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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by reptiliannogmar
I have shut out public civil and government authority and embraced The Constitution and my Amendment Rights in a way I never could have done as an American Citizen.


So you have embraced the Constitution and it's Amendment Rights? And you aren't paying any taxes?

Taxation is in the Constitution.. you don't pay taxes.

Congress.. per the Constitution that you have embraced, can, as a legal document (the one you are using to "protect yourself" from TPTB) can tax your ass.

So my question is.. how the # have you embraced the constitution??
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by Ariele
reply to post by CaptChaos
 


is this truth?
www.youtube.com...



You know that video opened my eyes to something.
The earliest beginnings of law I found in the Codex of Hammurabi. (Many think this is actually Ham of the Bible)
When you read it and I have just glanced over it and not studied it, still you leave with a strong vision of a bustling civilization in the metals or mining business, and they are laying down a few different sets of laws for each of at least 3 and perhaps more distinctly different class or breed or perhaps even species of being all existing here at the same time.
Reading the Hammurabi Codex you differently get the vivid impression the first people on this planet were "off planet raiders" specifically 2 brothers and a sister, along with their priests and their slaves. And "priest" at that time might have been their version of a scientist.
Not to drift too far from your reply...the Maritime Laws might have been already very developed and brought here from another water planet. It seems as easy to vision these laws being used to bring goods and items from off spaceships and used to cart metals and other resources away. Maybe they exported some of the slaves that were already here, took humans from earth to other places where they after time regained freedom and returned in spaceships. Our ancestors coming home.

RE thread, afraid guy is a whack job, soon to be on the terrorist hit list sad too since I think basically he's just a disillusioned guy down on his luck. You see, we need our illusions.


Apparently that is all that keeps us from losing it like this poor soul has.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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reply to post by caladonea
 


I make my money by counting cards and run an advantage player blackjack site I also invest in players that play by the book.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 02:12 PM
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Not surprised a tax cheat makes his money by cheating his fellow man, but hey a fool and his Money are soon departed right?

Sounds like the same beliefs of all those big banks...



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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I am no tax cheat. You would sto[ paying taxes in a new yorkminute if you could. And so what I know how to take money from the casinos you would do that same damn thing if you could which you can. It is not that hard to do . All you need is to be able to memorize basic strategy leanr to count down a deck in 30 seconds using the high low system and have about a 10 k bankroll.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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No, I actually wouldn't, Ive had opportunities to work "under" the table.

I still believe in my country, if not the government the people, I believe in public education, I believe in SSI and Disability.

On many social issues I lean Democrat, and understand if I want these things I have to contribute.

IF I want roads that won't destroy my car, I need to pay my Taxes, there are reasonable things that taxes pay for.

You just make the rest of us who want change in the Government look Bat-poop crazy, your the reason we get marginalized as conspiracy nuts.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 05:18 PM
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 07:08 PM
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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reply to post by reptiliannogmar
 


so your some sort of coward that has money. grats man to bad you are one of them and not one of us.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 07:58 PM
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Interesting I kind of doubted it as if it was a myth.
But from what you said you have succeeded.
I might have to Message you some time about it
because I was fascinated in it for a while but then thought
it was just a wild goose chase.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 08:31 PM
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 08:44 PM
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You, like all "sovereign citizens" in the US are full of it. There is a reason you people all claim this sovereignty within the borders of the US.

Go to Somalia and do it. Let us know how you get by without all the wonderful tax funded things you enjoy here in the US while weaseling out of chipping in your fair share for them.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by reptiliannogmar
reply to post by benrl
 


I am no tax cheat. You would sto[ paying taxes in a new yorkminute if you could. And so what I know how to take money from the casinos you would do that same damn thing if you could which you can. It is not that hard to do . All you need is to be able to memorize basic strategy leanr to count down a deck in 30 seconds using the high low system and have about a 10 k bankroll.


Now it is all clear.
You are a "sovereign citizen" and somehow managed to figure out something many others are in jail for.
You also have a fool proof casino system.
Sure.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 09:47 PM
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I am well aware of what common law versus corporate is. And also what abuses of law are. All the bills passed are not legal, some are crimes. Anything that makes someone stand under another that is not immediate harm to the other, and justifiable is a crime, there are tons of laws like that. For example, if you don't want to smoke tobacco or any substance, you can forbid it in your house, but its 100% a crime to try and forbid anyone else to. For example, your eyesore does not have the right to prohibit someone else from using their property as they see fit. You have the right to expect no one to rob from you, kill you, rape you, but you are not a dictator to anyone.

Consitutions only steal from us some of our Infinite Unalieable rights and water them down to compromise with the government. They don't define our rights or limit them.

Its time for people to really understand. There is no Law. Its a manmade construction. Control is evil inherant evil. Any law is a compromise with freedom, so they have to be very basic, about protection of people from severe harm only.
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by Kitilani

Originally posted by reptiliannogmar
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I am no tax cheat. You would sto[ paying taxes in a new yorkminute if you could. And so what I know how to take money from the casinos you would do that same damn thing if you could which you can. It is not that hard to do . All you need is to be able to memorize basic strategy leanr to count down a deck in 30 seconds using the high low system and have about a 10 k bankroll.


Now it is all clear.
You are a "sovereign citizen" and somehow managed to figure out something many others are in jail for.
You also have a fool proof casino system.
Sure.


If you have questions about the Card counting system just ask in a p.m.

If you have questions about becoming a sovereign citizen sped the years researching it like I did. I have not the time or the patience to walk everybody through every step of the process. It would take another decade. Time that I certainly got just not willing to give. Do your research about sovereignty and precedences. Hire a lawyer if you have to.... I will say one thing this thread needs to be shut the truck down.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by reptiliannogmar
If you have questions about the Card counting system just ask in a p.m.


Between this and your private message, I get the feeling you want people to have questions you can pretend to have the answers to all while not willing to give them up.

I have none. I am not remotely interested in your black jack card counting system any further than the fact that it perfectly highlights the integrity of this thread and your posts. Who would have thunk it would be that one guy that finally got a fool proof card counting system and is so rich, he is on ATS telling other people how he does not pay taxes.
Sure.


If you have questions about becoming a sovereign citizen sped the years researching it like I did.


I do not. You assume a lot. You assume what research I have and have not done and then project these questions onto me that I never asked.


I have not the time or the patience to walk everybody through every step of the process.


Who asked you to?


It would take another decade. Time that I certainly got just not willing to give. Do your research about sovereignty and precedences. Hire a lawyer if you have to.... I will say one thing this thread needs to be shut the truck down.


I am not calling you out because I failed to research. It is my research that leads me to call you out. Stop assuming. I have no questions for you and your argument is entirely constructed of ideas you made up. Sounds about right.



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 03:06 AM
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OP, don't worry, all these other people are mad and jealous of you that they're still paying taxes and you don't have to. They're just squirming in their bellies hoping you get arrested because it would put a smug little grin on their faces and make them feel so warm and fuzzy inside.

Well I applaud you and believe that in a well taught society laws would not be needed for the absurdity of performing "bad" actions would be so blatantly obvious. Nobody would require laws or a government to keep them in line.



posted on Aug, 22 2011 @ 04:35 AM
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you have no right to travel on any roadway since you dont pay taxes for the upkeep


Actually, Federal Individual Income Tax goes straight to the private Federal Reserve Bank for our Debt Service (read interest) on our Currency. At the beginning of the Reagan Administration the Grace Commission was appointed to study all the departments of the Federal Government and report to Reagan on waste and this is what they reported.

Grace Commission Report an interesting read by the way.

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With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government.


The money for roads comes through indirect taxes, in this case usually fuel tax, something which a sovereign citizen would actually pay. As far as all the other things you mentioned. You shouldn't really put too much faith in Wikipedia as I have found it to be wrong many times. Indeed the page on the Council of Nicaea contradicts itself. It's also a bad idea to trust the first link that comes up on a subject as it is almost always Wiki, something they had to pay for, one way or the other.

Most of the respondents to this thread are just reacting, which doesn't require thought, just a reflex. Good thread S+F from me anyway. Ignore the jealous, envious and scared among us. You sir are a true patriot.





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