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I heard tha babies are born as atheist and solipsist. I want the scientific research for this!

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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 06:48 AM
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Not that I wouldn't believe it. I just want to see the research because it sounds interesting.





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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 06:54 AM
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How can a baby be born with religious beliefs? The society, parents, schools, etc. are responsible for indoctrinating or educating the kids while they grow and develop. I don't know where you heard about it,but it was probably meant as a joke



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 07:02 AM
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LOL...officially the most stupid thread ever posted.

If you dont understand that kids are indoctrinated into believing in sky fairies....damn



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 07:04 AM
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research?

wtf?



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 07:13 AM
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 07:15 AM
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Widen the question out

What if human’s lost our books, art, ability to speak – everything if we where thrown back to our very beginning and had to climb back to where we are now

At what point would we rediscover that bible god had a son called Jesus or that Allah had a profit called Mohammad?

There’s nothing in the world that would lead us to rediscover any current religions it all has to be taught to children



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by arpgme
Not that I wouldn't believe it. I just want to see the research because it sounds interesting.

You want ME to research data for your thread...? I think you got confused there for a minute, buddy. See you are supposed to present a concept, complete with sources and such, and I am supposed to read it and either comment or move along.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 07:44 AM
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At least by reading the OP - which by the way is shorter than its title - I found out that some children can be born as complete retards, and their condition is getting worse with them ageing. Normal children are born with instincts and genetic ancestral memory, and none of these has anything to do with any pros and cons of - burp! - religion. Back to your medication...



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by arpgme
Not that I wouldn't believe it. I just want to see the research because it sounds interesting.


You could possibly start from where you 'heard' this, and then all the 'researchers' of research (Wiki-philes etc) on ATS can tune in.
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 08:12 AM
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The science of the mind By Owen J. Flanagan (which I found out about via Wikipedia):


The infant sees the world as populated by objects which come in and out of view and which, therefore, from her egocentric perspective, come in and out of existence. Epistemically the infant's world is utterly solipsistic: objects exist only if they are in view. This is evidenced, according to Piaget, by the fact that children under six months do not search for objects removed from sight. For example, they will not search for a treasured rattle if it is placed under a handkerchief.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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I'm a bit rusty on the latest contemporary psychological models, so this is only an educated guess: You are talking about socalled gestalt-psychology, which generally is accepted as valid (based on experiments and observations).

Gestalt psychology says, that incoming stimuli are increasingly organized in structures, forming what we consider meaningful patterns (i.e. 'meaningful' from genetic or social perspectives as 'functional'. But that's another and longer story).

Inversely gestalt-psychology gives rise to the psychological 'filter-theory', where the 'meaningless' is sorted away.

For a small child there doesn't exist any known 'god-concept' mechanisms, neither genetically or socially (until symbols or speech become part of its perception/understanding) from where any 'god-thingies' can arise; and in any case more complex religions are outside the child's scope, as such religions necessitate some capacity for causality.

So a 'god' (or similar metaphysical phenomenon) would only include theism/atheism on exactly the same conditions as grown-ups have: Is this something externally 'real'. Nothing in their growing 'gestalts' would lead them to it.

Solipsism: Children do not live completely in isolation from the external world. When the physical (genetic) needs manifest they communicate with the external world and responds to what happens 'out there'. E.g. did I read once, that children of deaf parents don't scream much. It simply doesn't pay.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by bogomil
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Solipsism: Children do not live completely in isolation from the external world. When the physical (genetic) needs manifest they communicate with the external world and responds to what happens 'out there'. E.g. did I read once, that children of deaf parents don't scream much. It simply doesn't pay.


Not even solipsists live completely in isolation from the external world....




The infant sees the world as populated by objects which come in and out of view and which, therefore, from her egocentric perspective, come in and out of existence. Epistemically the infant's world is utterly SOLIPSISTIC: objects exist only if they are in view. This is evidenced, according to Piaget, by the fact that children under six months do not search for objects removed from sight. For example, they will not search for a treasured rattle if it is placed under a handkerchief.



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