Believe everything your governemtns throws to you.

So the stolen technology was not faulty? or the stealth technology was neither stolen or faulty?

I'm trying to figure (as best we can) how accurate Russian stealth technology reports are. I heard an interview this morning, with this Reed fellow, and he included Soviet stealth technology as having been affected by the U.S. fed, trojan horse filled, technology.

I think the Russians can make stealth planes but just the whole cost of doing it is keeping them from producing any stealth planes. At least I think it would be one of the problems. The Berkut SU-47 design had a rotory internal missile system thats no doubt for stealth.

Though I am not sure what level stealth they can make F-117,F-22,B-2

I have heard stories of plamsa stealth but have never seen any proof of it.

pyotr ufimtsov invented the rcs reduction algorithms, and the program with which you made f117 f22 etc.., guess where he is working now? lokcheed martin.

Yeah its pretty amazing the orignal ideal how to design planes shapes with stealth in mind came from a Russian mathematician. And that his work was not even classified.

The program they made was Echo 1 from his work I think

As far as I know it, the Russians haven't made a "stealth" plane yet.

Originally posted by Kozzy
As far as I know it, the Russians haven't made a "stealth" plane yet.

pyotr ufimtsov invented rcs calculation algorithms, su-34, mig-1.44, su-47,tu-160,the new mig and su upgrades all incorporate lo technology.

Technically the RCS formula doesn't mean the russian mathematician invented stealth. All he did was give us a way to measure stealth no a way to make it get it through your heads! People still think he invented stealth

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Technically the RCS formula doesn't mean the russian mathematician invented stealth. All he did was give us a way to measure stealth no a way to make it get it through your heads! People still think he invented stealth

without rcs reduction method you wouldnt have any f117 or f22/b2, , maybe had but only ram coatings

Originally posted by Hocico
pyotr ufimtsov invented the rcs reduction algorithms, and the program with which you made f117 f22 etc.., guess where he is working now? lokcheed martin.

Actually this is kind of a stealth myth. Denys Overholser developed a program called Echo I that calculated the RCS of flat panels. However, it had a large amount of error in it. He discoved the Ufimtsev "Method of Edge Waves in the Physical Theory of Diffraction". It was a 40 page article and towards the end, he summarized a series of formulas derived by Scottish physicist James Clerk Maxwell 9about 100 years ago). These had been further refined by a German electromagnetic expert by the name Arnold Somerfeld. Based on the refinments that Ufimtsev proposed, Overholser wrote Echo II that was much more refined than Echo I

Ufimtsev later taught at UCLA in 1990. I did not know he worked for Lockheed at this time though.

Yes
The Russian kept eye on the US technology. But not or using it, just to keep track. Although they were allowed secretly to steal the faulty technology, they were fare most superior that even the US real technology couldnt match.
Could you imagine a powerful beam weapon, more than 20 years ago?
The Spliting of USSR is not their defeat. Proper things will happen on right time. There is still the technology higher than our imagination. The thing is they dont propogate or show off like our Americans.
good wishes.

Originally posted by plasmamorph

Could you imagine a powerful beam weapon, more than 20 years ago?
The Spliting of USSR is not their defeat. Proper things will happen on right time. There is still the technology higher than our imagination. The thing is they dont propogate or show off like our Americans.
good wishes.

I hope you dont think the US is tipping their hand when it comes to military technology. The US has a black budget that would make Russia drool right now. Believe me they only show you what they want you to see and thats not much.

[edit on 15-9-2004 by ShadowXIX]

It's well-known that flawed blueprints for the Concorde were slipped to the Soviets, resulting in the Soviet copy crashing.

Originally posted by taibunsuu
It's well-known that flawed blueprints for the Concorde were slipped to the Soviets, resulting in the Soviet copy crashing.

Really never heard of that interesting. Who slipped them plans was this alittle double agent action?

They realized that the Soviets were trying to get the Concorde details to make their own SST. They got sick of intercepting spies and when a spy tried to pick up runway tire scrapings from a Concorde landing (to learn about the tires) they replaced it with some burnt bubble gum. Then they let some plans that seemed very authentic but with serious airframe deficiencies slip into the grasp of a known spy. Whether the Soviets realized this or not, their SST broke up at the Paris airshow in '73 when performing a -1 g manuever, killing 6 crew and 8 civilians.

Originally posted by taibunsuu
It's well-known that flawed blueprints for the Concorde were slipped to the Soviets, resulting in the Soviet copy crashing.

The russian plane exceeeded its design limits trying to avoid a French Jet that went up to photograph the plane in flight. Why would the french launch a plane and fly it in the vacinity of plane doing a flight demonstration? ANyway both sides covered it up and the investigation went noware.