among the files is evidence that the United States used Libya as a base for its rendition programme - transporting prisoners it believed to be a threat to its national security for further interrogation on foreign soil.

Secret Files

Sunday, September 4, 2011, 10:06 , by AFP
'Islamic but not Islamist' militant heads Libya fighters

www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110904/world/islamic-but-not-islamist-militant-heads-libya-fighters.383240

Head of one of the strongest units that defeated Moamer Kadhafi, Ismail Salabi has indirect links to a group recognised by Al-Qaeda and is a strong critic of Libya's new political leaders.

But he denies being an Islamist and says all he wants is a country of rights, justice and freedom where he can return to his former job as a trader.

The Benghazi commander of the February 17 Battalion is an outspoken critic of the National Transitional Council (NTC) working to rebuild Libya, confident of his power in a set-up that has no regular army or defence ministry.

"It was the revolutionaries who died at the front who liberated Libya, not the members of the NTC who were ministers under Kadhafi, some of whom have only spent a few hours in Libya in months," Salabi, 35, told AFP.

"That's why some seek to portray us as Islamists in an attempt to discredit us," he said.

"Like all Libyans we are Muslims and conservatives," he went on. "Western countries don't know our traditions and customs, so it's easy to instil fear by speaking of Islamists.

"But we are not Islamists."

Dressed in traditional Libyan garb of a white gown and an embroidered waistcoat, he cites French revolutionaries and the Prophet Mohamed in the same breath.

"Since the beginning of the revolution, we have been working with the West," he said. "If we were close to Al-Qaeda that would have been impossible. We want to build a new country, a country of human rights, justice and liberty."

The NTC has sought to quell fears of Al-Qaeda allies within its ranks, expressing support this week for Salabi's opposite number in Tripoli, Abdelhakim Belhaj.

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Originally posted by kindred
What a sick world we live in and what a sociopath we have for a prime minister. 50,000 Libyans are dead, their paradise turned to rubble and apparently Mr Cameron is proud of all those who took part in this butchery.

50,000... Killed mostly by Gaddafi's forces...

That figure does include those who were taken prisoner by Gaddafi as well, who may turn out to be alive.

Italy: Purging Libya ex-officials would be mistake

By FRANCES D'EMILIO, Associated Press

www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ggYnzVVVXufC8oDZuK9inCsXRlxw

CERNOBBIO, Italy (AP) — The West must not repeat the same mistake in Libya as it did in Iraq, Italy's foreign minister said Sunday, warning against a full-scale purging of military officials and bureaucrats from Moammar Gadhafi's authoritarian regime.

"Why destroy all the structure, all the apparatus in Libya like we have done in Iraq, making a big mistake," Franco Frattini told reporters at an economics forum in the Lake Como resort town of Cernobbio. "We shouldn't multiply, we shouldn't double this mistake."

(...)

The council's leadership was also in regular contact early on with officials of Italian energy company Eni SpA, which for decades has had natural gas and oil operations in Libya, Frattini said.

"The rebels in Benghazi immediately understood that Eni would have been a reliable partner" in a post-Gadhafi Libya, Frattini said.

Members of an Eni technical team in Libya are "exploring the fastest way to restore ... the oil and gas production" there," Frattini added.

Eni said last week it is too soon to say when oil production could resume from Libya, but its CEO Paolo Scaroni has set a target date of mid-October for natural gas delivery from its Greenstream pipeline operation, in time for winter use by Italian consumers. Libya is one of Italy's main sources of energy.

reply to post by stumason

50,000... Killed mostly by Gaddafi's forces...

nice little spin and lie but it isnt true 50,000... Killed mostly by NATO Bombs and Rebel Thugs dont make up the number and cliam that 50,000... Killed mostly by Gaddafi's forces.



NATO Bombs killed thousands of civilians during the NATO bombing of Serbia NATO was Targeting civilian targets. and same goes for libya, the western mainstream you so strongly support and love would never report the deaths of civilians by NATO in libya nor those Western Human Right Watch NGOs.

Its pretty sad how your spinning that user own words agaisnt him and you cliam that 50,000... Killed were mostly by Gaddafi's forces? of course you love NATO you would never question on any war crimes they have committed its no wonder why you support the real war criminals let be david cameron, tony bliar or bush and obama.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Stop with the propaganda nonsense. If NATO was truly targeting innocent civilians then there would have been tens of thousand of deaths from such bombings in both Libya and the former Yugoslavia. You will be informing us next that NATO was carpet bombing cities with B-52s! Stop listening to and believing the propaganda churned out during the Yugoslav campaign to justify your anti-NATO stance.

Please don't reply with the 1999 propaganda churned out at the time with NATO deliberately targeting schools, hospitals and old peoples homes. If that was truly the case then there would have been tens of thousands of deaths. You'll be telling me next that the Yugoslav claims of hundreds of NATO combat aircraft and scores of NATO personnel killed was also true?

Collateral damage is a sad consequence of conflict, but to say that is a deliberate attempt to kill civilians is just pure hype based on propaganda. Obviously with your agenda you can't see beyond that fact. The reality is that if the civilian targeting was actually true then there would be whole residential areas of both Belgrade and Tripoli raised to the ground by NATO airstrikes. Also take into consideration that weapons can malfunction and also can be diverted off course by anti-aircraft defences. Take for example cruise missiles. These are relatively slow and can be targeted by AAA. If anti-aircraft defences target a cruise missile heading for a military complex or target in a city then there is no knowing where that diverted warhead will fall.

Please don't attempt to reply with your usual propaganda on the Grdelica bridge incident during 1999 as I see that you have done with other posts. The target was the bridge as can be seen by the F-15Es Weapons Systems Officers video on the strike. The AGM-130 is not designed for moving targets. The train was simply in the wrong location at the wrong time.

Firstly the bridge was a legitimate target in conflict, regardless of the train. Bridges were targeted all over Yugoslavia. The Yugoslavs even attempted to divert their destruction by having civilians demonstrate and hold nightly vigils. The bridges were still struck as they were legitimate targets. The aim points for the AGM-130 were the bridge supports, not the train.

The problem lay in the initial presentation of the data-link video due to the format it was received in. It was presented in BDA format as would have been analysed by screeners. The fact remains that this F-15E could have been anything from fifteen up to forty miles away from the bridge. Open source material from Boeing states that some two-three miles from the target the seeker activates and the feed kicks-in relaying the video data back to the WSO's screen. All that the WSO can see is the target that is locked-up by the AGM-130. The aim points for the AGM-130 were the bridge supports, not the train..

It all depends how the AGM-130s were deployed by the WSO. The AGM-130 is normally employed in an "indirect attack" mode, where the bomb is released at a pre-planned position and then guided to the target using data link information. In the "direct attack" mode, the AGM-130 target detector is locked on the target prior to release and the bomb guides itself to impact. The video/TV data is transmitted by the AXQ-14 datalink to the F-15E's WSO screen.

If the WSO was manually guiding the munition, then some two to three miles from the target the guidance system places the seeker head view into his/her screen and then he/she can guide AGM-130 and lock onto a point on the designated target. If you study the video the first AGM-130's point of aim was the first part of the bridge (looks like he/she was aiming for the first support). The second point of aim for the second AGM-130 was on the other side of the bridge. It all depends on how the weapon was employed and in which mode. Questions arise such as was the first missile manually guided and the other pre-programmed?

The International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia examined all the data and found the attack to have been proportionate. Unfortunate for the loss of life, but deemed not to have been a violation of the rules of conflict.

In Yugoslavia Human Rights Watch investigated the relationship between Yugoslav civilian casualties and the intended targets. As you can see the reality was a huge difference compared to what the Yugoslav Ministry of Information was churning out in 1999.

www.hrw.org...

Similarly in regards to Libya if your version of events was correct then Human Rights Watch and other organisations would be all over it.

TJ

reply to post by tommyjo


You said

(Stop with the propaganda nonsense. If NATO was truly targeting innocent civilians then there would have been tens of thousand of deaths from such bombings in both Libya and the former Yugoslavia. You will be informing us next that NATO was carpet bombing cities with B-52s! Stop listening to and believing the propaganda churned out during the Yugoslav campaign to justify your anti-NATO stance.

Please don't reply with the 1999 propaganda churned out at the time with NATO deliberately targeting schools, hospitals and old peoples homes. If that was truly the case then there would have been tens of thousands of deaths. You'll be telling me next that the Yugoslav claims of hundreds of NATO combat aircraft and scores of NATO personnel killed was also true?)

If that was truly the case then there would have been tens of thousands of deaths

I dare you go to serbia and say that in front off there faces

would have been tens of thousands of deaths

There were thousands of deaths the western mainstream news networks were all on the albanian side inculding the organ harvesting terrorists group KLA in kosovo.

Please don't reply with the 1999 propaganda churned out at the time with NATO deliberately targeting schools,

Its no propaganda freind its the true i dare you to go serbia ask the serbs yourself that is if your willing to take the dare, and yes NATO was deliberately targeting schools,power plants,hospitals,homes,killing familes on a easter hoilday they also were deliberately targeting a chinese embassy just because China was on the side of serbia and was agaisnt the war the bombing was no accident.

It was deliberately targeted to be hit, for 92 Days thousands of serbs lost there lives there homes and there familes, NATO kept targeting civilians on a christian hoilday and you still have no pitty? no respect for those who died in Serbia on those days? every day and night NATO Fighters attacking your country, dont knowing where to run or where to hide from the bombs, and call this propaganda ? i dare you say that to the serbs There in serbia



(The International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia examined all the data and found the attack to have been proportionate. Unfortunate for the loss of life, but deemed not to have been a violation of the rules of conflict.

In Yugoslavia Human Rights Watch investigated the relationship between Yugoslav civilian casualties and the intended targets. As you can see the reality was a huge difference compared to what the Yugoslav Ministry of Information was churning out in 1999. )


The Yugoslavia Human Rights Watch is nothing more then padlap to NATO and america,britan just like The ICC, the ICC is a joke a western creation serving the interests of the western agenda in the balkans.



Today you showed me you have no respect to the serbian who died and who were killed the air raid and that your on the side of NATO.


Its no wonder people like you support the armed thugs the rebels in libya.

reply to post by tommyjo


One more then i dont find links from western NGO such as the hrw as credbile because they were on the side of NATO,Western media, and the KLA organ harvesting terrorists.

Anyone who thinks NATO is spreading peace by bombing Libya with Depleted Uranium, bombing their power, and their water, and setting special forces and mercenaries loose to kill and maim at will, while Al Queda is put in charge and begins slaughtering blacks and taking all the Libyans rights, is insane or a liar.

Here's another article.

www.thenationonlineng.net...

My blood is boiling....

The western world does not care about black Africans. Neither do the black people living in the western world care about them, because they usually follow what the western media says.

Yes, I said it...


Here's another one:

blackstarnews.com...

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Off topic, but I will correct you on your claim that "thousands" of civilians were killed in the 1999 NATO campaign in Kosovo.

Only just over 1,000 Serbian military and Police died (combined with losses to KLA forces as well as NATO). NGO's on the ground after wards, such as Human Rights Watch, could only verify 500 civilian deaths, despite claims being made of thousands.

I know you like to peddle propoganda as fact, but you will not be able to find a single source that can verify anywhere near the amount you claimed.

You also neglect to mention the 10,000 or so Kosovans killed by Serb forces in the run up too and during the NATO intervention.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


The Human rights watch only verify 500 civilians deaths.

The claims that thousands of civilians were killed by NATO bombs is pure sentimental.

The Human rights watch could verity that thousands of Kosovo Albanians were killed by Serbian forces and Special polices. Most Kosovo Albanians were brutalized by Serbian troops and driven from their homes. The KLA crimes are extremely pale compare to the Serbs war crimes in Kosovo.

Why do you see to support the Serbs more huh? Join on their side if you like to join with their disgusting policies.

reply to post by stumason

I know you like to peddle propoganda as fact, but you will not be able to find a single source that can verify anywhere near the amount you claimed.

Oh yes i can find sources for that it seems you act as a spokemen for NATO here on ATS defending there every criminal act as and you here are always countless posting NATO propoganda as a fact.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Originally posted by Paulioetc15
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

The Human rights watch only verify 500 civilians deaths.

The claims that thousands of civilians were killed by NATO bombs is pure sentimental.

The Human rights watch could verity that thousands of Kosovo Albanians were killed by Serbian forces and Special polices. Most Kosovo Albanians were brutalized by Serbian troops and driven from their homes. The KLA crimes are extremely pale compare to the Serbs war crimes in Kosovo.

Why do you see to support the Serbs more huh? Join on their side if you like to join with their disgusting policies.

edit on 5-9-2011 by Paulioetc15 because: (no reason given)

I support the serbs because the KLA are freaking terrorists and organ harvesting monstars the Albanians burned down thousand of churches historcal churches belonging to the serbian people and there nation.

Albanians were brutalized by Serbian troops and driven from their homes. The KLA crimes are extremely pale compare to the Serbs war crimes in Kosovo.

Serbian,Romas were brutalized by the Albanians they were driven from their homes and there organs harvested

The Human rights watch only verify 500 civilians deaths.

Human Rights watch did a little cover up for the NATO SWINES and were always a cover up for NATO and there wars.

Join on their side if you like to join with their disgusting policies.

I could say the same thing about the Albanian disgusting policies

just like how they are worshiping bill clinton and tony blair, and how disgusting the Albanians are now running kosovo, they dont even clean there own garbage.

edit on 5-9-2011 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)

So you admit you support Serbs killing of ethic Albanians, men, women and kids alike? Where are you from? Are you a Serb?

reply to post by Paulioetc15


I should be asking you that so you admit you support the ethic Albanians killings of serbs, and romas men, women, and kids alike? and that you admit that you support the Albanian organ harvesting monstars? well you showed me that you have no respect to the serbian people.