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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776

Originally posted by Unvarnished
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If there is anything socialism promises, its the equality of every human being.
That is the problem. All people are created equal, but not all put out an equal amount of effort. If I work 6 days a week 50-70 hours a week to get the things I want, why should I be forced to donate part of my very life to support those who WILL NOT do the same? If I work all day, and you play video games all day, why should you benefit from my labor?

Last I looked we are doing this already. WTH is welfare? I don't pay then they send a "mobster" to force me to (I have no choice in paying or not, but you can bet your A$$ When I need it they give me ten thousand excuses why I DON'T Qualify, Really it's because I am white and not a minority) pay at gunpoint for some fat Drug addict to sit on their A$$ in the ghetto and take money out of my children's mouths!!!!!They do it already anyway, it isn't socialism that's facism, because they give to these losers because they "were oppressed" Oppressed my big fat Effing A!!! It's facism because they are trying to opress the 99% of whites that don't really have money or power!

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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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Preaching to the choir my dear. But carry on, others might just listen to you.




posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Except fascism is socialism. It just employs some nationalistic elements and corporate interests, but Karl Marx embraced Hegelianism and the Reds employed the false paradigm of communism vs fascism to denote left/right. Fascism is not and never was "far right" but was always just another element of "leftism".

Let's clear up the nationalism bit eh?


National Bolshevism is a political movement that claims to combine elements of nationalism and Bolshevism.[1] It is often anti-capitalist in tone, and sympathetic towards certain nationalist forms of communism and socialism. Nevertheless, National Bolshevism is separate and distinct from National Communism.
Today, Russia is considered to be the center of National Bolshevism, and almost all of the National Bolshevik parties and organizations in the world are connected to it. Amongst the leading practitioners and theorists of National Bolshevism are Aleksandr Dugin and Eduard Limonov, who leads the unregistered and banned National Bolshevik Party (NBP) in Russia.[2] Influenced heavily by the idea of geopolitics, current Russian National Bolshevik movements propose a merger between Russia, Europe and parts of Asia, in a union to be known as Eurasia.
The Franco-Belgian Parti Communautaire National-Européen shares National Bolshevism's desire for the creation of a united Europe, as well as many of the NBP's economic ideas. French political figure Christian Bouchet has also been influenced by the idea.



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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by SprocketUK
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There has been a systematic destruction of most social programs in Europe, and its true that the costs have spiralled...When you look into it a little more closely you can see why.
Since the mid 80s governments have been closing the state run programs and replacing them with privately funded ones, every arm of the NHS is now beholden in some form, to private enterprise, which means that the costs to the state rise (to increase profitability) while the conditions for the workers and the service to the users get worse.
That's just one example, but it goes right across the board, until we have something like 75p in every pound spent ending up in the hands of private companies who inevitably dodge their taxes.

There is a sneaky, hidden Friedmanite cabal trying to stop all government social care so that the very richest can pay even less tax, and if you can't see it, then I'm either utterly useless at explaining it or you choose not to see it.


[Yes I do see it, and the same is occurring here. your last sentence is beginning to hint at the truth, but is only a small part of the story. I'll try to simplify ( as if it's possible) what I have learned over the last 35 years of study.
Personal interpretation us I see it:
First, lets just say the world as a whole has been terribly deceived for a long time. A handful of very wealthy European families conspired to create a global economic system that allowed them to skim the cream off almost every financial transaction. In order to expand their reach, they "recruited" other wealthy families in the west. All had access to the finest educations and produced bankers, economist, educators and politicians etc, who were strategically placed in positions of power and influence.All sworn to the ultimate goal of global economic dominance. These we call the global elite.A milt-tiered organizational structure of very bright scholars was recruited and installed with most operating on a need-to-know only basis. They began to infiltrate governments, in order to effect policy which guaranteed their ability to operate however it suited them. When dealing with overtly corrupt government officials, it was easy. However, when a somewhat educated populace began to question the policies, a more sophisticated approach.became necessary.
The method of recruiting and training political activists, to "stir up the masses" in order to push a specified agenda, made it look like the "idea" arose from popular consent, when in fact it was long planned by the BIG Boys.

TPTB have a hand in each political pie--Left and Right. Here's how it works. Have the left push for massive social spending. make it "look" absolutely essential, regardless of the facts. Over-commit your budget and demand higher taxes
Have the right suckered into war, and if there's not one, TPTB will find a way to create one. Allow monopolistic formation of corps, and keep Wall St. banks churning investment dollars between themselves all in the name of "free enterprise" [which it really is not"

Here's the catch. Governments can't morally tax working citizens enough to pay for all the social programs the left has instituted. (by direction of (TPTB)
Neither can it tax enough to pay for the war's that TPTB got us into. No nation has ever had the money to fight it's wars.

But glory be. Guess who is always lurking in the shadows, (ALWAYS) willing to step in and loan us the money to save the day.???
Our good friends in the global Banking Cartel's- World Bank-IMF_the FED,EU Central Banks etc.

Now why would they do that? Interest ,INterest, INTEREST ,and MORE INTEREST. So if we couldn't afford our budget, how can we afford the interest. We can't, but no problem, the global elite has a solution for that also.
Send in the IMF to show us how to implement various (austerity) measures. Cut social programs to the bone (which TPTB helped you start) cut size of government (employee's)(that the TPTB told us we needed) Oust those pesky fiscal conservatives, and tax the hell out of those who still work. Expected outcome; riots, rebellion and revolt. Solution-marshal law, police state;
Mission complete. Global economic domination for the elite, and economic slavery for the rest.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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I really don't care what it is it stinks to high heaven. As they say.
It sucks and there needs to be something done about it.
I have already decided as illegal as it is I am never ever sending one red cent to the government ever again. I will go to prison I really don't care! I am keeping every single dime of my income, I will never work at an on the books job ever again!



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by ldyserenity
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I really don't care what it is it stinks to high heaven. As they say.
It sucks and there needs to be something done about it.
I have already decided as illegal as it is I am never ever sending one red cent to the government ever again. I will go to prison I really don't care! I am keeping every single dime of my income, I will never work at an on the books job ever again!



I hear you and understand your position. I agree, why should either the wealthy elite or the State get our hard earned dollars...



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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K... you already pay taxes... only your government uses your tax money for other things. In the case of the US.. it's spying, creating war, intimidating smaller governments into taking american contracts, it's by creating a bureaucratic maze... Again, if your government managed it's money better... (i'm going to re-word here) you could pay the same amount of taxes as you do now, only they would provide you with more services.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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Welfare should help those who momentarily CANNOT provide for themselves, not those who DONT WANT.
And how separate those who cannot from those who dont want? Easily. There should be a condition that anyone on longterm welfare will have to work in public services for part time, and if he refuses then he will get no welfare. People who want to work will accept it.
People on welfare should also never have more total income than those who work, for any small wage.
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by NWOPrimate
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K... you already pay taxes... only your government uses your tax money for other things. In the case of the US.. it's spying, creating war, intimidating smaller governments into taking american contracts, it's by creating a bureaucratic maze... Again, if your government managed it's money better... (i'm going to re-word here) you could pay the same amount of taxes as you do now, only they would provide you with more services.


That's true too. They take our money and siphon it to losers sitting in ghettoes playing PS3 while my children will go without even food, or send it back to the dbags who have enough money anyway. It's disgusting. Till our government stops coddling lowlifes on both ends we should all just stop "Contributing". Seriously!
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by NWOPrimate
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you could pay the same amount of taxes as you do now, only they would provide you with more services.
Better yet, they could cut our taxes. That would be better.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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Communism isn't really that bad, and neither is Socialism, nor Marxism. In fact, Capitalism isn't bad either. All very good concepts and there's nothing wrong with following or believing in any of those systems.

The problem is Government. Governments throughout history have completely wrecked these ideas, especially Communism since 20 million+ have died because of it. Can the Communist system ever work? It's possible, but not likely.

I consider myself a Capitalist anything. I don't see any problems with it once so ever.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Except fascism is socialism.


Except that it isn't. You might as well say christians are muslims or americans are mexican. Let's just change the definitions of things so that they fit our argument.

Hey accepting ignorance is denying ignorance.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by NWOPrimate
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K... you already pay taxes... only your government uses your tax money for other things. In the case of the US.. it's spying, creating war, intimidating smaller governments into taking american contracts, it's by creating a bureaucratic maze... Again, if your government managed it's money better... (i'm going to re-word here) you could pay the same amount of taxes as you do now, only they would provide you with more services.



Well, there is a difference between genuine government and socialistic government. Sure I already pay taxes. Why should I approve socialised health care just because government does other things besides welfare? Also, why should I approve of giving money to the UN to redistribute to the rest of the world just because our government also spends money on the military? In fact, why should I approve of sending our military to Libya just because we fought the nazis in WWII?
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Except fascism is socialism.


Except that it isn't. You might as well say christians are muslims or americans are mexican. Let's just change the definitions of things so that they fit our argument.

Hey accepting ignorance is denying ignorance.



Yes, it is!!!!!! Forget the denying ignorance slogan please when spouting disinformation like that. You bought into the leftist lie that nazism was far right. It isn't and never was.


Even the person who wrote entries on wikipedia suggesting that Nazism is far right ideology states that it was based on a strong central government, or Statism basically. The idea I suppose is that Statism can be either right or left. But Statism is Statism, that is Authoritarian Totalitarian govt. So ultimately, whatever you call it, it is the Supreme State propped up by Karl Marx, the author of the Communist Manifesto and "Father of Communism".

The Nazis advocated a strong, central government under the Führer, for defending Germany and the Volksdeutsche (ethnic Germans),


en.wikipedia.org...


Hans J. Eysenck was an outspoken opponent of what he perceived as the authoritarian abuses of the left and right, and accordingly he believed that, with this T axis, he had found the link between nazism and communism: according to Eysenck's research findings, members of both ideologies were tough-minded. Central to Eysenck's thesis was the claim that tender-minded ideologies were democratic and friendly to human freedoms, while tough-minded ideologies were aggressive and authoritarian.
Although he was a longstanding opponent of nazism, having left Nazi Germany to live in Britain, Eysenck was not shy in attacking communism, noting the anti-Semitic prejudices of the Russian communist government, the luxurious lifestyles of the USSR's leaders despite their talk about equality and the poverty of their people, and the Orwellian "doublethink" of East Germany's naming itself the German Democratic Republic despite being "one of the most undemocratic regimes in the world today."[7] Accordingly, he carried out studies on nazism and communist groups, finding members of both groups to be more dominant, and more aggressive, than control groups.[6]


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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Riposte
No, it is not compassionate to steal from someone, skim off 80% and then hand it out to poor people.


What are you talking about? I'm Canadian. That means one of the most heavily taxed people here and my taxes aren't 30%.


First you are wrong about the amount of tax:
The heaviest taxed is Denmark and Sweden at about 50% of the GDP. Canada is some where around 32 to 33% and the USA is 27.3%. link

What every one always conveniently forgets to mention is the OTHER taxes US citizens pay. I added up all the overt taxes I paid in 1993 and it was 65.4% of my income. I was in the middle class bracket at the time.

Federal, state, and local revenues totaled nearly $5.2 trillion in 2007. Federal revenue made up almost half of that total, states collected about 30 percent, and local governments brought in 20 percent

The GDP for the USA in 2007 was $13,811,200 million so for 2007 the total US tax was 37.7% of the GDP.

Second you are completely wrong about the meaning of the statement.

If I give some one in need a dollar directly he get the entire dollar.

What happens to the money US citizen pay to the government???





PRESIDENT'S PRIVATE SECTOR SURVEY ON COST CONTROL



A REPORT TO THE PRESIDENT



.....Resistance to additional income taxes would be even more widespread if people were aware that:

* One-third of all their taxes is consumed by waste and inefficiency in the Federal Government as we identified in our survey.

* Another one-third of all their taxes escapes collection from others as the underground economy blossoms in direct proportion to tax increases and places even more pressure on law abiding taxpayers, promoting still more underground economy-a vicious cycle that must be broken.

* With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government.....
www.uhuh.com...


Another words NONE of our money goes to pay for social programs it goes to pay interest on the DEBT!


....over 40%, is owed to the Federal Reserve, the central bank of the United States, and to other government accounts. The remaining 60% of the Debt is privately held by individuals, corporations, states, and foreign governments. As of November 2007, Japan ($580 billion), China ($390 billon) and the United Kingdom ($320 bilion) are the biggest foreign holders of our Debt.... www.brillig.com...


The "Government Accounts" are the moneys stolen by the federal government from Social Security and the Rail Road Pension fund and replaced with government IOUs (Bonds)


WHAT IT MEANS



By replacing PRIVATE welfare from private individuals and groups with PUBLIC WELFARE the Banksters get to rake in the interest on trillions of dollars. THAT is why the Banksters absolutely LOVE Socialism. They get to collect INTEREST on all the Bank Script that is printed to fund all the projects socialists vote in. BANK SCRIPT that cost them absolutely NOTHING! They and their corporate buddies also rake in all the wealth from the diluting of the money supply with new money. [Wars are the other big winner fro the Bankers and Corporations]


New money does not appear magically in equal percentages in all people's bank accounts or under their mattresses. Money spreads unevenly, and this process has varying effects on individuals, depending on whether they receive early or late access to the new money.



...One person does not benefit at the expense of another unless there has been fraud. The "pie of social value" has grown because there are two winners. The conceptual problem begins with a fixed social pie.

Mises argued that the losses of the late-coming losers are the source of income for the early arrival winners. This inescapably identifies the monetary system as a zero-sum game.... www.lewrockwell.com...


Unfortunately the scam is too sophisticated and convoluted for most people to understand. I am still trying to disentangle it myself.

Let me show how the scam works in a different way



One of the major principles taught to Quality Engineers is the Pareto Principle - The 80-20 Rule - because it holds true for so many aspects of life. In 1906 an Italian economist, Vilfredo Pareto, discovered that 20% of the Italian population owned 80% of the nation’s wealth. Further studies revealed that The Pareto Principle, as it became known, affects us all in every aspect of life.

Does the Pareto Principle still hold true in the USA???

I normally treat Alex Jones as if he had the plague but this article by "Michael??" that he stole from TheEconomicCollapseBlog.com answers my above question. - (Some one really did their homework.)

Will The Banksters And The Corpocracy Eventually Own It All? 29 Statistics About Extreme Income Inequality In America That Will Blow Your Mind


...Over the past several decades, those with huge amounts of money and power have been busy rigging the game so that the rest of the money and power slowly but surely funnels into their hands.... Today, the big banks, the big corporations and the federal government are all in bed with one another and it is average Americans that always lose out.....

[THIS IS THE SIGNIFICANT STATISTIC: cv]
#1 In the United States today, the richest one percent of all Americans have a greater net worth than the bottom 90 percent combined
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WHOA, Wait a Second 1% of the population controls over 90% of the wealth ???? What ever happen to the natural distribution of 20% controlling 80% 0f the wealth???



Given that the objective of the scam is to move as much of the wealth of the USA from the people into the hands of the World Power Mongers, it looks like they have done a bang up job of it!


Those pretty green slips of paper in your wallet commonly known as U.S. dollars are Federal Reserve Notes. Bank scrip. The Fed can print as much of it as it wants or needs to. With this in mind, consider that fully eighty percent (80%) of U.S. Treasuries (U.S. government debt) sold in 2009 were bought by the Fed because there were no other willing buyers. factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com...



When the Bernanke doubled the US money supply it was done by banks LENDING the new money into the system. That is how "new money" is created in a fiat money system.

Of course those in the know were not about to get "sheared" along with the sheeple so when Nixon took the USA off the gold standard they made sure their wages kept up with inflation unlike the poor smucks in the factories and offices. In 1976 A typical American CEO earned 36 times as much as the average worker. By 2008 the average CEO pay increased to 369 times that of the average worker.

From the beginning of 1964 ($54 billion) to the end of 2010 the bankers have made $1961.967 billion dollars in fiat currency! That is the amount they increased the money supply

That is a factor of 36! The minimum wage in 1964 was $1.15. Is the minimum wage now $41.78???? Or is it about one tenth of that? ($6.55) To add insult to injury the "progressive tax takes a much larger chunk out of my vastly diminished wage.


WAR, Social Programs and a huge government absorbing something like 25% of the labor force (Federal, state & local) has cause the US debt to spiral to dizzying heights. "Socialism" by diverting resources into the government instead of into wealth creation and also by putting major road block in front of small business creation has keep the debt ever increasing instead of allowing it to be paid in full.

On Jan. 8, 1835, all the big political names in Washington gathered to celebrate what President Andrew Jackson had just accomplished. A senator rose to make the big announcement: "Gentlemen ... the national debt ... is PAID."

It is Now "statistically impossible for the United States to pay its obligations"



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Yes, it is!!!!!! Forget the denying ignorance slogan please when spouting disinformation like that. You bought into the leftist lie that nazism was far right. It isn't and never was.


No, you bought into the rightist lie that nazism was far left. This is were we go back back and forth saying "yes it is" and "no it isn't". While governments keep doing what they have always done.

I say we go with what the ideals of each form of government are as their definition and not what leaders have done in their names since these have been known to be less than truthful.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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Cheezus, how old are you?

The gvt doesnt "want" more money because "the poor people deserve is"....fact is that the poor people who are lacking employment, health insurance etc... AS A WHOLE are damaging to the society/economy.

A economy can not thrive and bloom if, say, 25% of people are ***ss poor and homeless. The poor people DO INDEED cost the society money....


The SOCIALIST in the US GOVERNMENT is the reason for the problem in the first place!!!!

Corporations are telling the US government that they need MORE foreign technical workers because AMERICANS are not qualified to do the job???


Dumbing Down America
by Dr. Samuel Blumenfeld



I am often asked to name those educators responsible for the... decline of literacy in America....

After twenty-five years of research, I can state with complete confidence that the prime mover in all of teis was none other than John Dewey who is usually characterized as the father of progressive education. Yet the change of the teaching of reading is probably Dewey's greatest contribution to the tranformation of American education from an academically oriented process to a social one.

Dewey's philosophy had evolved from Hegelian idealism to socialist materialism, and the purpose of the school was to show how education could be changed to produce little socialists and collectivists instead of little capitalists and individualists. It was expected that these little socialists, when they became voting adults, would dutifully change the American economic system into a socialist one.

In order to do so he analyzed the traditional curriculum that sustained the capitalist, individualistic system and found what he believed was the sustaining linchpin -- that is, the key element that held the entire system together: high literacy. To Dewey, the greatest obstacle to socialism was the private mind that seeks knowledge in order to exercise its own private judgment and intellectual authority. High literacy gave the individual the means to seek knowledge independently. It gave individuals the means to stand on their own two feet and think for themselves. This was detrimental to the "social spirit" needed to bring about a collectivist society. Dewey wrote in Democracy and Education, published in 1916..... www.ordination.org...


Socialism is all about making good little collectivist sheeple who would not dream of challenging the government's rule.

THAT is the REAL goal behind all the feel good humanitarian garbage used as a front by the socialist/progressive/marxists.

The Urge to Save Humanity is Almost Always Only a False-Face for the Urge to Rule It. - H.L. Mencken



THAT explains the real face of socialism.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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You are right, our system should be defined as Corporatism. True Capitalism is not really occurring in America. Although, I do think some forms of socialism can be acceptable in our society. The distinction should be about where that money comes from. We haven't even considered having tariff's pay for our social programs, or even creating a private framework for food stamp assistance and the like. Certainly, we could figure this stuff out if we just had honest people not trying to push their own agendas on us. I would definitely pay for private unemployment insurance out of my check every week, to guarantee that if I ever fell on my butt I would have some sort of help. The trick in merging Capitalism and Socialism is where should the money come from. If taxes were levied on incoming flights to the US, and imports to the US, or business that move workers overseas, then the people are not really taxed to support social programs. Of course, if prosperity really was more leveled out and the middle class returned to our country then there would be significantly less drain on the average person.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Yes, it is!!!!!! Forget the denying ignorance slogan please when spouting disinformation like that. You bought into the leftist lie that nazism was far right. It isn't and never was.


No, you bought into the rightist lie that nazism was far left. This is were we go back back and forth saying "yes it is" and "no it isn't". While governments keep doing what they have always done.

I say we go with what the ideals of each form of government are as their definition and not what leaders have done in their names since these have been known to be less than truthful.



Ok let's just cut through all the bs. Do you want bigger government and more Statist control of your life and more restrictions, less freedom, and less concern for your individual needs? If so, you are a Statist. If not you are for more individual freedoms, limited govt, more personal liberty and creativity, and a more natural life. (dont confuse natural living with environmentalism, because environmentalism has been hijacked by Statists and communists who believe we all should be subject to the demands of the collective over the individual and that means more regulation.
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 04:46 PM
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Well, why don't you just tell the Federal Reserve and Ben Bernanke you love giving them your hard earned money to pay for govt overspending so that the Fed can enjoy the Intl Banking spoils of redistributive income.!!!!




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