Originally posted by ReaverTheBeliever
I'm not buying into that Belgian photo being a hoax at all. A couple of days before a documentary that is going to extensively go into one of the most famous UFO photos of all time, that photo is coincidentally "debunked." A photo that has been around for 20 years no less. If that doesn't scream fishy, I don't know what does.

I found that...curious, too. I still haven't reviewed the debunking of this photo, so I can't judge that yet. I'm a definite skeptic, most of my posts on these forums are me debunking other peoples' stuff, but I do find the timing of that suspicious. Call me skeptical of that debunking!

Originally posted by ReaverTheBeliever
This is an easy one. I'm going to trust the NASA astronaut.

Reaver, don't you see the irony here? You're trying to penetrate official cover stories and bureaucratic self-serving propaganda [an honorable goal, which you may be astonished to discover I share], and your mainstay of judgment is -- knee-jerk believing NASA's self-serving propaganda about the demigodliness of astronauts?

That's what the linked 'business deals' story from the Wall Street Journal was all about. People knee-jerk trusted Cooper's opinions -- and wound up losing literally millions of dollars in bad investments by con men who exploited Cooper's reputation and his own gullibility. Would you have given him YOUR money, too?

Ask yourself -- why hasn't ANYONE in the UFO comunity performed and published any genuine investigations of UFO stories by such famous people? Just accepting their quoted comments is apparently enough to perform their desired propagandistic task -- it certainly has worked with you -- of 'argument by celebrityhood'.

It's so much more interesting to check up on any such stories. So when you talk with a dozen other pilots from Cooper's unit in Germany, or contact the actual cameraman at Edwards AFB and other personnel who were THERE at the TIME of these events... why aren't THEIR recollections of comparable values to Cooper's?

Why, do you suppose, is it that THEIR testimony is blacked out, covered up, and ignored by the UFO promoters? Why do you let those promoters decide WHICH testimony YOU are allowed to hear?

Are you an accessory after the fact to your own duping? And can you even admit that possibility?

I watched this special and I'd say it was pretty good.

I think when it comes to the UFO phenomenon this is one of those things that you have to be really good at reading between the lines.

The simple fact that the FAA and other government documents specifically mention what to do in case you see a UFO is sort of all the proof we need. It's basically the government stating that we don't know what these things are so don't mention them.

I come to this conclusion for one simple reason. If they were secret government craft they would want the reports and all the evidence collected and analyzed to make what ever secret craft they are working on even more undetectable.

Also what I gathered from this is that there are two types of UFO's, Discs or saucers and black triangles.

Originally posted by Screwed
To the people still complaining about not getting disclosure?
You've gotten your disclosure already, you just aren't ready for it.

I think you said it right...we've had disclosure by multiple credible witnesses...the FAA, pilots, astronauts, etc...will the U.S. Government officially admit to it, probably not, but who cares...

It was a good documentary. And although I'm a firm believer in UFO's, it didn't really convince me that any sighting was extraterrestrial in origin. Were they fascinating, unbelievable sightings? Yes. Were they probably advanced technologically aircraft? Yes. But there was nothing alien about much of it. Good piece of documenting UFO's, however, and it contained very credible sources. Good show.

Originally posted by Cosmic911

It was a good documentary. And although I'm a firm believer in UFO's, it didn't really convince me that any sighting was extraterrestrial in origin. Were they fascinating, unbelievable sightings? Yes. Were they probably advanced technologically aircraft? Yes. But there was nothing alien about much of it. Good piece of documenting UFO's, however, and it contained very credible sources. Good show.

That's because even the Nazi can inscribe symbols on their attempts of saucers. It is a question where the Nazi took the idea of saucers from but they did tests on it. Their scientist invened the Nuclear, the launched the first rocket, if they have discovered some new way of electromagnetic flying with the same pace they did for atomic bombs and rockets, then it will not be surprising all these UFOs are ours.

And thus, nothing from them shows these are alien.

Originally posted by Imtor

Originally posted by Cosmic911

It was a good documentary. And although I'm a firm believer in UFO's, it didn't really convince me that any sighting was extraterrestrial in origin. Were they fascinating, unbelievable sightings? Yes. Were they probably advanced technologically aircraft? Yes. But there was nothing alien about much of it. Good piece of documenting UFO's, however, and it contained very credible sources. Good show.

That's because even the Nazi can inscribe symbols on their attempts of saucers. It is a question where the Nazi took the idea of saucers from but they did tests on it. Their scientist invened the Nuclear, the launched the first rocket, if they have discovered some new way of electromagnetic flying with the same pace they did for atomic bombs and rockets, then it will not be surprising all these UFOs are ours.

And thus, nothing from them shows these are alien.

Its true the Germans were amazing engineers....given enough time, money and resources they may have won the war. Although German chemists Otto Hahn and Fritz Strassmann concluded what would result from bombarding uranium with neutrons, it was the Americans and the British that mastered fission-based weapons in the New Mexico desert. The Germans were largely unsuccessful with their nuclear program because of lack of support by Germany. Had things been different we all might be speaking German today!

I am a new member and just come across this post. I saw the show, and was waiting for the re-run so I could tape it, but to my knowledge it never aired again. I went to the History Channel website to try and find a video of the show to buy, but they didn't have it. I came to the conclusion that the government must have stepped in and banned it from being aired again. Do you know where I can find a video of this program, and what the title was? It was the best evidence of there being UFOs that I have ever seen!
Thanks,
sled735

Thanks for the link. S&F for the OP and S for the above. Nice doc, a cut or three above most. I'm a bit skeptical of the claim that that photo was hoaxed, but unfortunately it's tainted and therefore useless as evidence.